[Umineko] Fan Fic EPX: The Witch of Despair VS Animesuki Detectives!

[Kets]

Spoiler for Recital request:

If a different word is inserted (instead of the black word given) into the red text, it will sound gramatically correct.

[Nadeor]

Kets' recital request, refused!

[Goose Boy]

N Mine? what about my statements?

[Nadeor]

The Culprit means the mastermind

[Goose Boy]

Very well.... Im not going to kill you as exilon.... but i have to make a theory... i dont have any so i would like having this statements in red:

Spoiler for Statements:

-Krauss was murdered.
-Genji saw krauss´s murderer.
-Natsuhi is atheistic.
-The killer had knowledge of natsuhi´s mirror.
-The culprit has two legs, two arms and a head. Oh dont forget two eyes.
-Rosa is atheistic.
-Kyrie seducted the killer (the tie/breasts thing)
-Half of the first twilightians were killed in the parlor, the others in an unknown location.
-The killer wanted the heirance fall upon kinzo´s child(children)
-Theres a possiblity of rosa being an accomplice as anyone else.

[Nadeor]

Enough with the Kyrie business of Breast Seduction! Eh! Fine, I will recite!

Spoiler for Recitals:

If the First twilight's preparations are all done by one and one only, then someone else must have witnessed its preparation.
The tea from the last meeting in the first night regarding on the division of the money was drugged.
Of those who fell unconscious in the first night, not all fell unconscious at the same time. To be exact, if the tea was adulterated with drug, then the likelihood of young one's been effected earlier is much more than old one's.

Natsuhi's NOT Atheistic. *It was in the text of her family running a shrine*
The Culprit is a HUMAN, therefore he/she has two legs, arms, eyes, and every other feature a normal human would.
Kyrie DID NOT seduct the Killer with her breast/tie thing
The killer wanted the heirance to fall upon Kinzo's children(child)
Everyone has the same possibility and opportunity of being an accomplice, including those who are dead. It's just a matter of whether they take it or not.

Oh and...
From now on, any recitals directly referencing to the truth of something will be ignored. Such as "Gohda is killed by Kanon" and etc. etc.

[Exilon]

Aaw, Nadeor, that makes it harder to work with anything --' Can we still ask for denials in red such as "Krauss was not killed by Beatrice"?
Please correct the first red statement in your last post, I don't think that's gramatically correct :s Unless you did it on purpose.
Also, have you finished your recitals post in the last page? It still says not yet complete, so I'm taking it as a no for now.

[Asashio123]

Again, I'm still not that sure about the 'truths of something' thing. It's be nice if you could clarify. Would something like, 'Maria is dead' be directly referencing to the truth of something? Would 'Maria died of a gunshot' be directly referencing to the truth of something? Would 'Rosa is sad that Maria is dead' be directly referencing to the truth of something? Or just stuff like, 'x was killed by y'. I'm sorry, but that phrasing kind of phrasing makes it vague for me.

(Hopefully, the three above are allowed, or otherwise this will get so hard.)

I have some recitals. Hopefully none of them are directly referencing the truth of something.

Spoiler for Recitals:

-The culprit is currently alive and well in the present day.
-None of the supposedly 'dead' are alive and well in the current day (as in, even if a death was faked, the person faking the death would have to be die before the incident was over).
-The culprit pretended to be dead sometime during the incident.
-The culprit's motive is related to Kinzo's fortune.
-The culprit did not physically kill anyone during the course of the event.
-All the siblings have guns on the island.
-All the sibling's spouses (with the exception of Rosa's disappeared husband) have guns on the island.
-All the children have shotguns on the island. (-not being serious-)
-If a person (besides Kinzo) has a gun on the island, at least one other person will know.
-The 'murderer' was being used by the culprit (as in, the murderer does not murder the victims voluntarily).
-At least one of the 'accomplice(s)' were being used by the culprit (same definition as above).

-Eva loves all of her siblings (besides Krauss).
-Rudolph loves all of his siblings.
-All the servants love and/or respect Kinzo.
-All of the servants love and/or respect the rest of the family (siblings+spouses+children).
-All of the siblings (besides maybe Krauss) love and/or respect Kinzo.
-The rest of the family (spouses+children) love and/or respect Kinzo.
-All of the siblings (besides maybe Krauss and Rosa) love both their spouses and their children.
-All of the children love both of their parents.
-No one in this mystery is having an affair we do not know about.
-Ange has no significance to this mystery.

