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Marcus H. · 2011-10-22, 22:07

No, I think you're misunderstanding that scene. Kazumi cried because Shana and Yuji survived the ordeal, and they plan on a reset, that is, Yuji goes to whichever person he chose. Of course, we know that Shana was chosen, as Yoshida was in tears upon the realization that Yuji did not come for her.

Oh you, Kristen.

Hooves · 2011-10-22, 22:08

Marcus H. I think Kristen was trying to give a joke there

Archon_Wing · 2011-10-22, 22:10

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Does this episode need to teach us everything? Let the rest of the series sort things out; besides we're just one-sixth of the entire run, let it slide. At least it's not Horizon's approach that J.C. Staff is adapting.

It doesn't, but it also doesn't need to teach us stuff we already know. And while Horizon is a show I don't care about, it managed to establish its identity, its world, and its characters and set them up for explaining later. And without the advantage of having 2 seasons of established backstory.

But I would say Horizon deserves much more leniency.

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No, I think you're misunderstanding that scene. Kazumi cried because Shana and Yuji survived the ordeal, and they plan on a reset, that is, Yuji goes to whichever person he chose. Of course, we know that Shana was chosen, as Yoshida was in tears upon the realization that Yuji did not come for her.

Now, now. Much like Yoshida herself, let's not crush those dreams.

Kristen · 2011-10-22, 22:11

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Marcus H. I think Kristen was trying to give a joke there

Not quite a joke. It's more what I want to believe happened.

And so far, it is a perfectly logical conclusion! ^^

Marcus H. · 2011-10-22, 22:14

Ok, I'll let you slide. You're quite a rarity, Kristen.

Kristen · 2011-10-22, 22:17

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Ok, I'll let you slide. You're quite a rarity, Kristen.

Through all of Season II, I was the only person on these forums that supported the Yoshida x Yuji pairing. :3

Archon_Wing · 2011-10-22, 22:18

I was reminded by a certain friend that Kazumi was the one to confess first. Hmm, I guess I shouldn't be that hateful.

Screw Yuji. Yuri ending FTW.

Hooves · 2011-10-22, 22:19

That must have been quite the battle with how much hate Yoshida had (or still has).

Dr. Casey · 2011-10-22, 22:27

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Ok, I'll let you slide. You're quite a rarity, Kristen.

Yeah, her Flame Haze name would be something like 'Ultimate Yoshida Fangirl and Master of Denying Reality.'

That interpretation of Shana II's ending is pretty hilarious. "Yay! The guy I love chose someone else over me!" Shana's quite the saint.

Hooves · 2011-10-22, 22:29

Hey, I support Kristen on the Yoshida x Yuji pairing. That means I can keep Shana for myself *looks around*

Isekaijin · 2011-10-22, 22:41

I waited patiently for this moment since I knew of it's existence.
NOT A SINGLE REGRET!! NEXT EPISODE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!

Kismet-chan · 2011-10-22, 22:46

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Screw Yuji. Yuri ending FTW.

This x 100

weaponX · 2011-10-22, 23:03

so first, we start out and yuji has disappeared for no reason. Then we see Yuji leading the bad guys with no explanation. Then finally they let out that Yuji is being possessed by a crimson lord. And now Yuji is back in town, possibly still being possessed by a crimson lord, but reminiscing around town. Really, does this make any sense to anyone?

Preview shows evil Yuji fighting Shana. I get that perhaps the bad guys would be interested in using the guy with endless power as a tool for their plans, but they REALLY need to be presenting this better. Right now, noone knows whats going on and why, and this show could use some definitive answers on where they want to go with this.

king12354 · 2011-10-22, 23:03

I didn't really see this episode as a recap, more as a buildup to what's going to happen next. But I'm still confused on why Yoshida, Eita, and Satou remembers Yuji but no one else.

HayashiTakara · 2011-10-22, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Kristen

Not quite a joke. It's more what I want to believe happened.

And so far, it is a perfectly logical conclusion! ^^

You're insane... just saying lol

andy · 2011-10-22, 23:48

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so first, we start out and yuji has disappeared for no reason. Then we see Yuji leading the bad guys with no explanation. Then finally they let out that Yuji is being possessed by a crimson lord. And now Yuji is back in town, possibly still being possessed by a crimson lord, but reminiscing around town. Really, does this make any sense to anyone?

Preview shows evil Yuji fighting Shana. I get that perhaps the bad guys would be interested in using the guy with endless power as a tool for their plans, but they REALLY need to be presenting this better. Right now, noone knows whats going on and why, and this show could use some definitive answers on where they want to go with this.

I think you need to watch back the ep cause it rather easy to see that what happens form here on out is Yuji choice and no one is using him.
At the end of the ep he says now see the future he wants even thought it going to be dangerous .

So far this season has been good even thought some fans that don't follow the novels might be confuse so far .

***relentlessflame*** · 2011-10-23, 00:13

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I didn't really see this episode as a recap, more as a buildup to what's going to happen next.

I think this is what is what was intended; it's to help the viewers "reframe" the first two seasons of content into Yuuji's perspective to help us (eventually) understand all that's going on. But I also understand some degree of frustration because people are impatient and they want the answers and action sooner rather than later. This show is clearly setting up for the long haul and taking a very careful and methodical approach to doling out the relevant information piece by piece. It's a very different approach than either the first season or the second season, but I still think it has the potential to be very powerful when it finally all comes together. I guess you just have to have faith that it's all important and is leading somewhere which, with this being the final season, I do.

