(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[Ged]

Originally Posted by cors8

Didn't the author give the measurements for each of the girls? I remember there was a difference in the BWH for outer and inner.

Yeah he indeed did... It was at some of the "extra pages" after the actual chapter... don't remember whitch one tho...

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Um, I think I would remember this since I'm a perv and such information would be relevant to me

Well, HayashiTakara I believe that it has been mentioned in the R+V guidebook, and the part about body measurements of most of the girls in Tsukune's harem, was even posted here ...

I even managed to find the post in question for you, the link to it is http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=10403

If you look under the spoiler tag you will see that the BWH measurements for Inner and Outer Moka are different.

[tyranuus]

Ah so I wasn't going mad and it has been mentioned somewhere...good to know! Its almost depressing we've gone from discussing geneology, plot points, possibly psychological differences....to differences between boob size ¬_¬ lol

Ah well, Moka as a character is very interesting so I can live with it... as long as Tsukune ends up 'getting the girl' and this manga doesnt turn out to have dissapointing end with no conclusive ending, which would suck! I like the girls, but I'd rather Tsukune ends up with Moka and the others end up happy with someone else, call me a sap but I'm rooting for the couple in love to actually make it heh!

Something tells me we need translated material to debate, stat!

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by tyranuus

Ah so I wasn't going mad and it has been mentioned somewhere...good to know! Its almost depressing we've gone from discussing geneology, plot points, possibly psychological differences....to differences between boob size ¬_¬ lol

Ah well, Moka as a character is very interesting so I can live with it... as long as Tsukune ends up 'getting the girl' and this manga doesnt turn out to have dissapointing end with no conclusive ending, which would suck! I like the girls, but I'd rather Tsukune ends up with Moka and the others end up happy with someone else, call me a sap but I'm rooting for the couple in love to actually make it heh!

Something tells me we need translated material to debate, stat!

Well, the topics seem to frequently change on this board so you're probably going to get used to it sooner or later tyranuus.

About the ending, well so far things are looking good so let's hope for the best.

[tyranuus]

lol yeah I suppose I should be used to it! Still good excuse to change the topic!
Don't get me wrong, I love the female form as much as the next guy but Im in this one for the story heh
(and to pass the time waiting for more Spice and Wolf material hehe)

What can I say, I like vampires and similar mythos, monster stuff, romances, action and comedy. In that sense this is a pretty perfect series for me

[FriedRice84]

Originally Posted by tyranuus

Ah so I wasn't going mad and it has been mentioned somewhere...good to know! Its almost depressing we've gone from discussing geneology, plot points, possibly psychological differences....to differences between boob size ¬_¬ lol

Ah well, Moka as a character is very interesting so I can live with it... as long as Tsukune ends up 'getting the girl' and this manga doesnt turn out to have dissapointing end with no conclusive ending, which would suck! I like the girls, but I'd rather Tsukune ends up with Moka and the others end up happy with someone else, call me a sap but I'm rooting for the couple in love to actually make it heh!

Something tells me we need translated material to debate, stat!

LOL...yeah, that happens a LOT here. The topics here then to change rather quickly to something completely unrelated to the current discussion.

To be fair to Omote, Ura-chan isn't that much "bigger." Japanese bra measurements are radically different from US or Euro measurements. IRL, the difference probably isn't noticeable with clothing on. It'll be a little different without clothing as we saw on Fong Fong's private jet. Ura-chan is slightly larger than Omote, but not by much.

[HayashiTakara]

It's a 3 centimeter difference, if you can honestly tell the difference than I dunno, lol

[tyranuus]

Oh now come on, thats FAR too easy to give a perverted answer to!

*must not take bait!*

[FriedRice84]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

It's a 3 centimeter difference, if you can honestly tell the difference than I dunno, lol

You forgot about the cup size, man! Since the measurements are Japanese, going from a C to a D isn't much of a difference unlike in US measurements.

But, to get back on topic, the chapter is being edited by the FH crew as of a few days ago. The scanlations should be out soon...I hope.

[tyranuus]

Hell, 3cm can make a lot of difference in the right places,our hands are only so large!

On the scanlation, good news, hopefully it'll be here by the weekend/early next week.