I suppose that's a lot of requests for recitals, so I'll stop there. Still, I'll trying to sort out the character's various relationships, considering 'love' is involved in some of the character's deaths.

Gleh, I might do an analysis like CWA or Exilon. Maybe.

[Exilon]

Asashio, sometime ago when I was analyzing I made a scrabble of the caracters relationships. xD You can use it to aid you if you'd like. It goes somewhat like this:

Spoiler:

- Shannon loves George, likes Kanon and doesn't like Gohda.
- Kanon cares alot for Shannon, dislikes George and Gohda; possibly likes Jessica.
- Gohda hates both Shannon and Kanon, and has a NORMAL RELATIONSHIP with Natsuhi. (he can be faking it; we have no real confirmation.)
- Krauss loves Jessica, and doesn't care too much for Natsuhi; hates Eva and and has a grudge against Kinzo; has a normal relationship with Rudolf.
- Eva hates Krauss, and loves George and possibly Hideyoshi.
- Rudolf cares for Kyrie and Battler.
- Rosa hates all her siblings, and at least cares for Maria.
- Kumasawa supposedly cares for both Shannon and Kanon, also Genji.
- Nanjo is friends with Kinzo.
- Kyrie, Batler, Hideyoshi and Maria's relations aren't really specified or shown.
- Genji is close to Kinzo.
- Kinzo cares for some of his children; is close to Nanjo and Genji (trusts them.)


Those who are not presented, are unspecified.

hope it helps

[Asashio123]

Originally Posted by Exilon

Asashio, sometime ago when I was analyzing I made a scrabble of the caracters relationships. xD You can use it to aid you if you'd like. It goes somewhat like this:

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Oooh... that's quite interesting. Thank you very much for sharing!

[Goose Boy]

Must read epx again...... GOMEN NASAI want the following in red before posting any theory:

Spoiler for Statements, not so much:

-Kumazawa knew the ushiromiya children when they were children.
-Gohda cares a lot for natsuhi.
-Money is related to the killer/ culprit / accomplice motive.
-There are killer, culprit and accomplice and the number may vary.

[Nadeor]

Sorry, fixed that red statement
Because I came up with that one in my mind earlier in chinese, and it was pretty hard to translate it over to English

Spoiler for Recitals:

-The culprit is currently alive and well in the present day.
-If someone had faked his/her death, then there's still a chance of he/she been perfectly well and fine today.
The Culprit did not physically kill anyone during the event.
*May I hint about customs when you go on a plane? =_=||| Guns...*
If a person has a gun on the island, then at least one other will know
The Culprit's Motive is related to Kinzo's money
At least One of the accomplice(s) were used by the culprit on the island
Eva and Rudolf loves their siblings, but this doesn't mean anything in this EPX, since they are ONLY HUMAN.
The servants respects Kinzo
Ange has no significance in this mystery (Pardon me if I spelled anything wrong)

- Shannon loves George, likes Kanon and doesn't like Gohda.
- Kanon cares alot for Shannon, dislikes George and Gohda; possibly likes Jessica.
- Gohda hates both Shannon and Kanon, and has a NORMAL RELATIONSHIP with Natsuhi.
- Krauss loves Jessica, and doesn't care too much for Natsuhi; hates Eva and and has a grudge against Kinzo; has a normal relationship with Rudolf.
- Eva hates Krauss, and loves George and possibly Hideyoshi.
- Rudolf cares for Kyrie and Battler.
- Rosa hates all her siblings, and at least cares for Maria.
- Kumasawa supposedly cares for both Shannon and Kanon, also Genji.
- Nanjo is friends with Kinzo.
- Genji is close to Kinzo.
- Kinzo cares for some of his children; is close to Nanjo and Genji (trusts them.)

-Kumazawa knew the ushiromiya children when they were children.
-Gohda cares a lot for natsuhi.
-Money is related to the killer/ culprit / accomplice motive.
-There are killer, culprit and accomplice and the number may vary.

[Exilon]

err, Nadeor, you have stated in red before that Rosa hated all her sibllings ("Rosa hates Krauss nii-san and her other siblings).

When I wrote that stuff, I wasn't expecting it to be recited. :P
but oh well, that's nice! =D

Now I think I should try to clarify where Battler and George stand in this. But I've got nothing to work with, baah. Ideas, anyone?

Spoiler for some more requests:

- There are only 2 guns on the island.
- At the end of EPX, at least one of the characters is paranoid.
- