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2012-10-17, 07:58 | Link #1542 |
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Did not! Did too! Obama, Romney quote each other to score points
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89G0BQ20121017 From sidelines, debate moderator Crowley becomes part of story http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89G09I20121017
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2012-10-17, 09:23 | Link #1544 | |
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No hate. I was just making a joke about the best time to push someone. Or the worst. Depends on the point of view and situation. Was not intended or meant in any way to be a slight against you personally.
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Obama "won", but only because he actually seemed competent this time. Romney turned in a solid performance however and he has surprised me in these debates with his ability to speak - although his gaffes still bother me. The more I reflect on it, the more I've come to believe that these debates have only highlighted the problem with the party system. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm getting tired of my "menu" being reduced to Pepsi and Coke. Even if these are the dominant parties, I really think the public needs more voices added to the mix. We desperately need more parties added to the debates, and more media attention needs to be given to other people on the ballot. It's not much of a democracy when your choices are so limited by money, media, and the two party system.
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2012-10-17, 09:26 | Link #1545 |
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He was talking about fixable schedules and a former female staffer who asked to be sent home in time to make dinner for her kids. It is a noble sentiment on both parts (an employee making time for their children, and an employer helping their employee), but, the context is the problem. The implication was that only women make food for their children, and that women needed to work less in order to literally go to the kitchen (this last part has even been used as a reason by employers to pay women less). It is a very 1970s mode of thought which focused on child rearing being the focus of female duties over their career, especially in a speech supposedly about equal pay in the workplace (which he never addressed beyond expressing his desire to have women in the workplace).
(In contrast, Obama emphasized the growing number of women becoming the "breadwinner" in the family, and that their lack of equal pay is a detriment to the entire family unit (whatever it may be).) This, and another instance later (where Romney said families should always try to be a man and a woman), shows Romney's outdated thinking when it comes to equality in social reform. |
2012-10-17, 09:35 | Link #1546 | ||
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I think independents are independent, and cannot be lumped together with a statement like this. Republicans, they're the ones who DO NOT like gun control. Last edited by GDB; 2012-10-17 at 12:38. |
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2012-10-17, 09:46 | Link #1547 |
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As an outsider looking in, my problem with this election, and the U.S. system right now -- is that no matter wins, is there anyone that can fix the tax code or the health system?
I'm not talking about increasing/decreasing taxation or healthcare spend. I'm talking about the underlying legislation and bureaucracy. I'm talking about value for money spent or revenue for supposed existing tax laws. I can't imagine either candidate can get through the lobby or pass such massive legislature through both houses. The problems literally have been identified now.. but you still can't fix them. |
2012-10-17, 12:09 | Link #1548 |
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There have been successful major tax code revisions before ... it required procedures like having the least obnoxious members of both parties squirreling away to produce a plan and then the entire congress has to vote on it with no modifications. I don't know if that's currently possible with the number of ideologues infesting Congress.
I'm coming to the opinion that the healthcare system is going to have to actually crash (death and destruction enough that every family "gets it") before there's enough consensus to overwhelm the lobbies that oppose solving the problem because they're getting rich with the status quo.
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2012-10-17, 12:20 | Link #1549 | |
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Democracy, as it seems, is instead going to fail when those in charge are too stupid. When voters are too retarded to know they are electing those who are killing them, they are no different from the fools in Siberian gold mines who believed Comrade Stalin was innocent and didn't know they were suffering.
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2012-10-17, 12:46 | Link #1550 | |
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2012-10-17, 12:59 | Link #1551 | |
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Democracy doesn't "work" because the rulers control people's opinions i.e. what people vote for. Democracy is just another word for fascism. People aren't really stupid. They're made stupid by mass media propaganda. Think North Korea. The same thing is going on inside the US in their own style. |
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2012-10-17, 13:33 | Link #1552 | |
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2012-10-17, 13:51 | Link #1553 | |
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2012-10-17, 15:10 | Link #1554 | ||
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You get raised in a religious environment, you have a high chance of being brainwashed from a young age. It's not Christian fundamentalist's fault that they burnt left handed women. They had no real choice because it's ingrained in their brain. Good information is always available, but the conscious choice to see what good information is and where to find good information, is not always available to people. Brainwash people to believe that adult life is about working, and it gets ingrained in their system. It takes an outside force to break people out of their systems. North Korea - people don't know what's going on because they're brainwashed and everything's censored. In other words, if the people who control society wanted people to be smart, they would feed the people good information instead of propaganda. People are vulnerable to advertisement and propaganda, which is why commercials work and why people need to get the newest and most expensive iPhone and iPad even though they don't need it. A stupid population is easy to control. Keep the people stupid = keep the people from rising up. America. North Korea. |
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2012-10-17, 15:14 | Link #1555 | |
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Americans are much worst since they have a choice and they choose to be ignorant.
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2012-10-17, 15:18 | Link #1556 | |
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An ignorant population is easy to control. Of course, it's just as easy to blame others for their ignorance, which is stupid. Ignorant people don't know they're ignorant, so how can you blame ignorant people for being ignorant that they're ignorant? It takes being pointed out that they're ignorant that they can even have a chance of breaking out and seeing things from another perspective. It's not a choice. They're blindly stuck. |
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2012-10-17, 15:22 | Link #1557 | |
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The case has been made that those who are ignorant now are choosing to stay that way. As in, they're choosing to be close-minded, vs. actually educating themselves and participating in the process. |
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2012-10-17, 15:38 | Link #1558 | |
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Mind The Binder
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2012-10-17, 15:59 | Link #1559 |
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Just to add another topic on Romney, the XL Pipeline:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...eal-all-along/ (warning: browsing the foxnews website is like reading news from North Korea - it doesn't connect to any reality that lines up with data. articles like the link are far and few between. when one solitary source tells you its the only one telling the truth - that's an alarm sign of a cult) The pipeline wouldn't actually have helped oil production in any significant way, only profit for a few pockets (mostly Canadian), what few jobs it meant were temporary, and it would wreck farms and property owners from Texas to Canada didn't figure in at all. In reality, a large percentage of the opposition was from 'small r' Republicans along the route who owned those farms and properties.
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2012-10-17, 16:04 | Link #1560 | |
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