2011-04-16, 11:12 | Link #81 |
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Also, I don't see why it's so important for a comic to "make a serious point" for it to be in any way worthy. It's entertainment. That's not to say serious comics shouldn't exist (good example: Persepolis or Watchmen), but there's a lot to be said for silly fun. The worst thing that can happen to silly fun is for it to suddenly turn around and try to make a point about the world. For instance it would have been a huge downer if suddenly Goku started to take Performance enhancing drugs in order to better train and win against Freeza, and suddenly Bulma started telling him he was taking things too far, and he should think about Gohan, as Gohan looks up to him etc. etc.
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It's not like you're roiding up to fight a competition. You're roiding up to save the human race from alien annihilation. I think that ranks higher than sports ethics. |
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2011-04-16, 13:42 | Link #83 |
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That would be a viable arguement if it was for one of those tournaments, but fighting Freeza over the fate of the planet? Hell, anything to save the world goes. Even Batman will use a gun to save the Earth if there is no other option.
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[quote] Not really. Superman, the first superhero started in 1936 I believe. Then the first inception of modern manga was in the mid 40's. That's not very far off at all. If you want to throw the superhero genre (a.k.a. modern), then American comics go back further. But if you throw out the modern form of manga, then that goes back further too, before contact with the United States and their comics were made. [/quote Modern Manga started with Tezuka copying American Animated styles, Tezuka, as you said, started off in the 50s. Prior to that Manga as we know it did not exist. Comic books as we know it did. Quote:
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2011-04-16, 14:53 | Link #86 |
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Superman isn't used for commercials anymore because he is expensive as all get out to use. That and there is an ongoing fight over who gets to say what he is used for, hense the essentually court ordered film they just started producing.
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2011-04-16, 16:10 | Link #87 |
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Superman is just an example. I don't know of any other comic book characters shilling breakfast cereals at the moment either. Disney characters etc. do it all the time, but not comic book characters. I can only conclude they don't have quite the selling power they used to have.
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2011-04-16, 16:45 | Link #89 | |
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2011-04-16, 17:39 | Link #90 | |
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If you're going to compare Naruto/DBZ to anything, it's pulpy silver age American comics. THIS is why I'll sit down for something like DBZ/Naruto/One Piece and not comment about the silliness of the setup, while I'm more critical of American comics which try to present a serious message. |
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I grew up reading comic books superheroes like Superman, Spiderman and X-Men but only casually. Eventhough I like manga, the comic are a league of their own, and I like their art. Example of fond memories The Death of Superman where they threw in the Eradicator, Man of Steel, Superboy and Cyborg Superman.... my memory's a bit fuzzy but I think its around 1993.
Agree with Samari on the icon thing, nearly every people in the world knew who were Spiderman, Superman, and Batman are, be it young, adult or eldery. But you have to also give credit to Hollywood being one of the most effective global branding machine ever and how they work closely with the comic publishers to actually capture the characters and personalities of the figures to resemble like real people would have, which would attract audiences. You just don’t see Japan doing the same thing due to their isolationist culture tendency and language barrier. And as a person who's involved in dealings and transactions with several game companies I have to say the views that games are targeted for kids are crap. This prejudice had officially ended when the US game industry reached around US$ 6 billion back then around 2007. Corporate conglomerates investing billions of dollars to produce and furnish quality game products targeting them to mostly adults, which are the most stable market share. Right now, the game industry estimated to have a world global sales nearing US$ 60 billion, where it surpasses the comic industry (and to some extent entertainment) worldwide. |
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One example where the whole marvel universe thing got me kind of turned off was Runaways. The comic didn't really need to tie into the Marvel Universe, but it did (I'm guessing for sales) even though all the tie ins were completely unnecessary and didn't add anything to the story. For me at least, it broke my immersion in the world and took me out of the story. Quote:
For other Superman titles, I enjoyed Red Son and Secret Identitiy. Again, both stories detailed how the Supermen fit into their respective worlds, and how the world reacted. The Batman crossover in Red Son was pretty well done too. Right now, the only superhero comic I'm following is Kick-Ass 2. Regarding the whole Superhero movies thing, I thought this blog addressed an interesting issue: http://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp/blo...ic-book-sales/ Basically, even though the movies do extremely well, they're not actually bringing significant amount of new readers to the comic book series. One reason is that movie continuity is generally in it's own separate universe, and there's no easy way for a casual viewer to jump into the current comic lines and essentially 'follow up' on the movie's story direction. |
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This should be expected though. Movies do help sales of comics a little bit when the hype of the movie is around, but it will fade. This dynamic has been known for quite some time.
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Though my issue isn't even that comics should try to be more pulpy. I'm just pointing out that the current set up for the main Marvel/DC universes do limit how effectively they can tell the more mature stories they often talk about pursuing. Quote:
Though it also has the advantage of being an alternate continuity, which allowed them to end on a definate note with the set up of the world they started out with fundamentally changed. You can't do this in the regular shared universes at Marvel/DC. Just look at Civil War climatically killing of Captain America. How long did that last? A bit more than two years? Kinda hampers the whole *character dying being a big deal in universe* aspect. |
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