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Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-12-05, 23:34

The song is much easier to explain than the video.

Wild Goose · 2013-12-05, 23:35

I personally find it mindboggling that the lack of a song three minutes long is apparently so important that it invalidates the rest of a series that is seven and a half hours long - or rather, four hundred seventy minutes long (470 minutes). That's 0.63% of the show, to put a statistical slant on things. (Note that I'm counting episodes 5.5 and 10.5 as part of the show because of how entertaining and useful they were, as well as the BD Extra episodes, and that the total runtime is a rough estimate - I'm using the Fermi estimate as my methodology here for my estimate. The exact numbers will be somewhere around 0.6%, plus or minus.)

I also find it curious that [mod edit: some] consider that scene to be the make-or-break part of Girls und Panzer, when the culmination of the story, the climax, the whole package coming together, is Episodes 11 and 12. [mod edit: call-out removed]

To put an analogy, this is like getting a steak dinner, and you have steak, fries and salad, but no barbeque sauce on your table; instead you're given tomato ketchup. You don't have the sauce you were expecting, but you still have the same steak, fries, and salad, and they still taste just the same.

Furthermore, this is not the only example of licensing woes in entertainment. Nearly every single birthday party worldwide sings "Happy Birthday to You", yet as this link discusses, the song itself is copyrighted by the Warner Music Group, and will only enter public domain in the US in 2030 at the earliest (assuming the rights are not extended further). Hence, American TV shows commonly avoid using this song, because of the expensive licensing fees, and choose alternatives ("For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" springs to mind), or don't depict any singing.

(Incidentally, the copyright for "Happy Birthday to You" expired in 1985 in Canada, and will expire in 2016 in the UK.)

Sentai are in a similar boat vis a vis "Katyusha", and have made their best effort in the face of a difficult situation.

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Originally Posted by ForwardUntoDawn

You know what's scarier? Having the Anglerfish song play on your computer's speakers right as the lab PI walks in to check on your project's progress. Lesson learnt: don't include that song in the music shuffle rotation while at work

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Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

The song is much easier to explain than the video.

Gee, thanks you two. Now I can't get that song outta my head! -_-

Infinite Zenith · 2013-12-05, 23:43

The video technically is safe, but being seen watching it publicly is probably about as embarrassing as performing the dance itself.

LoweGear · 2013-12-06, 07:08

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

I personally find it mindboggling that the lack of a song three minutes long is apparently so important that it invalidates the rest of a series that is seven and a half hours long - or rather, four hundred seventy minutes long (470 minutes).

It's not really a matter of proportions or numbers in this case. The Katyusha scene is regarded by many who watched GuP as THE MAGIC MOMENT, when the show forever made itself legendary. Seeing said moment be changed for English consumption, no matter the reason, thus leaves a sour taste for those who thought that way. Obviously people's mileage may vary on whether said moment made them feel that way, as is in your case, but I do understand where they come from.

Dhomochevsky · 2013-12-06, 13:24

Weird, I found that 'magic moment' to be almost unbearable and cheesy.
I was happy when that was over with and they went on with the show.

Tak · 2013-12-06, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

Weird, I found that 'magic moment' to be almost unbearable and cheesy.

Funny that. For me, the 'magic moment' of the show came about when the Maus showed up, followed by Panzerlied playing in the background.

- Tak

Ithekro · 2013-12-06, 14:33

Miho's last stand in episode 4 is what caught my attention. But it was the Katyusha scene that sealed the "you have to watch this" for me. I'm not sure if it was the song, or just the 15 Soviet tanks in formation that did it though.

Tak · 2013-12-06, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'm not sure if it was the song, or just the 15 Soviet tanks in formation that did it though.

Its both.

TRUST ME.

Though I find the scene less than surprising. Believe it or not, I was expecting them to pull something like this immediately after I heard British Grenadiers used as a theme for St. Gloriana.

Now, if they wanted to take it a notch further during that scene, I would recommend getting an actual choir

- Tak

RedShocktrooper · 2013-12-06, 17:48

I actually kinda wish they used March of the Soviet Tankists for Pravada, but you can't find the Destalinized lyrics anywhere.

Infinite Zenith · 2013-12-06, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

Weird, I found that 'magic moment' to be almost unbearable and cheesy.
I was happy when that was over with and they went on with the show.

My magic moment was when Miho began doing the Ankou dance out of the blue to motivate her teammates in episode nine. It brought to mind a special lecture I had in a military history course a few years ago about the significance of morale in battle. It was then that I realised that there was an attention to detail in Girls und Panzer that made it so much more than just an anime about Mädchen und irhe Panzer

I'm a little slow like that, with things only clicking nine episodes in

Tak · 2013-12-06, 19:29

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Originally Posted by RedShocktrooper

I actually kinda wish they used March of the Soviet Tankists for Pravada, but you can't find the Destalinized lyrics anywhere.

