2009-03-17, 12:04 | Link #4061 | ||
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Oh well. xD Quote:
I didn't think it was all that bad, but I can at least understand why some people are frustrated.
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2009-03-17, 12:19 | Link #4062 | |
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I think one of my friends said it best when they were watching the last arc of CG, "Where did CG go?" |
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2009-03-17, 12:22 | Link #4063 | |
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Trying to justify something that can't be justified and not trying to justify anything at all?
Nope, I'd say there's a difference. Quote:
My friends were more like: "You know, Damocles is actually an awesome name for that thing... even though the epic ending was kind of predictable..."
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2009-03-17, 12:34 | Link #4064 |
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@Frosty-chan: In wait of a Gino thread, just one little thing.... Lelouch went to war for a viable reason in ep.24? Not really.
He intendedly provoked the war reoccupying Japan with force and helding the representatives of the UNF as hostages. He wanted to be wrong, to be considered a threaten to the world, sicne that was his plan to lure Schneizel out and push everyone against him. Nice to see you aknowledging significant (positive?) changes in Villetta anyway =P About Nunnaly we disagree again - also about the last arc in generall, it was not that bad, but oh well, personal tastes... - her dialogue with Lelouch in the last episode was a very nice development also for her character, not only for Lelouch: she get rid of her passivity and kicked her brother where he need to be kicked - aka, using her as an alibi for his own desires and wishes. She was the character better portrayed in the last arc, together with Lelouch, IMO. @FruitsPunchSamurai&Blade - I agree with the Vizard, it's not required that Jeremiah'd tell Anya something about ZR. For the man Jeremiah is, and aswer like "I served my master till the end. Period" ia quite a predictable answer, and Anya was never curious. hell, she has a photo of little Lelouch and never asked anyone about that... ^^; Also, I don't think Tohdoh got anything more than the fact that the new Zero is Suzaku. Unless someone provides him further details, he might even think that Suzaku acted on his initiative, and Lelouch was really evil, a vision that I think is more fitting to his own perception of both the boys. |
2009-03-17, 12:37 | Link #4065 | |
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2009-03-17, 12:41 | Link #4066 | ||
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Further, I said that Lelouch's public evil does not start until after he takes over the world. It is not until after that that he becomes the demon Emperor. Prior to that he is the Emperor of Justice, and on that pretense, he can easily be said to have been fighting for the justice of Britannia that would have been oppressed had the deal gone through. So like I said, Gino opposes the "good britannia" both times on his own ideology of what should be Britannia. Quote:
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2009-03-17, 12:51 | Link #4067 | |
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Nunally just blew up shit to become hated, her plan is missing a key base, and is fundamentally retarded. |
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2009-03-17, 12:53 | Link #4068 |
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You think it won't work also with someone as apathetic as Anya...?
I can see her getting bored with Jeremiah's speeches - he's a bit ... energetic and overdramatic, you know.. the PD with Villetta XD; - and I don't know why she would want to know that badly. But yeah, Anya is one of the biggest point unanswered in the epilogue... does she changed in the moment she get back her memories? From her apathetic look also in the orange farms, probably not, but who knows..? it's hard to tell... anyway, she's one of the few people I can se reacting with a "ah.. *shrug*" either if she's told the whole ZR in detail, or she's not told anything at all ^^; @Frost: 1) Lelouch is the founder of the system in the UNF. He did on purpose an unacceptable request and reacted with violence to the refusal of the UNF - Suzaku rushing with the Albion inside the hall is not the best tool of diplomacy - and there he started to threaten them helding the represantative hostages. He wanted the UNF to engage a war against him, and he did his best in order to accomplish that. His reasons were not valid because he, in first place, did want to look as dangerous as he could on purpose, and acted accordingly... Before that stage, his tiranny was more ambiguos, since he did something that can be considered an improvement of the older system, like cancelling nobility and freeing areas, but he also eliminated with murder all of his oppositors inside Britannia, and that's not something I will find reassuring.... XD; 2 )That's not the only reason why Nunnaly accepted to press the button of the Damocles key. Nunnaly wants to do the same thing Lelouch wants: conveying all the hate of the world on the Damocles so that the the world would have united against it. It's what she said and what Lelouch understood before geassing her in the last episode. Edit: you can't expect her to have the same level of planning of that smartass of her brother, but at least she did not do that only to punch Lelouch, as you said in your previous post. And the lame superpowahhh.. she has it from before the last arc. |
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2.) It doesn't matter if he was playing the system or not, but he had justifiable reason for his war because they were intending to treat Britannia as a minority. In fact, the system that he designed was based on representation based on population, but the diplomats refused it because Britannia would have a majority. The system was actually on Lelouch's side in that diplomacy, they turned it down. Hence, they threw out diplomacy before he did. Quote:
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2009-03-17, 13:19 | Link #4070 |
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Is this the Gino thread? Why people try to have a debate with clearly biased Gino anti fans? It is obvious what the result of this will be. Gino was not a moral character but he was not the ultimate evil with no redeeming qualities at all. For a very shallow character as people label him, you give too much attention. I am gonna have a debate with a hardcore CluClu (lol) fan about how Kalulu got more romantic scenes. Will they ever listen to me? No. Levy stop trying to prove that Gino is not the satan to Frost. No point.
