Nanoha Cross-over Discussion Thread

[bhl88]

btw is Sankt Kaiser (and Ingvalt) considered divine?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by bhl88

btw is Sankt Kaiser (and Ingvalt) considered divine?

They are as divine as the Go'auld to your average uncultured Joe.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by bhl88

btw is Sankt Kaiser (and Ingvalt) considered divine?

Yes. At least the Sankt Kaiser is, as she is worshiped in the church. I don't believe Ingvalt gets the same treatment though.

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Nine year old Ferret Boy means that you are limited to the cast from pre-windows games up to Perfect Cherry Blossom. And possibly Immaterial and Missing Power. Yeah, no genre savvy Sanae.

I'd be willing to move the Nanohaverse side back a few years to allow that.

Also, Yuuno won't even register in Yuuka's radar.

Why would you assume I planned on Yuuno defeating her in order to take it back?

Of course, Spellcard Duels exist explicitly so that humans can defeat powerful youkai, and even Yuuka will fight according to those rules. The danger is if a human attacks her without regard for those rules and thus forfeits their protection.

Which is why one would need to worry more for Fate and Arf than for Yuuno, because Yuuno is far more likely to try talking with the locals, learn about Spellcard Duels, and observe the rules.


Also, you seem to be of the impression that Yuuka would WANT to keep the Jewel Seed. Why would she? What need does she have of it?

[Lycodrake]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Nine year old Ferret Boy means that you are limited to the cast from pre-windows games up to Perfect Cherry Blossom. And possibly Immaterial and Missing Power. Yeah, no genre savvy Sanae. Also, Yuuno won't even register in Yuuka's radar.

Why would the timeline of Touhou have to be set specifically at that one point?

...I'm holding pack commentary on your last statement there, since I don't know Yuuka well.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Lycodrake

Why would the timeline of Touhou have to be set specifically at that one point?

A's is supposed to be set in late 2004, early 2005. Touhou was not quite big yet and only aforementioned games were released at this point, and the timeline fits.

...I'm holding pack commentary on your last statement there, since I don't know Yuuka well.

This class of youkai is not interested in the average human, and only pays attention to equally strong youkai or humans with special abilities.

Luckily, she isn't interested in boring battles, so as long as you don't attack, set up a trap, or set her flower field on fire, you should be fine.

Keyword being strong, while Yuuno have that special ability, I don't think Yuuka will find fun in challenging someone specialized in defense, unless she want to test her Dual Spark. Also she don't need to keep those seeds, what matter for her is the thrill of the duel.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Because those are the release dates of Nanoha S1, A's is supposed to be set in late 2004, early 2005. Touhou was not quite big yet and only aforementioned games were released at this point.

To be more specific, according to the timeline, the Moriya shrine arrived in Gensokyo in the autumn of 2007 in Touhouverse.

But in 2004/2005 we also had the Perfect Cherry Blossom event (early 2004) Immaterial and Missing Power (summer 2004) Imperishable Night (autumn 2004) and Phantasmagoria of Flower View (spring 2005).

And of course all events preceding that.

[Sheba]

Of course, if you want the whole package, well up to UFO or Hisotensoku, you can have the A's cast, as old as they were in A's epilogue. Me think that Sanae and Hayate could make good friends, while Yuuno hang out with Patchy and Kourin.

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by Sheba

keyword being strong

Keywords being "average human", which refer to mundane humans, not mages like Yuuno.

while Yuuno have that special ability, I don't think Yuuka will find fun in challenging someone specialized in defense, unless she want to test her Dual Spark.

As Gears of Destiny shows, there's more to Yuuno's fighting style than shields and binds.

And someone specializing in hard defenses rather than evasion would seem like a suitable novelty for Yuuka to want to test her might against.

Also she don't need to keep those seeds, what matter for her is the thrill of the duel.

Exactly. She'd use them as bait to get people to fight her, and not really for any other purpose.

...Unless she gets the idea to hand the Jewel Seed off to a minor youkai or fairie, creating a rampaging monster for her to fight.



Moving on, there are reasons to have this crossover replace the normal Original Season.

I kind of wanted to play with reader expectations by having beam-spam-galore Marisa steal Raising Heart... only to be instantly rejected, with a nasty magical shock. Because while the Black-White's powers are compatible, Raising Heart doesn't like Marisa's attitude.

Either before or after that, Reimu gets ahold of Raising Heart and tries it out. Again, the readers will expect that the Main Playable Character/Heroine will SURELY end up with the Main Heroine weapon, right?

Only Raising Heart will refuse to respond to her, because she doesn't like the miko either.

Personality is a major part of the synchronization between Master and Device, so just being ridiculously powerful (Reimu) or inclined to shooting and bombardment (Marisa) isn't enough.

On the flipside, Yuuno is the only one that Raising Heart accepted as a Guest User, despite the fact that he probably would have passed the Device around his clan mates to see if it would accept anyone as a Master.

He didn't have the powers to use it, but it approved of him personally enough to register him as a Guest.


