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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2012-03-08, 23:03 | Link #801 | |
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2012-03-08, 23:12 | Link #802 |
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but Minato soul was sealed in the jutsu not in naruto that was his chakra. this was from naruto.wiki "Before he died he sealed some of his own chakra into Naruto so that he could someday see him again too, specifically if ever the seal was about to break so that he could restore it."
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2012-03-08, 23:39 | Link #803 | |
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if the user of a technique of that caliber had malicious intents like madara, then he could not only alter it so that he could control the host body, but also eliminate the time limit minato and kushina had by utilizing the chakra of the host body. obviously that's all just speculation, my only point is that that type of technique is very similar to something we've already seen from minato who is on a similar, possibly lower level than madara |
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2012-03-08, 23:44 | Link #804 | |
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Anyway, whether it makes sense or not (which I suppose it doesn't really, when one thinks about it), Minato quite clearly said that the only thing he was putting in there was a bit of his and Kushina's chakra. There's no evidence to suggest he put anything else in there (other than, you know, Kurama himself). |
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2012-03-08, 23:51 | Link #805 | |
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also, my point this whole time is just that madara could have done a similar thing to obito and that minato's sealing technique proves that it is in the realm of possibilities in the narutoverse |
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2012-03-08, 23:52 | Link #806 |
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I get what you mean and it could be possible since Madara was one of the greatest but you also have to remember that Minato learned everything from Kusina who is an uzumaki. They were renown worldwide for their fuinjutsu. so its possible that her knowledge plus his genius he could have easily made his chakra manifest into a physical from in naruto's mind.
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2012-03-09, 00:53 | Link #807 |
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It's just chakra. If you are having problems understanding the technique, think of it as being similar to a/any type of Bushin (which is a chakra construct, but it has no soul).
That's not to say that a soul cannot be split (in the Narutoverse). Orochimaru and the Jyuubi are proof of this. This is not to say that Madara did anything you are assigning to him. Obito seems like a stretch of the imagination considering that Madara (or Zetsu) could have just as easily created a new body (similar to how all the new Zetsus have been made) and inserted some of his soul (or just memories or commands) into it. In fact, this would account for Tobi identifying himself/itself as "No One" (or was it "No Name"?) far better than if it were Obito's body but with Madara's memories (or whatever theory connects Madara to Obito). |
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Something occurs to me after watching the anime today:
1. we learn that "Tobi" has both senju chakra and the ocular chakra 2. his face is awfully dark; most Uchiha I know are pale After watching the anime, I really don't think that "Tobi" is really Madara. IDK...
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2012-03-09, 03:07 | Link #809 |
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Madara himself is pretty damn dark anyway.
Also, didn't he say he 'took' those senju cells? If Orochimaru was able to take Senju cells to create Yamato, Tobi could take some for Izanagi as well.
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2012-03-09, 05:52 | Link #810 |
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Chakra vs soul is really a tangent discussion and the distinction isn't so significant here. The point was that Minato and Kushina transferred a portion of themselves that contained memories. That's sufficient to make the comparison with what Madara might have done with Obito.
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2012-03-09, 07:35 | Link #811 | |
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right because they had time limits. think if they pulled a tobi and mindraped naruto into doing what they wanted. also nobody is saying the technique is exactly the same, just that it's similar |
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2012-03-09, 10:40 | Link #813 | |
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1. What are the lines on the right side of his face? They could be scars or wrinkles. But it doesn't make much sense why he would create a brand new body with either of those. 2. If Madara transferred his memories into a Zetsu clone body, thus making Tobi, then why not give the Rinnegan to Tobi instead of Nagato? It would make more sense, since Nagato was only a boy at the time. 3. Because Tobi performed Izanagi, a part of him needs to be Uchiha. Danzou was able to perform Izanagi because he incorporated Shisui's arm and Hashirama's face into his body. Those two elements plus the sacrifice of a Sharingan are what enabled Danzou to perform the technique. Tobi has Senju DNA (due to the Zetsu material in his body). But he must also have Uchiha DNA in his body. This rules out the idea that Tobi is simply a Zetsu body. 4. There are currently 3 unexplained Sharingan Techs: Tobi's phasing power, Tobi's Time/Space Warp, and Kakashi's Kamui. Since Kamui and Tobi's Warp power resemble each other, the simplest solution would be to say that these two similar mystery powers have the same origin. A more complicated solution would be to say that they are completely unrelated, because then you must come up with two separate origins instead of one. Due to these problems, Zetsu clone Theory seems highly unlikely. Honestly, reasons 2 and 3 are enough to rule it out altogether. Obito Theory, on the other hand, doesn't have these problems.
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2012-03-09, 13:20 | Link #814 | |
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2.We dont know if tobi was made before Madara died. he could have gave nagato his eyes with a seal or trigger so that he would make zetsu at a certian point. just my thoughts on that might not be true. 3. All you need is DNA from both you dont need to be one. Kakashi could use Izanagi if he got Senju DNA.(theoretically of course) 4. there techs do resemble each other but Kakashi can only transport what his eye is looking at. Tobi can create a pocket dimension to keep things in as while as moving location. Tobi's Space–Time Migration is more like Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. He could have studied it and further progressed it. Tobi's phasing power is not another technique it the space time migration but used on himself. He is intangible but Konan said he cant be that way for long and he cant transport away while using it. So that points to it being the same technique just having to different uses. |
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One thing that bothers me is the color of tobi's skin in the latest episodes with konan. it could just be darker from the blast he got hit with I suppose. even though he was in shadows when he revealed his eye to sasuke, his skin did not look that dark. still though, obito was much lighter, so it may be an issue. It's not like he gets much sun lol. I would agree that it looks more like senju skin, but tsunade is pretty pale. It's more hashirama's coloring but both madara and danzo had his face on them and it was pale... so maybe the coloring is of no consequence since it's kind of variable. |
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