[Magin]

Remember, boob size difference in Japanese IS NOT as dramatic as it is in the US. Hence why really, only the hair color and eyes change between the two

anyways, my two cents based on the little tidbits we've picked up, specifically the rosario:

Spoiler for theory based on 29:

As we've noticed, it seems that the rosario doesn't suppress youkai power... but perhaps instead seals memories. And really, this makes a lot of sense. After all, how many anime/manga have you seen in which unlocked memories= power boost? Perhaps the rosario sealed away the dark parts of Inner's past... which leads to this odd theory: only because of the pride and whatnot do vampires seem so terrible... but maybe if raised in an environment like regular humans are, they only thing that really remains (outside of the enhance physical strength and speed) is the need to drink blood? I've seen a few examples of this. So maybe the reason why Outer is so deredere + 95% similar to a human is because only the dark memories she has of the past are what allow her to be the dark vampire, and in specific, Inner?

as for Tsukune... well, I think that what's finally going to allow him to cross the line in terms of power is Round 2 vs. Miyabi. After all, Miyabi was able to stop Karua, and Inner was barely able to hold her own against her sister. However, both Tsukune and Moka have gone through a ton of development since then... and methinks that Vampire Tsukune + Inner= only Daddy Starbucks (who I'm beginning to slowly see as Final Boss) can match them... or whoever else final boss will be (after all, it took Inner and Tsukune to take out Hokuto, and he was Final Boss of Antithesis)

as for Moka... as much as I look forward to the merged personalities and hooking up with Tsukune, I also fear it... because when all the above does happen, it'll mean we're at the end of the manga. I'm not ready for this to end!

[kenjiharima]

Speaking of centimeters reminded me of Kurumu still being proud of her being the BIGGEST amongst the girls even to an teen Yukari. Love that part.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Magin

Remember, boob size difference in Japanese IS NOT as dramatic as it is in the US. Hence why really, only the hair color and eyes change between the two

anyways, my two cents based on the little tidbits we've picked up, specifically the rosario:

Spoiler for theory based on 29:

As we've noticed, it seems that the rosario doesn't suppress youkai power... but perhaps instead seals memories. And really, this makes a lot of sense. After all, how many anime/manga have you seen in which unlocked memories= power boost? Perhaps the rosario sealed away the dark parts of Inner's past... which leads to this odd theory: only because of the pride and whatnot do vampires seem so terrible... but maybe if raised in an environment like regular humans are, they only thing that really remains (outside of the enhance physical strength and speed) is the need to drink blood? I've seen a few examples of this. So maybe the reason why Outer is so deredere + 95% similar to a human is because only the dark memories she has of the past are what allow her to be the dark vampire, and in specific, Inner?

as for Tsukune... well, I think that what's finally going to allow him to cross the line in terms of power is Round 2 vs. Miyabi. After all, Miyabi was able to stop Karua, and Inner was barely able to hold her own against her sister. However, both Tsukune and Moka have gone through a ton of development since then... and methinks that Vampire Tsukune + Inner= only Daddy Starbucks (who I'm beginning to slowly see as Final Boss) can match them... or whoever else final boss will be (after all, it took Inner and Tsukune to take out Hokuto, and he was Final Boss of Antithesis)

as for Moka... as much as I look forward to the merged personalities and hooking up with Tsukune, I also fear it... because when all the above does happen, it'll mean we're at the end of the manga. I'm not ready for this to end!

Well Magin ...

Spoiler for Response to you're theory - chapter 29 spoilers:

You're theory sounds interesting, but there still a few point's that you should consider. First of all if the Rosario seals only the memories of the past then what exactly happens when Tsukune releases the seal ... it would mean that Moka regains the memories that have been stored in the Rosario - gains a power up in the process and ... wastes it by having a effective emission of youkai energy during which Inner Moka awakens.

I'm certain that the Rosario is sealing some memories, like you said Magin the darker memories from her childhood, but I don't think Tsukune removing the Rosario is making Moka remember them. In my opinion it's something that Tsukune ... doesn't have access too, which might suggest that it's a secondary function of the Rosario apart from sealing Inner Moka. I might be mistaken that if the Rosario didn't restrict Moka's power's then shouldn't she avoid loosing such a huge amount of youki whenever her "seal" is being released by Tsukune ?

That's why I think we should see In what context the information about Moka's seal was given, since so far it's making me wonder why Moka has been sealed in the first place.

Regarding Tsukune ... well it might be possible that he is going to snap during his second match with Miyabi. Well it's certainly true that both Moka and Tsukune have developed further after the Snow Women village arc. I think that most of it is thanks to the training sessions they started to have and who are benefiting to both of them. Though I don't think that Tsukune is ready to face a vampire on his own yet, but with the vampires joining the fry I think we might see more of Tsukune's vampire abilities ... since as I'm sure most of you will agree with me that, Tsukune's vampire abilities have been surely put into the background for quite some time now.

