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While I can understand the position Warm Mist is subscribing too that basically "it'd be cool" to see what they could do in vastly different styles and genres, I also find it hard to fault their business strategy on the whole. Even within the styles of shows they do, they seem to find lots of opportunities to let their artists experiment and try various things, and that's probably a lot more prudent then the alternative (even if it's less interesting to those who value that sort of variety over the current sort of consistency).
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2012-12-13, 07:36 | Link #1242 |
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KyoAni have categorically stated that their current staff would never do mecha or anything like it after they did Full Metal Panic: The Second Raid. KyoAni did not enjoy the difficulty involved with drawings mechs and don't want to do it again. They specialise in people and scenery. I doubt they will shift away from that anytime soon.
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Yes, I have seen many people say that Takemoto didn't want to ever do mecha again. But never once I have seen an actual source for those claims, so if you have one, kindly provide it.
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For me, Hyouka wouldn't be such a masterpiece if the animation and visuals didn't tie in with the character development. You can not only hear of, but actually see the changes in the characters over time, thanks to their expressions and body language. That's something I find only Hyouka did well amongst Kyoani shows, and I'm struggling to think of another anime by any studio that manages to do this. I don't think laid back shows deserve less animation than action packed shows. Every show, no matter what it is, deserves the full effort of the people producing it. Quote:
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Now, I'm sure the resemblance between, say, K-On! and Chuunibyou is much more than the resemblance between Chihayafuru and Crasshern Sins, both by MADHOUSE. But that's because of how Kyoani is structured. When you have the same relatively small group of people drawing only one product and adhering to one design, as opposed to freelancing and juggling between 3/4 of the season's productions, their drawing style is inevitably going to be influenced by this design. Traces of AIR and Kanon (and even Munto) can be seen in Haruhi 2006, and this goes right back to Clannad. I know that they're by the same designer, but Lucky Star and K-On! share a lot of similarities, and K-On! can have some Haruhi-ish and Key-ish touches at times. I've seen expressions very similar to Nichijou in Chuunibyou, and of course, Hyouka is not really THAT far of previous Kyoani designs. Their workforce is very constant, and thus their art can be very inbred at times. But the core designs and artstyles are different for K-On! and every production after it (except Tamako Market for obvious reasons). Quote:
They're branching out in the sense of doing less and less adapations, and more original content. And you can't really not branch out when making original shows, with the director's creative vision being ideally unrestricted. All these CMs they are very lively and seem like whoever animated them enjoying working on them, so that's another factor. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. |
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2012-12-13, 13:33 | Link #1245 | |
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However, we are not the producers. We are simply the audience.
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2012-12-13, 17:59 | Link #1246 | |
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If KyoAni wants to play it safe, that's their choice. But naturally many people aren't going to applaud that as much as they would a studio that chooses to be truly ambitious and daring. I also think that if any animation studio should have the financial flexibility to try something unconventional, it's KyoAni. Given its number of hit successes, it's hard to imagine that it couldn't afford a big risk or two.
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2012-12-13, 18:05 | Link #1247 | |
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By no means they are in a financial situation to allow a reckless production, basically like any other studios. They are pretty much hired, and their success profit goes to the production members mainly.
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Taking a risk would be KyoAni doing a show with a genre or setting that's unusual for them. Quote:
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2012-12-13, 23:48 | Link #1252 | |
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At least I'm consistent... (And here I was purposefully trying not to go there...) Edit: Honestly, though, I really don't feel that invested either way. If they do something I like, I buy it, if not, I don't. So that's my small part in influencing things as far as it goes. The production committee structure puts enough checks and balances that they probably won't ever do any production that will bankrupt them (because they wouldn't invest that much in such a risk anyway). I guess I'm just not the sort of person who worries about a studio doing productions that don't interest me.
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2012-12-14, 00:45 | Link #1253 |
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I don't really think their perception as "safe" comes from financial worries.
