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james0246 · 2013-03-19, 07:40

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james0246 · 2013-03-19, 07:52

So when presented with even a minor challenge, Madara is more than able to completely drop his dream. Oh well, the plot had to move along somehow. I expect 2 more flashback chapters then finally we will get to see Sasuke's reaction.

Luminion Lancer · 2013-03-19, 07:53

HA, would you look at that. It would seem that the Uchiha were really not a match for the Senju, despite the version that Obito told Sasuke. Also Izuna was killed by Tobirama, fancy that.

I'll say this much for the chapter: it was certainly nice to skip ahead to their adulthood and not have us sit through one last meeting between Hashirama and Madara as children. Now we can get to the meat and potatoes of this story: the foundation of Konoha.

Shay · 2013-03-19, 08:06

So basically, Madara has been a psycho since the very beginning that has rejected the chance of peace at every opportunity.

And then makes the most rediculous of demands even when he has lost...

Casshern · 2013-03-19, 08:41

I can only guess that the sharingan had already driven him batshit-crazy by that time.

Just think, not only is the sharingan inferior in power, it also drives them nuts. The elder son of the sage totally got shafted. No wonder he was pissed.

Battler-kun · 2013-03-19, 08:48

Lol so basically Madara was a weakling.

threepac3 · 2013-03-19, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Battler-kun

Lol so basically Madara was a weakling.

Or maybe it shows how strong Hashirama really was...

ronin myael · 2013-03-19, 09:06

sorry but this chapter still made me bored.

Casshern · 2013-03-19, 10:05

So much for the Uchiha killing their own brothers, running around with ems and abusing Izanagi...

james0246 · 2013-03-19, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Casshern

So much for the Uchiha killing their own brothers, running around with ems and abusing Izanagi...

It is annoying that we don't get to know where Madara's MS came from, but bear in mind this is all supposed to be a story told by Hashirama to Sasuke. Consequently, specific information about Madara or the Uchiha clan is not going to be found in this flashback simply because Hashirama never saw any of that info. Sadly, that might mean that Madara will get a mini-flashback (we also have Kakashi's mini-flashback to look forward to), otherwise it is simply not plot relevant information.

Aesthetic Shampoo · 2013-03-19, 10:30

Maybe i'm wrong but i swear we had a brief flashback where Madara was the injured one and ripped out his brothers eyes when asked if he needed help.

james0246 · 2013-03-19, 10:31

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Originally Posted by EssTEss

Maybe i'm wrong but i swear we had a brief flashback where Madara was the injured one and ripped out his brothers eyes when asked if he needed help.

That came from Itachi's Storytime Hour during the battle with Sasuke.

JustRob · 2013-03-19, 10:46

Basically all the versions of the story we heard so far were biased. Itachi made Madara seem like a monster, and Madara made himself seem more noble then he actually was.

Still, this chapter makes sense to me. I believe Madara truly wished for peace. But, just because he had that dream didn't mean the Uchiha and the Senju would stop fighting, and Madara would continue to lose more people close to him. It's understandable that he didn't have the emotional strength to ignore that.

It's nice to hear the true, unbiased version of the story.

Hisoka?? · 2013-03-19, 10:50

Seems like Madara was really quite weak. He was easily beaten by both the first and second hokages.

Hopefully he is better now with the rinnegan

james0246 · 2013-03-19, 11:01

And now for the twist, Hashirama will kill himself next chapter, but will be brought back by Tobirama.

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Izayoi · 2013-03-19, 11:38

I thought awakened Sharingan > Senju. I guess I was wrong.

JustRob · 2013-03-19, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Izayoi

I thought awakened Sharingan > Senju. I guess I was wrong.

If Madara couldn't beat Hashirama with his EMS + Kyuubi, do you really think a normal awakened Sharingan would be enough?

itachi-san314 · 2013-03-19, 12:10

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Originally Posted by james0246

And now for the twist, Hashirama will kill himself next chapter, but will be brought back by Tobirama.

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i'm actually pretty certain this is what will happen

it's tough to think who could have killed hashirama other than himself and it would show tobirama inventing edo-tensei which is very plot relevant right now

Shay · 2013-03-19, 12:33

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Originally Posted by james0246

And now for the twist, Hashirama will kill himself next chapter, but will be brought back by Tobirama.

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This.

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Originally Posted by itachi-san314

i'm actually pretty certain this is what will happen

it's tough to think who could have killed hashirama other than himself and it would show tobirama inventing edo-tensei which is very plot relevant right now

And this.

Makes total sense. Spoiler!!!! hahah j/k

Ero-Senn1n · 2013-03-19, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Hisoka??

Seems like Madara was really quite weak. He was easily beaten by both the first and second hokages.

