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2006-01-08, 17:57 | Link #303 | |
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And still, Victory was a great series. We see that just because you're a main character, it doesn't mean you live. Even if you're high on the importance chain, one strike of bad luck or one mistake and you go bye-bye in one (or sometimes more) of several ways.
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2006-01-08, 20:48 | Link #304 | |
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I think many people were expecting for Kira to take on the "mentor-type" role for Shinn and/or be in command from the bridge of a ship or base. It would have made more sense if something like this happened. We get to see Kira battle in Freedom one last time in the first half of the series, then he would sacrafice his MS for Shinn and then take on the role as mentor. |
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2006-01-08, 20:59 | Link #305 | |
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and demongod86 there's one thing we agree on meer/mia(she's hot) shouldn't have died specially considering it was a waste of time. |
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2006-01-09, 00:46 | Link #306 |
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We have different tastes as to what we want to watch and enjoy, can we leave it at that? (I didn't enjoy FMA very much because they killed my only fav character half way through the series)
How about we adjust the topic of the thread to "personal preferences aside, what other reasons are there that fans consider GSD a failure?" |
2006-01-09, 00:53 | Link #307 |
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Mia should not have died because I wanted to see her and Lacus walk together to the angel bath. INTO the angel bath. And then they'd both get dunked by Cagalli.
Also, where did people get the phrase "jumping the shark?" What do sharks have to do with it? |
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It wasn't because that it was unpopular that made its mark. I haven't watched any of the UC shows only AU shows, and I could say by the people who are great fans of these series that they loved it because of something that its creator did, that is, trying to sell it to the fans who were so used to the super robot sagas way back when, by giving them what they wanted (fresh new ideas) in a way that best suited them (introduce worlds or the characters or the stories in such a way that was something that they could relate to, not a whole new world of jargon). It took several years for it to attain what it is today, and it was not just an overnight sensation. It took years for the creator to get to the fans, and so, the fans actually have a say in which series should be or is very popular, and so that is also why in order to retain their interest in this series, they make new shows, make new video games, make movies out of it, make a zillion dollar empire out of the many products it helped create... Fans nowadays always want something new and fresh, wherein some of these fresh ideas are just rehashes of the old ideas and transformed into something that makes it not distinguishable from the old idea, but the old idea is still there. Or really fresh new ideas, that's why we have manga by the tons, new products, what have you. The fans' tastes are not stagnant, it is continually evolving. And the fans aren't always limited to this certain bracket; they come in all colors of the fandom spectrum. So what they like doesn't also necessarily mean that it's what the other guys on the other spectrum like. That is also why there are fans of certain characters and there are those who hate them. We really can't please everybody, because we have different likes and dislikes. What the fans see or feel, it is reflected on the polls. What the fans like or don't, it is seen on the ratings. Why do we have seasons for sitcoms and what have you? Do you think if the fans still hated this certain sitcom it would still have another season? We do not make something that could only please ourselves; more so if we're involved with the media, or whatever industry dealing with people factors like like or dislike. We are there because the fans like certain things, and it could make us crash if they don't like it at all. If it was indeed a failure in many ways, it was because fans saw it that way, and not because they're "traditional fans of Gundam". Heck, they loved Gundam for what it was, and then Fukuda decided to give them a very evil present in GSD. The truth is seen in the polls, why Amuro is still there, why Zeta is still there...if the fans deemed them not fit for fandom consumption, they wouldn't stay in those polls. And it's because they weren't failures in creating public fandom interest for the last 25 years. Could GSD hack it? If it didn't, then it is indeed a failure. Only time could tell. Quote:
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2006-01-09, 09:46 | Link #310 |
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What the fans are about is an indication already. To be able to say that it actually isn't a failure is not gauged by how well the DVDs are selling, or whatever. Some people buy the DVDs for collection's sakes, not because they actually buy it because they like it. If Kira and Lacus' popularity is just there just because they're the new faces of Gundam at the moment, chances are, they'll get shafted into lower positions once the interest for something even newer takes over. If that isn't any indication of how popularity or success is...
One ripple is all it takes, actually.
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2006-01-09, 11:28 | Link #311 |
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I guess it fits pretty well to post this here.
From Gunota. Anime! Anime! News listed their top 10 news of 2005; 6) Success of old and new Gundam - Zeta Gundam: A New Translation and SEED DESTINY
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2006-01-09, 11:55 | Link #313 | |
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I don´t know if "Anime! Anime! News" is anything to take seriously but since it´s almost only negative things in here and someone always gets irritated when people post or say something positive about Destiny... Well, I couldn´t let this go unmentioned in here... (In here being the whole Gundam section) But we know that the TV-ratings were alright, if I remember correctly they were on the middle/upper half compared with other Gundam shows and the DVD.s are selling well too. I personally don´t find SEED Destiny as an exceptional show but I still enjoyed it.
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2006-01-09, 14:44 | Link #314 | |
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2006-01-09, 17:12 | Link #315 |
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How can you tell how many people complained? By drawing one conclusion from one forum? That is statistically such a ridiculous conclusion that it's sickening. Kira and Lacus are popular because they can WIN when it comes down to it. And at the end of GSD, the protagonists did something that most other gundams could NOT do...dare I say ALL other protagonists could not do...they kept their gundams without a SCRATCH. What happened to even the mighty Wing Zero Custom? IT GOT WRECKED! And by grunts no less! SF though, made it through and proved its worth. And honestly, by now, Kira and Lacus have taken their place in the hearts of many fans. Yes, odds are, the next protagonist will be able to overshadow K x L, since he's the one airing, but CE is a HUGE financial success. Sell the character, sell the gundam, sell the action figures, sell the DVDs. Ka-CHING!
Odds are, Fukuda's going to stick around as our director. He's the new Tomino, love him or hate him. He needs to reorganize his staff, granted, but I don't think a new director will be able to do Kira and Lacus any justice. |
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And actually, the article mentions that Destiny is "even more popular than the previous work" and on the business aspect, "DVD gross sales were high." Quote:
Oh, and I should point out that GSD isn't really that bad in ratings anymore though, now that Blood+ is in that slot. After 12 eps, GSD was averaging 5.39% (compared to GS's 6.14% and FMA's 6.06%). Blood+ is averaging a 4.09%... Prime candidate for cancellation? Who knows. But it makes GSD look like a huge rating success, that's for sure. Quote:
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So nope, Strike Freedom wasn't the only one mighty enough to survive, not by a long shot.
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2006-01-09, 21:15 | Link #318 |
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There was stuff about Victory Gundam earlier, so I`m commenting on that but,
there isn`t really anything that says Tomino wanted Victory to fail, but all signs point to it. The guy hated Victory, and the fact that he made great characters just to kill them off kinda points to him wanting people to hate the show too. He even says in the Victory DVD commentary that you should not buy the Victory DVDs cause he didn`t like the way it came out. The irony of this is that you have to buy the Victory DVDs in order to see this message :P. |
2006-01-09, 22:24 | Link #320 | |
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For a while. Now they've shafted MSV and said that it was a "Forbidden Vortex". Oh Fukuda, you funny little man you ^^. |
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