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2009-03-17, 15:08 | Link #4071 |
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Boredom question of the week
If Li Xingke is supposedly equal to Lelouch in strategy why couldn't he wade through most of Schneizel's bull. Who knows maybe he could have gotten Schneizel to talk to a slide show of an oil paining instead of a video Or maybe he could have gotten some insight on Emperor Lelouch or something. IDK just throwing out there. I know the illness nerfed his godlike abilities but for someone said to equal Lelouch in strategy and Suzaku in strength. He could/should have been more of a major player than what he was.
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2009-03-17, 15:47 | Link #4072 |
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Sure thing, but it seems Xingke knew that the warpower of Schneizel is something they need to fight on par with Lelouch's Britannia and that they have no other option than ac cept Schneizel help if they want to stand a chance against Lelouch.
it's a problem they had already in the battle of Tokyo, before Karen was freed, and moerove in the ending, the BK army is not strong enough, not now that the Albion can counterbalance the Guren Seiten. anyway, I agree with you that Xingke did not show a lot of his supposed abilities out of the China arc XD; @rave: now this is a constructive advice, I'll keep that in mind XD |
2009-03-17, 16:03 | Link #4073 | |
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Lelouch vs Schniezel was very much a case of choosing what you believed to be the lesser of two evils. You would think Li wouldn't stand just stand for that. Maybe he could have had a plan to try and let them destroy each other than throw his weight around. It is kind of interesting that Li could have had the stuff to compete with Lelouch and Schniezel yet unlike them he doesn't feel like "He could do better" than the rulers around him nor did he have as much interest in changing the world. Ah why give him so much and have him do little?
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2009-03-17, 16:58 | Link #4074 | |
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Actually, Leouch's plan to fix the world through mass murdering doesn't seem that bright to me either. Also, to dissolve the status quo and the only superpower existent was likely to bring only chaos to the world. And to die after that leaving that mess to... who? Suzaku? That's even more idiotic. While a giant floating castle able to hit enemies everywhere is actually a more effective way to reach the world's order and peace with an unilateral balance of terror. Theoretically speaking, her and Schnizel plan was way more intelligent than Lelouch's plan. Morally... well, the death toll would have been enormous in both cases. Still, theoretically, her plan had an higher probability of success. So, it was perfectly acceptable. |
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2009-03-17, 17:10 | Link #4075 |
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But Schneizel's plan involved keeping Damocles in place in order to maintain peace through fear, which would deny people the ability to create their own future. It was essentially a less malevolent version of Kefka's Light of Judgment, for those of you familiar with Final Fantasy VI.
Not to mention that Lelouch wasn't simply leaving the future in Zerozaku's (and Nunnally's) hands. He left an obedience Geassed Schneizel behind as the brain trust. |
2009-03-17, 17:14 | Link #4076 | ||
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The retardation in his plan is that it is stupidly short term and that it won't work TWO MONTHS after a global war, but the manner in which it was carried out was actually effective, though entirely unneccessary. Quote:
Nunally's plan was just to get bloodied and more hated than Lelouch. She had no world reform in mind. |
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2009-03-17, 17:23 | Link #4077 | |
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I know, in fact I wrote that the order would have reached through fear. Because I do not believe in the inherently ability of human race to create their own, and peaceful future. Lelouch obviously does, I think. Still, I fear that the ending was like that because the plot required it. But from a realistic point of view, the sudden disappearance of the only power who granted (though fear) the world order would have been a disaster. As much as happened after the dissolving of the Soviet Union. Yeah, Lelouch left the future also in Nunally and Schneizel's hands. But what was the Designated Heir before they appeared? Only Sukazu, I suppose, since Lulu didn't know that Nunally was alive, so she wasn't part of the plan from the start. Uhmm... |
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2009-03-17, 19:08 | Link #4080 | |
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