Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Ryuk]

I did not expect him to blast the carrier apart with his gunsword thing, just blow up the bridge or kill everyone there. I don't think it would be unreasonable to hit it from that distance. If I'm a nitpicker, then so be it, someone has to nitpick too. I'd like more thought out and longer lasting battle scenarios, not these short skirmishes with quick dramatic closures due to unexpected events.

[RAVNEN]

Maybe Mr.Bushido was on high altitude,watching from above for Setsuna make his move.

[Ryuk]

When he's not snooping around overhearing things he's constantly out on Gundam patrol! Who knows where he was hiding.

[NoOneKnowS]

It's just natural to deploy your MA's out for back-up like what happend. (trilobite destroyed). But it's not the meisters fault for not noticing Graham and Soma out there. It was a high paced moment and their only target was the bridge. Just so happens that the A-LAWS had reinforcements hanging around in the air. And besides, those A-Heads can't do anything against the plotemy underwater. (even the gundams were like almost screwed). So their main target is the ship w/c has all those "chemical" weapons and etc...But still the way is was presented was pretty solid w/ no plotholes and etc. It's easy to come up w/ or on how was graham there and etc. It's not like he came from Mars and w/ lightspeed got to stop Setsuna from slicing the carrier down.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by NoOneKnowS

It's just natural to deploy your MA's out for back-up like what happend. (trilobite destroyed). But it's not the meisters fault for not noticing Graham and Soma out there. It was a high paced moment and their only target was the bridge. Just so happens that the A-LAWS had reinforcements hanging around in the air.

Exactly, it's natural. Therefore, the CB should have anticipated it.

[Sander RX]

It isnt like Graham would be sitting there and waiting for launch when he knew that Gundams were nearby.He was most likely waiting for them to resurface without having to waste time on "Mr.Bushido,Custom Ahead going ahead"

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by LightningZERO

Besides, I doubt 00'S GN Sword IIs are powerful enough to sink a ship. It's possible that the A-LAWS ship is equipped with GN Field too.

The whole point of Exia's(and now the 00's) swords was the fact that they were designed to neutalize GN fields. Why Setsuna couldn't of just slashed the bottom of the hull to pieces making it sink before surfacing is beyond me.

It takes the carrier, its crew and whatever weaponary it has out of the game plan making it much easier for them to mop up whatever A-LAWS MS that managed to launch, but i suppose Sumeragi is the only person in the oragnisation thats allowed to comprehend strategy and tactics.

[Ryuk]

Yes why surface at all? Seems that the aheads cannot operate under water.

[Sander RX]

Yes why surface at all? Seems that the aheads cannot operate under water.

Seeing TRILOBAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITOOOOO,I think GN-T drives ar fully capable of operating underwater.

[NoOneKnowS]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Exactly, it's natural. Therefore, the CB should have anticipated it.

Isn't it why Al is there (/though he sucks now lol). He was the back-up(/although fails hard). Tierra and Lockon might be on the way up on that moment. Just so happens the Kataron barge in the commotion. Perfect moment for an escape since Plotemy had already been pretty much screwed by the trilobite MA.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Sander RX

Seeing TRILOBAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITOOOOO,I think GN-T drives ar fully capable of operating underwater.

It doesn't matter if their GN drives can function underwater if their beam weaponary loses a great deal of its effectiveness. Lockon mentioned as much that his rifle lost a great deal of its power and range and i'm guessing beam sabre's(hello mr Bushido) take quite a hit as well.

Since 00 gundam relies on solid GN reinforced blades mostly, it has a great advantage in an underwater fight. Most likely total pwnage levels.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Originally Posted by Sander RX

It isnt like Graham would be sitting there and waiting for launch when he knew that Gundams were nearby.He was most likely waiting for them to resurface without having to waste time on "Mr.Bushido,Custom Ahead going ahead"

Maybe the writers put Graham in the exact spot where he would need to be to see a Gundam come out of the ocean. In fact I bet the writers knew ahead of time that the gundams were going to come out of the ocean and graham would intercept Setsuna before he could destroy the ship.

I'm amazed.