I doubt they care if the lyrics were destalinized or not.

They did use Erika, after all.

The problem is, how well do the lyrics represent the school (especially since its all female)? I can understand Katusha, but I am not so sure about others.

- Tak

RedShocktrooper · 2013-12-07, 03:28

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Originally Posted by Tak

I doubt they care if the lyrics were destalinized or not.

They did use Erika, after all.

The problem is, how well do the lyrics represent the school (especially since its all female)? I can understand Katusha, but I am not so sure about others.

- Tak

REALLY well. It basically translates as "Our tanks are going to kick everyone's butt, and we're going to be going with the blessing of Stalin and lead by the marshal."

It doesn't even define who the Marshal is. For the intents of the series, it could refer to Katyusha.

wavehawk · 2013-12-07, 03:48

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Originally Posted by ForwardUntoDawn

You know what's scarier? Having the Anglerfish song play on your computer's speakers

- Dammit, you just spoiled the prank I was going to play at---(garbled scuffle, gets silenced)

Kazu-kun · 2013-12-07, 06:45

I just watched the show the other day and there's something that got stuck on my head. Why didn't St. Gloriana participate in the tournament? Or if they did, which school they lost to? Can anyone tell me that?

LoweGear · 2013-12-07, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I just watched the show the other day and there's something that got stuck on my head. Why didn't St. Gloriana participate in the tournament? Or if they did, which school they lost to? Can anyone tell me that?

They lost to Kuromomine, this was mentioned when Darjeeling had tea with Katyusha.

Qikz · 2013-12-07, 08:03

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Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

Part 2 of the Chieftain's Hatch on the JagdPanzer 38t.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/p4JVBp2JOgE

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Momo is shorter than the Chieftain.

Oh, and...

1/40000 scale, so it's a foot long.

I realise this is a somewhat old post now, but thanks for linking the inside the hatch video, that was awesome and now I'm watching the others <3

Ithekro · 2013-12-07, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I just watched the show the other day and there's something that got stuck on my head. Why didn't St. Gloriana participate in the tournament? Or if they did, which school they lost to? Can anyone tell me that?

Lost to Kuromomine in the other Semifinals. Otherwise the finals would have been against St. Glorianna.

Julio C · 2013-12-07, 14:01

I just got the BD yesterday, and it looks and sounds fantastic! However, has anybody figure out how to turn off the subtitles completely or the subtitles embedded in the video now?

arkhangelsk · 2013-12-07, 21:16

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Official Senshado School Emblems

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For those who were wondering whether #9 on that sheet was supposed to be Free France, Vichy France or Canada, it seems the official position is that it is Vichy France:
http://www.modelkasten.com/modelkasten/dc/garupan2.html

(note the official "(C)GIRLS und PANZER Projekt", thus killing any small chance this is not an officially sanctioned work)

The image

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Official Emblem Stickers

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Frankly, I must say I prefer the "Canada" solution, and don't understand why the Vichy France solution was picked - if they ever have to show that team on screen, a "realistic" Vichy French team would basically have the same equipment as Maignot, a Free French team would probably have Shermans, while they can show Ram tanks if they choose Canada - for a tank show the "Canada" solution is the better choice.

Oh well...

Ithekro · 2013-12-07, 21:37

Just an odd question: Why does the pizza for Anzio have asperigus on it?

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Infinite Zenith Operation sneaky sneaks IT Support Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Hic et ubique	The video technically is safe, but being seen watching it publicly is probably about as embarrassing as performing the dance itself. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Miho's last stand in episode 4 is what caught my attention. But it was the Katyusha scene that sealed the "you have to watch this" for me. I'm not sure if it was the song, or just the 15 Soviet tanks in formation that did it though. __________________

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RedShocktrooper Charge Me! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: I'm not gone! I'm where you either use a slingshot or a gun! Age: 30	I actually kinda wish they used March of the Soviet Tankists for Pravada, but you can't find the Destalinized lyrics anywhere. __________________ Steam Quote of Win: (In response to a very cracky pairing) It's more plausible than Alicia/Heavy, at least.

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Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	I just watched the show the other day and there's something that got stuck on my head. Why didn't St. Gloriana participate in the tournament? Or if they did, which school they lost to? Can anyone tell me that? __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Just an odd question: Why does the pizza for Anzio have asperigus on it? __________________

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Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	The song is much easier to explain than the video.

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Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Weird, I found that 'magic moment' to be almost unbearable and cheesy. I was happy when that was over with and they went on with the show.

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Julio C Bury My Shell Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Santa Barbara	I just got the BD yesterday, and it looks and sounds fantastic! However, has anybody figure out how to turn off the subtitles completely or the subtitles embedded in the video now?