If they just want to play it safe, they would adapt LB! and Rewrite. They would take every moderately popular Kadokawa LN and make it into an anime. But that's not what happens. Most of their Kadokawa adaptation have been of unpopular franchises at the time of airing. Nobody ever knew that Lucky Star or K-On! existed before Kyoani adapted them. Nichijou was a bit less obscure, but still pretty overlooked. Hyouka was a 10 year-old franchise that nobody on its time cared enough for. If they come across as always doing the same, I think it has more to do with the directors wanting to do it, and the fans perceiving everything they do as "similar" as a whole just because the setting is the same. Really, are Nichijou and Hyouka similar? How about any given Key adaptation and Haruhi? I don't think so. The major similarity is the setting, and just maybe the degree of seriousness (I don't agree with this though). People over at Kyoani really seem to have fun doing the series they do, whether or not they are the same "type" of show. Takemoto chose Hyouka all by himself, because he wanted to do it. It wasn't a Kadokawa call at all. That's the reason I think Kyoani will not continue doing the "same shows" (not that I think they do that much, anyway) for much longer. They're bound to have people inside the studio with influence that want to do something else, just look at how Tamako Market started in concept. They have enough of a brand name and successes behind their back that they don't need to worry about finances, and they don't. The Hattas have done enough business already to get their studio to where it is today, giving freedom to their directors and animators is the natural thing to do. |
2012-12-14, 01:32 | Link #1254 | |
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So I'm not so sure that the trend points to them branching off in wildly different artistic directions. Rather, I'd say the trend points to them continue to work on franchises where they can add the most direct value by virtue of their particular strengths. (If anything, I'm thinking we may see Animation DO start doing their own thing more, and possibly other new studios spin-off eventually, and these other studios may pursue other directions. That way Kyoto Animation can be an incubator for both franchises and talent.) (In general, though, I agree with your comment that I don't find Kyoto Animation shows as similar as some do. To me, they're generally more different than alike.)
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2012-12-14, 02:55 | Link #1255 | |
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KyoAni already have an inhouse CGI team, if they ever did mecha again it will probably be CGI instead of hand drawn, like nearly everything else these days. |
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Ultimately, I think that a much more balanced and prudent approach is for those managing great talent to carefully consider the different opinions voiced to them on how to use that talent, to hopefully arrive at the best possible choice(s). Quote:
How many KyoAni shows could be considered Sci-Fi, for example? There's Haruhi and... that's pretty much it. And you can't tell me that Sci-Fi is a "reckless" genre to get into in the anime world right now. There's loads of sci-fi anime shows over the past year or two, and many of them have sold well.
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2012-12-14, 07:54 | Link #1257 | |
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Them don't doing many genres doesn't mean that they always do the same.
As I said, it would be very awesome if Kyoani started doing things all across the board in terms of genres and settings. But what they do now doesn't strike me as "slight variations of the same idea" like I had seen someone put it somewhere else. The only realy similarity I find between all of their shows is the school setting, and there's not much more beside that. Even the animation and art direction vary a lot between shows, like Nichijou, Hyouka and Chuunibyou. Quote:
If they always did the same, it'd be because, at a pretty major degree, their directors are content with always doing the same, and not just because Kadokawa/TBS demand them to. |
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14,458 *1 Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! [DVD+BD]: 2012/12/19
Not bad, not bad at all all things considered. They took an unknown property they were publishing, changed it around heaps and nearly sold it at the level of Kanon 2006 back from their "golden age". (Before someone jumps in, it will sell another 2-3k next week) Kyoto Animation 43459 *7 K-ON! 41038 *8 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu 40175 *9 K-ON!! 29146 12 Lucky☆Star 24808 *8 CLANNAD 24346 *6 AIR 19052 *8 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu ("New Animation") 19884 *8 CLANNAD AFTER STORY 18399 *8 Kanon 2006 14641 *3 Suzumiya Haruhi-chan to Nyoron☆Churuya-san 14458 *1 Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! *9800 *6 Hyouka (11 Volumes in total) *8917 *6 Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu *4833 *7 Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid *2765 13 Nichijou ***** *5 Sora wo Miageru Shoujo no Hitomi ni Utsuru Sekai (Munto TV) + 164,043 K-ON! Movie 134,910 The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya |
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