Anyway, the rejections of Marisa and Reimu (and any other rejections) would be intended to make Yuuno so curious about what person Raising Heart would accept as a master that he asks someone in Gensokyo to help him find such a person.

Maybe Remilia manipulates his Fate so that such a meeting becomes inevitable. Maybe sorceresses like Yukari or Eirin cast a tracking spell. Maybe Suika uses her power to compact the density of "Device and Master". Maybe Yuuno accidentally makes a wish on a Jewel Seed.

Whatever it takes, his path leads him back out into mundane Japan, towards the Takamachi residence/bakery.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yes. At least the Sankt Kaiser is, as she is worshiped in the church. I don't believe Ingvalt gets the same treatment though.

So the Sankt Kaiser's clone (Vivio) has divinity of B......

Gilgamesh: ENKIDU!
Vivio: KYA!
Nanoha: Vivio!!

[rxrx]

A horrifying idea: Shin Megami Tensei cross over with Nanoha.

[Justin_Brett]

As long as it involves angels getting blown up, I'm all for it.

[rxrx]

You get to choose of course. Either side with the angels, the devils or the neutral route. You get to burst them all in full blood and gore, including the Nanoha cast. Have fun, Demi-Fiend.

[Zero Hurricane]

Originally Posted by rxrx

A horrifying idea: Shin Megami Tensei cross over with Nanoha.

What about Persona? That's a SMT sub-series anyway. Instead you summon the demon, you summon your other self

[rxrx]

Originally Posted by Zero Hurricane

What about Persona? That's a SMT sub-series anyway. Instead you summon the demon, you summon your other self

Thinking...(do NOT take this seriously)

Nanoha=White demon
Fate= Stripper with M tendencies
Hayate=Perverted freak with a whip
Yunno=Sleasy Ferret
Chrono=Poor idiot who fail despite putting hard work in what he do
Touma=Loser who can't decide whether he want revenge or not(Edited, this should be better)

Well... it will be hard face themselves no?

[Justin_Brett]

The lolicon thing's getting old, man.

[Sunder the Gold]

More seriously...

Nanoha's Shadow would be pretty much EXACTLY the one that confronts her in Battle Fantasia.

Fate's Shadow will attack her mother issues and self-esteem issues, probably taking the form of an obviously imperfect life-sized puppet doll.

Hayate's Shadow will play to all of the insecurities the girl would have felt when she was living all alone, wheelchair-bound and sick. It will claim that she doesn't really love the Wolkenritter, but only kept them around for her own selfish reasons, and accuse her of deliberately turning a blind eye to the signs of their Linker Core hunting. Later on, it might mock her blunders as a unit commander.

Yuuno's Shadow will evoke his fears of being left behind and forgotten, alone in the crowd again.

Chrono's Shadow will likely play on his fears of being a good father despite his absences from home, and on dying and leaving his wife and kids behind. Also on his fears that Fate might get into trouble and die because he can't jump into the field of battle to help her like he once could.

Touma's Shadow will evoke his fear of losing control and killing those around him, either manifesting as a total coward or as a sociopathic killer like Veyron.

[Justin_Brett]

Wait, wouldn't there be a Shadow Lily with him?

Or I guess that might not make sense if that's the flaw its picking at...

[rxrx]

Or Shadow Lily is attacking Lily for clinging onto Touma as a life support while she was the one that bring about all the crap that has happened to Touma after he met her. Add in the fact that many others die because of her and she can be accused even more.

For Touma, jab in the fact that he likes the power he has secrectly as he can seek revenge and kill with ease.

[Laith]

Originally Posted by rxrx

Demi-Fiend.

Crossover is over guys, the Demi-Fiend wins.

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

More seriously...

Nanoha's Shadow would be pretty much EXACTLY the one that confronts her in Battle Fantasia.

Can I get a resume of what happens there?

Fate's Shadow will attack her mother issues and self-esteem issues, probably taking the form of an obviously imperfect life-sized puppet doll.

So mostly what Jail did only more vicious, I am guessing?

Hayate's Shadow will play to all of the insecurities the girl would have felt when she was living all alone, wheelchair-bound and sick. It will claim that she doesn't really love the Wolkenritter, but only kept them around for her own selfish reasons, and accuse her of deliberately turning a blind eye to the signs of their Linker Core hunting. Later on, it might mock her blunders as a unit commander.

Add a line or two about not being able to save Reinforce in there and you are golden.

Yuuno's Shadow will evoke his fears of being left behind and forgotten, alone in the crowd again.

Maybe adding a little something about pulling Nanoha to the magic side of things which led to her accident? Maybe, not sure about this.

Chrono's Shadow will likely play on his fears of being a good father despite his absences from home, and on dying and leaving his wife and kids behind. Also on his fears that Fate might get into trouble and die because he can't jump into the field of battle to help her like he once could.

Add a comparison to his own father.

Touma's Shadow will evoke his fear of losing control and killing those around him, either manifesting as a total coward or as a sociopathic killer like Veyron.

Hmmm, more like his shadow showing him that he could be enjoying having all that power, or something like that.