No, he was weaker than Hashirama and that's all. Considering that Hashirama was far above anyone else it just means that the most important factor in the Senju vs Uchiha war was Hashirama's strength, that decided the outcome. Of course it's not a clearly stated fact that Tobirama was weaker, but there are clearly shown sign for that: when Hashirama raises his chakra level even his brother is scared, also Tobirama was not able to break out from the jutsu he invented while Hashirama easily did so, and of course the name "god of shinobi".

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Originally Posted by james0246

So when presented with even a minor challenge, Madara is more than able to completely drop his dream.

I would say he decided to "grow up", become an adult, which also means dropping childhood dreams. He did that because he suddenly faced the reality that neither clan would give up on their war and also that he is weaker than Hashirama. Of course when someone is the strongest man of his time and he knows that then he can decide to pursue his childhood dream with self-confidence. In Madara's case he apparently didn't have self-confidence and also his behavior was never that of a calm leader who can trust people. His personality was simply too ordinary compared to the greatness of Hashirama's.

2013-03-19, 07:40	Link #1
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	[Manga] Naruto Chapter 624 Discussion Thread Welcome to the weekly manga chapter discussion thread. This thread is created early to discuss spoilers and speculation about the upcoming chapter as well as discussion of said chapter once it has been released. As per the forums rules, please don't ask for or mention about where to download the (licensed) manga. Also remember not to post or link to any translations of the manga, since this is illegal as well. Posting a synopses or summary is fine (and welcome) but please do not discuss scans, raws, translation groups, etc. Additionally, if you are posting someone else's synopsis (or their translation of a synopsis), then please provide credit were credit is due. Remember that the manga is licensed, do not post significant parts of the chapter. This stands for pictures and direct translations. Summaries are OK, crops of pictures are OK as well if you want to illustrate your point but this is it. --- Spoilers are now released.

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Luminion Lancer Time-diver Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Location is all relative.	... HA, would you look at that. It would seem that the Uchiha were really not a match for the Senju, despite the version that Obito told Sasuke. Also Izuna was killed by Tobirama, fancy that. I'll say this much for the chapter: it was certainly nice to skip ahead to their adulthood and not have us sit through one last meeting between Hashirama and Madara as children. Now we can get to the meat and potatoes of this story: the foundation of Konoha. __________________ -When all else fails, ram them with a force of an 18-wheeler.

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ronin myael lost ronin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: in the recesses of my convoluted mind...	sorry but this chapter still made me bored. __________________ "Sometimes you wake up. Sometimes the fall kills you. And sometimes, when you fall, you fly."~ Neil Gaiman (The Sandman)

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JustRob Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	Basically all the versions of the story we heard so far were biased. Itachi made Madara seem like a monster, and Madara made himself seem more noble then he actually was. Still, this chapter makes sense to me. I believe Madara truly wished for peace. But, just because he had that dream didn't mean the Uchiha and the Senju would stop fighting, and Madara would continue to lose more people close to him. It's understandable that he didn't have the emotional strength to ignore that. It's nice to hear the true, unbiased version of the story. __________________ The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal you don't see.

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Izayoi I LOVE FLAN_CHAN Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Flan-chan Age: 21	I thought awakened Sharingan > Senju. I guess I was wrong. __________________ I love Flandre Scarlet

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james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	So when presented with even a minor challenge, Madara is more than able to completely drop his dream. Oh well, the plot had to move along somehow. I expect 2 more flashback chapters then finally we will get to see Sasuke's reaction.

2013-03-19, 08:06	Link #4
Shay Monarch Programmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Liverpool Age: 42	So basically, Madara has been a psycho since the very beginning that has rejected the chance of peace at every opportunity. And then makes the most rediculous of demands even when he has lost...

2013-03-19, 08:41	Link #5
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	I can only guess that the sharingan had already driven him batshit-crazy by that time. Just think, not only is the sharingan inferior in power, it also drives them nuts. The elder son of the sage totally got shafted. No wonder he was pissed.

2013-03-19, 08:48	Link #6
Battler-kun Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Lol so basically Madara was a weakling.

2013-03-19, 10:05	Link #9
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	So much for the Uchiha killing their own brothers, running around with ems and abusing Izanagi...

2013-03-19, 10:30	Link #11
Aesthetic Shampoo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 30	Maybe i'm wrong but i swear we had a brief flashback where Madara was the injured one and ripped out his brothers eyes when asked if he needed help.

2013-03-19, 10:50	Link #14
Hisoka?? Ultra noob Join Date: Dec 2004	Seems like Madara was really quite weak. He was easily beaten by both the first and second hokages. Hopefully he is better now with the rinnegan

2013-03-19, 11:01	Link #15
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	And now for the twist, Hashirama will kill himself next chapter, but will be brought back by Tobirama. .