[tyranuus]

Hehe, theres one hell of a lot of theories on whats going to happen next now, because we've had so many various hints of whats going to happen recently; Fairy Tail, Moka's older sister, the seal breaking, possible entry of the mum and dad...there's a lot likely to happen in the near future, so hopefully the next few chapters will give some interesting story development, rather than veering off into filler for a month or two (although I'd live if that filler was Moka and Tsukune getting closer ).

Before all this kicks off though, I think we really need to wait and find out what's going to happen with the seal, we know O.Moka hasn't been 'deleted' for example, it's just currently she is the inner personality, before anything else Im interested to see what happens there, are they going to fix the seal, will the seal be broken, are the personalities going to merge because the seal cannot be fixed, are we going to learn more about the dark masters etc. Not to mention the exact function of the rosary is still a bit of a mystery. It's obviously a lot more complex than the limiters we've seen used by other characters, but what does it seal and what is it's exact purpose, is it just a more complex, powerful limiter, or is there more to it than that....same with Tsukune's holy lock, what's going to happen with that? I mean much as we say combined Moka = end of story, its possible that wouldn't happen, there may be a fair period of development arc with this new Moka before the end, same as Tsukune's vampiric side transformation thing could have been quick...well it's not exactly turned out that way has it? It may actually be a case of we get complete Moka, think the romance and everything is all over, then everything hits the fan so they have to put it on back burner for a while (well...to the point it's not official, and because of this the other girls...well, still don't care and are still fighting over him)...plenty of outcomes and way things could happen.

Lots to do and think about right now, much as I love this talk of final showdown, Daddy Starbucks and development of Tsukunes abilities, I think theres quite a bit of development and story left to tell, judging by all the little subplots floating around right now. I mean they've only relatively recently introduced Kahlua, and we haven't seen the older sister in the flesh yet, so I think there may be some time to go before we see Daddy Starbucks and perhaps 'Mummy Costa' in the flesh.

Not to mention, around this theres stuff like the actual school itself, I mean they're in year 2 now, they're on the way to year 3, will they make it through and graduate inside the confines of the story, whats the headmaster/exorcist planning, and obviously there is the family reveal, which I'd be surprised if it didnt happen at some point, especialy after we know his cousin is a little nosy heh

What can I say, with all the spoilers floating around, Im looking forward to reading CH29 and seeing it for myself, seems to be a lot of debate over some things in it, so it'll good to be able to read/interpret it ourselves, I'd imagine CH30 raws must be due in 2-3 weeks now as well hehe, hopefully speedy translation on those

[Tri-ring]

One more spoiler before we see the translation;

Spoiler for Concerning MOM:

P163
During the conversation between Toho Fuhai and Moka before examining the Rosario, Moka states that her mother disappeared when she was young one day, "Destroying all pictures and diary that would show who she was, leaving only the Rosario to her.

I wonder what this means?

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by tyranuus

Hehe, theres one hell of a lot of theories on whats going to happen next now, because we've had so many various hints of whats going to happen recently; Fairy Tail, Moka's older sister, the seal breaking, possible entry of the mum and dad...there's a lot likely to happen in the near future, so hopefully the next few chapters will give some interesting story development, rather than veering off into filler for a month or two (although I'd live if that filler was Moka and Tsukune getting closer ).

Before all this kicks off though, I think we really need to wait and find out what's going to happen with the seal, we know O.Moka hasn't been 'deleted' for example, it's just currently she is the inner personality, before anything else Im interested to see what happens there, are they going to fix the seal, will the seal be broken, are the personalities going to merge because the seal cannot be fixed, are we going to learn more about the dark masters etc. Not to mention the exact function of the rosary is still a bit of a mystery. It's obviously a lot more complex than the limiters we've seen used by other characters, but what does it seal and what is it's exact purpose, is it just a more complex, powerful limiter, or is there more to it than that....same with Tsukune's holy lock, what's going to happen with that? I mean much as we say combined Moka = end of story, its possible that wouldn't happen, there may be a fair period of development arc with this new Moka before the end, same as Tsukune's vampiric side transformation thing could have been quick...well it's not exactly turned out that way has it? It may actually be a case of we get complete Moka, think the romance and everything is all over, then everything hits the fan so they have to put it on back burner for a while (well...to the point it's not official, and because of this the other girls...well, still don't care and are still fighting over him)...plenty of outcomes and way things could happen.