[Ryuk]

So are you suggesting that we are over analyzing the situation? I never thought Graham would be in cahoots with the writers.

[kakakka]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

It doesn't matter if their GN drives can function underwater if their beam weaponary loses a great deal of its effectiveness. Lockon mentioned as much that his rifle lost a great deal of its power and range and i'm guessing beam sabre's(hello mr Bushido) take quite a hit as well.

Since 00 gundam relies on solid GN reinforced blades mostly, it has a great advantage in an underwater fight. Most likely total pwnage levels.

What he means is that there's Trilobyte, A GN-T MA, which is capable of fighting underwater.

Exactly, it's natural. Therefore, the CB should have anticipated it.

Sumeragi could have. But dismissed the possibility since the time between launching an MS to intercept a charging 00 would not suffice to stop 00 from slicing the bridge. But then, there's Bushido, who came up just in time just to prove that wrong.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

The whole point of Exia's(and now the 00's) swords was the fact that they were designed to neutalize GN fields. Why Setsuna couldn't of just slashed the bottom of the hull to pieces making it sink before surfacing is beyond me.

It takes the carrier, its crew and whatever weaponary it has out of the game plan making it much easier for them to mop up whatever A-LAWS MS that managed to launch, but i suppose Sumeragi is the only person in the oragnisation thats allowed to comprehend strategy and tactics.

In order to sink the carrier underwater, Setsuna would have had to cause a great deal of damage to the hull, which would've taken him a lot of time and effort, and even then the carrier wouldn't sink immediately, it would’ve taken a long time for it to do that, which would have given the crew enough time to evacuate.
Had he managed to destroy the commanding bridge, the place where all orders are issued from, would have been gone, that would have lead to an advantage for CB, and it would only take him a single slash from the GN Sword II.

[justavisitor]

it's simple why Setsuna couldn't detect Graham

Graham turned off the engine until the very last moment...or his A-head has the same invisible ability like the one exia displays back in S1

[Sander RX]

and i'm guessing beam sabre's(hello mr Bushido) take quite a hit as well.

That factor certainly didnt stop Setsuna from Sabre-raping Shuichai uderwater in Ep.08 of S1...

[miles316]

Originally Posted by kakakka

What he means is that there's Trilobite, A GN-T MA, which is capable of fighting underwater.


Sumeragi could have. But dismissed the possibility since the time between launching an MS to intercept a charging 00 would not suffice to stop 00 from slicing the bridge. But then, there's Bushido, who came up just in time just to prove that wrong.

I doubt any one would have been able to take in to account every variable in less than two Minutes it took Sumeragi to stumble to the bridge. Her first objective would be to remove the underwater threat than to obtain air superiority. Leaving the method of destroying the enemy to the pilots and given the OO limited beam weapons attacking the ship directly would be the only way to eliminate the threat. Bushido being a expert pilot had no problem stopping the OO attack. Kate probably suggested he launch as a back up plan if the plan failed.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Sander RX

That factor certainly didnt stop Setsuna from Sabre-raping Shuichai uderwater in Ep.08 of S1...

the beam sabers are close quarter weapons which means point blank range thay would not be limited by the fluid environment underwater like a beam weapon would.

[kakakka]

I doubt any one would have been able to take in to account every variable in less than two Minutes it took Sumeragi to stumble to the bridge. Her first objective would be to remove the underwater threat than to obtain air superiority. Leaving the method of destroying the enemy to the pilots and given the OO limited beam weapons attacking the ship directly would be the only way to eliminate the threat. Bushido being a expert pilot had no problem stopping the OO attack. Kate probably suggested he launch as a back up plan if the plan failed.

Well, she's a tactician, so I pointed at her. She could have devise the plan while the Gundams are hacking/slicing the Trilobite. But, yeah, could have been the Meister's own decision. But still, I still think that they could have dismissed the idea of intervention since there will be not enough time for the enemy to respond, from ordering those MS on standby -> Launch MS-> stop 00.
I doubt anyone ordered Bushido to launch (My thoughts on this is that they were on stand-by). I doubt Katie ordered him, since even she knows that its to late to order intervention during 00s charge.