2010-05-15, 07:59 | Link #9941 | |
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Edit: I just noticed something if we think of Beatrice as Shannon we get connections. Virgilia is Beato's teacher. Kumaswa is Shannon's mentor, and is like a mother figure as well. Ronove is Beato's buttler, but he sometimes acts kind an older wiser figure. Genji is a buttler, and Shannon looks up to him and listens to him. The Virgilia one makes more sense, but I wonder if we can find people to click at least a little like that with Beato for Gaap, Zepar and Furfur. |
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2010-05-15, 12:39 | Link #9942 | |
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2010-05-15, 13:34 | Link #9944 |
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Is there any other aspect of Zepar/Furfur, besides they talk about love, and how funiture can become human.
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2010-05-15, 13:44 | Link #9945 |
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Since when? The only time we see them is in fantasy scenes. And Shannon and Kanon aren't around when they fight in episode 4. That and Kanon has nothing to do with Jessica's fist fighting with brass knuckles.
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2010-05-15, 15:09 | Link #9946 |
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2010-05-15, 16:23 | Link #9948 |
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If this is true though, and actions of fantasy characters match their real counterparts, then Rosa would've had to have been in on several of the hidden agendas at one point or another, at least from Episode 4 and on. She would've assisted Goldsmith in capturing everyone except the cousins, Gohda and Kumaswa (who is also very dubious, considering Virgillia helped him as well). She would've possibly been the person who fought George and though unlikely, killed him. On the other hand, she would've been someone who helped moved the corpses from the first twilight in Episode 5, which makes sense, since she's one of them.
It can fit, espcially if you consider it's very likely the fantasy scene for the first twilight of Episode 4 doesn't actually represent anybody being killed. I'm just a little dubious though. Some of Gaap's mannerisms and actions during the Episodes don't quite fit Rosa all that well. |
2010-05-15, 17:00 | Link #9951 | |
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The adults are shown to not be the proper people to discover the gold. It has to be someone who would be fair and kind with it, which is why I think an ideal person to find it before Battler would be someone like Shannon or Jessica. |
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As far as I can see, magical scenes do indeed reflect who's doing what -- but they cloud it all in metaphor, and only the end result matches, but that doesn't mean the end result was even described happening in the magical scene. In particular Ep4 starts making a lot more sense if you imagine that it's not Kinzo who enters the dining hall pompously, but his written will. Notice how Kinzo's speech is referred to as incoherent in Ep5 when Krauss tells everyone to 'stay where you are!'. But Kinzo's monologues as we see them are eloquent and extremely long... as if written. Consider also the unusual scene a bit later when he verbally squishes the poor rabbits right there and then. They're... well, furniture -- not deserving to even be the object of his wrath, certainly not someone who could ever match up to him and his expectations for a head of Ushiromiya family, what's the point or pleasure to talk to them like that? The obvious explanation is that it has been part of the written will, and rabbits were just the closest characters on hand to listen to it. As I have mentioned before, if Kinzo's will actually exists and says what Kinzo says in this scene, the entire family is screwed. They get no inheritance period, unless Kinzo is alive and the transfer of headship occurs while he is alive. So they concoct a complicated story to take advantage of the last loophole Kinzo left them -- that is, transfer headship to a deserving grandchild of his, while Kinzo is 'still alive'. Then someone takes advantage of it and makes sure to murder everyone to match.
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2010-05-15, 17:03 | Link #9953 | |
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I think this is only plausible if the letter from Beatrice the Golden isn't connected to the fake death plot, though.
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2010-05-15, 17:09 | Link #9954 | |
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Also, once Kanon is "dead", he is "everywhere" so he could be the culprit of any murder after that. Also regarding the red truth " All of the survivors have alibis! Let us include the dead as well! " Beato says that in red, but it doesn't mean that we have seen or heard the alibi for Kumasawa or any of the others right? It just means that proof exists to prove where Kumasawa was at the time of the crime and the existence of that proof is proven with the red.
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2010-05-15, 17:28 | Link #9955 | |
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2010-05-15, 18:31 | Link #9958 |
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He didn't even need to be wounded as Battler never clearly saw the wound (he only saw a lot of blood and a stake next to him covered in red). Red paint as a substitute for blood would suffice... I don't think anyone there would've suspected that it could be paint in that situation, especially not with Kinzo's burnt and staked body in the same room.
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2010-05-15, 20:46 | Link #9959 | |
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For instance, in ep2 Rosa confirms the alibi of Shannon and Genji, and by association her own, when she says she met with Kinzo and he vouched for them. Since we know Kinzo's dead, this obviously never happened as Rosa said, so her claim that Genji and Shannon (or herself) are above suspicion is false. It's an explanation, but it may not be a real one. Granted, some alibis are trustworthy. If we believe Battler's perspective, for instance, there's not much Maria can do in ep4 because her alibi is being under the detective's observation for much of the game. That alibi, by virtue of Battler's trustworthiness (...maybe), is "safe." An alibi between characters who have no reason to lie to cover for each other is also possible. Consider the First Twilight in ep3; what reason do the adults have to lie about everyone being at the conference all night? Their alibi really can only fail if you buy that all the adults were involved. While not impossible, it's certainly unlikely. |
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2010-05-15, 21:55 | Link #9960 |
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Well, if we're on this allegorical train of thought here (with the furniture actually representing the people on the island), then
who do the goat heads represent? The maximum number of people on the island has already been confirmed. Thus, the goat heads must represent weapons or traps or something. I've thought that the Seven Sisters of Purgatory were the Seven Stakes (duh!) and the Siesta Sisters represented the firearms on the island. But where do the Goat Heads come in on Rokkenjima? Especially with them ripping Battler apart limb from limb in Episode 2. (Although Battler was really, really drunk when this happened. I guess the modus operandi can be disregarded, but it's still a thought) Edit: I'm starting to believe that the goat heads represent "nameless" characters (as in one of the siblings with a mask on, or something). The method of attack would have to be something like a knife or fists (since they are generic murder weapons), or something that's really overwhelming and can make multiple attacks like a whip. You know, since whenever a goat head is seen, there's a BUNCH of them. Once again, Rosa and Maria's death is never really elaborated on. Nor is Battler's. So the possibility exists that they don't even exist at all. Even in George and Shannon's case, although there were Goat Heads there, they weren't killed by them. Last edited by DaBackpack; 2010-05-15 at 22:01. Reason: Forgetting my standpoint. Duuur |
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