Lots to do and think about right now, much as I love this talk of final showdown, Daddy Starbucks and development of Tsukunes abilities, I think theres quite a bit of development and story left to tell, judging by all the little subplots floating around right now. I mean they've only relatively recently introduced Kahlua, and we haven't seen the older sister in the flesh yet, so I think there may be some time to go before we see Daddy Starbucks and perhaps 'Mummy Costa' in the flesh.

Not to mention, around this theres stuff like the actual school itself, I mean they're in year 2 now, they're on the way to year 3, will they make it through and graduate inside the confines of the story, whats the headmaster/exorcist planning, and obviously there is the family reveal, which I'd be surprised if it didnt happen at some point, especialy after we know his cousin is a little nosy heh

You're right tyranuus there is lot of stuff left to be resolved. Though as you have mentioned tyranuus the fist thing that is probably going to be repaired but it largely depends on ...

Spoiler for Chapter 29, predictions about future events:

... on what exactly Tsukune , Mizore and Tohou Fuhai are going to see in Moka's memory that was sealed inside the Rosario. I think that whatever happened there ... it's going to be a important factor in further developments regarding the seal Moka is wearing.

Another thing that is an important factor in the future developments is Fairy Tale. I wouldn't be surprised if they interfere with the repairing of Moka's seal by attacking the Wong family mansion.

Simply speaking there is a lot of potential plot elements that might happen, or need to be resolved quickly for the next chapter to become a "filler" chapter.

I think that the next chapter is going to be mostly about the events that lead to Moka's mother disappearance ... and in my opinion the reason for that, was a conflict between Moka and the Eldest sister ... at least that's is my prediction based on what was said and mentioned so far.

Originally Posted by Tri-ring

One more spoiler before we see the translation;

Spoiler for Concerning MOM:

P163
During the conversation between Toho Fuhai and Moka before examining the Rosario, Moka states that her mother disappeared when she was young one day, "Destroying all pictures and diary that would show who she was, leaving only the Rosario to her.

I wonder what this means?

Spoiler for Spoiler's about Moka's Mom:

Well I think the answer's to you're question Tri-ring is inside the memory in which Tsukune, Mizore and Tohou Fuhai are. At least I think that the reason why Moka can't remember anything about her mother's disappearance is because her memory about the events that caused Moka's mom to do this are sealed inside the Rosario.

As I mentioned above I think what caused Moka's mom to do this is a conflict between Moka and the Eldest Sister ... at least that's the impression I got so far ... but, we will probably learn what was the reason of Moka's mother decision to disappear from her daughter's life soon.

[Dark Mage]

How about this weird theory which shouldnt be possible but anyways, I was thinking maybe Moka's mother doesn't even exist? Maybe Moka is the mother? Hold on that didnt come out right, I mean maybe Moka is the wife of Daddy Starbucks? I mean she has looked for her mother for a while, hasnt she? And still couldnt find her, maybe its coz the mother didnt even exist in the first place?

[Tri-ring]

OR MOM could be sealed(hiding) within the Rosario.
Remember the Rosario was created by our good friend the principle of Yokai Gakuen.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Tri-ring

OR MOM could be sealed(hiding) within the Rosario.
Remember the Rosario was created by our good friend the principle of Yokai Gakuen.

Hm ... well at the very least this would made things a little too much ... creepy, at the very least ... at least to me.

Well, personally I think that we still don't know enough about the physical relation between Outer Moka and her mother might be caused by them using the same Rosario, but in my opinion we still know too little to come to a probable answer on this subject.

[Waven]

Originally Posted by Dark Mage

How about this weird theory which shouldnt be possible but anyways, I was thinking maybe Moka's mother doesn't even exist? Maybe Moka is the mother? Hold on that didnt come out right, I mean maybe Moka is the wife of Daddy Starbucks? I mean she has looked for her mother for a while, hasnt she? And still couldnt find her, maybe its coz the mother didnt even exist in the first place?

you are right... it is weird ... she has to have a mother somehow, that is if the author doesn't pull a " magically created" cheese on us

Originally Posted by Tri-ring

OR MOM could be sealed(hiding) within the Rosario.
Remember the Rosario was created by our good friend the principle of Yokai Gakuen.

that sounds more plausible to me, especially since the timing of the mother's disappearance and the appearance of the rosario at the same point seems to be too constructed to be just coincidence. Her mother looking like outer is another evidence as it has been stated before. Still I wouldn't go as far as to say Outer is actually Inner's mother per se but a part of her personality or something along the line.