Perhaps this is going to be the sort of show that would be better viewed "batched" than weekly, because I can see how this episode on its own would not be seen as very exciting, but as part of the "big picture" it should make more sense.

Nightengale · 2011-10-23, 00:38

I think what probably irks the viewers most is that the rationalisation of the motivation behind why Yuuji is doing what he's doing now.

He's not some mid-series supporting character or something where we've never got an indication behind the kind of person he was. We are pretty much exposed to much of Yuuji's feelings, growth and maturation as a person throughout S1/S2. Not entirely, but definitely most of it.

In that respect, this episode was solid because it was important to set up the most important thing the viewers needed to understand going into S3... What was Yuuji's thought process leading to him the choice of abandoning so many things important to him.

Let's put it this way. If we immediately jumped to the next episode and ignored this episode altogether... Whatever motive and reason he might have had, Yuuji would've come across as an extremely selfish asshole who has decided to leave his mother and father lonely without any memories of him whatsoever. And we wouldn't know it, because the series would had chosen to ignore this aspect of Yuuji's choice.

But with this episode, we can at least frame that Yuuji did not make the choices he did without understanding and feeling grief of the things he had to lose. His family, his less-involved friends, and also to highlight how he has chosen to move on with his life ahead towards to less-human future.

This episode wasn't perfect, because it really, only highlighted on the weight of Yuuji's decisions. The flow of it was a bit lacking, because we couldn't really see the changes from S1->S2-now in a more dynamic, "I can see how Yuuji chose to become LAST BOSS" situation. But it's not too bad either.

Now all it needs is the motivation to centralise the root of Yuuji's decision. It's really all downhills from there.

Excorsism · 2011-10-23, 01:16

Nice to know Yuuji is head over heels for Shana, woop.

Now come to me happy ending, I will destroy the author's favorite pen if he decides otherwise.

alvinkhorfire · 2011-10-23, 01:28

In my opinion, there is at least one good reason why this episode is a recap episode. It may not be stated in the anime, as obvious as it is written in the novel. So far, this episode can be said as a direct adaption form the novel and we should support that J. C. Staff has been quite faithful to the novels.

Spoiler for Possible Reason From the Novel:

It is just my opinion, though. Please correct me if I have said anything wrong.

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2011-10-22, 22:07	Link #61
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	No, I think you're misunderstanding that scene. Kazumi cried because Shana and Yuji survived the ordeal, and they plan on a reset, that is, Yuji goes to whichever person he chose. Of course, we know that Shana was chosen, as Yoshida was in tears upon the realization that Yuji did not come for her. Oh you, Kristen. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-10-22, 22:14	Link #65
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Ok, I'll let you slide. You're quite a rarity, Kristen. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-10-23, 00:38	Link #78
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	I think what probably irks the viewers most is that the rationalisation of the motivation behind why Yuuji is doing what he's doing now. He's not some mid-series supporting character or something where we've never got an indication behind the kind of person he was. We are pretty much exposed to much of Yuuji's feelings, growth and maturation as a person throughout S1/S2. Not entirely, but definitely most of it. In that respect, this episode was solid because it was important to set up the most important thing the viewers needed to understand going into S3... What was Yuuji's thought process leading to him the choice of abandoning so many things important to him. Let's put it this way. If we immediately jumped to the next episode and ignored this episode altogether... Whatever motive and reason he might have had, Yuuji would've come across as an extremely selfish asshole who has decided to leave his mother and father lonely without any memories of him whatsoever. And we wouldn't know it, because the series would had chosen to ignore this aspect of Yuuji's choice. But with this episode, we can at least frame that Yuuji did not make the choices he did without understanding and feeling grief of the things he had to lose. His family, his less-involved friends, and also to highlight how he has chosen to move on with his life ahead towards to less-human future. This episode wasn't perfect, because it really, only highlighted on the weight of Yuuji's decisions. The flow of it was a bit lacking, because we couldn't really see the changes from S1->S2-now in a more dynamic, "I can see how Yuuji chose to become LAST BOSS" situation. But it's not too bad either. Now all it needs is the motivation to centralise the root of Yuuji's decision. It's really all downhills from there. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2011-10-23, 01:16	Link #79
Excorsism Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Nice to know Yuuji is head over heels for Shana, woop. Now come to me happy ending, I will destroy the author's favorite pen if he decides otherwise. __________________

2011-10-22, 22:41	Link #71
Isekaijin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008	I waited patiently for this moment since I knew of it's existence. NOT A SINGLE REGRET!! NEXT EPISODE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!

2011-10-22, 23:03	Link #74
king12354 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I didn't really see this episode as a recap, more as a buildup to what's going to happen next. But I'm still confused on why Yoshida, Eita, and Satou remembers Yuji but no one else.

2011-10-23, 01:28	Link #80
alvinkhorfire Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	In my opinion, there is at least one good reason why this episode is a recap episode. It may not be stated in the anime, as obvious as it is written in the novel. So far, this episode can be said as a direct adaption form the novel and we should support that J. C. Staff has been quite faithful to the novels. Spoiler for Possible Reason From the Novel: This recap episode signifies that the new-charged Yuji talks and acts just like the old Yuji, as we all know from S1 and S2. Despite of unknown charges occured to him, as shown in the first 2 episodes of Season 3, he still remembers all the landmark and locations that are important to him. It is just my opinion, though. Please correct me if I have said anything wrong. __________________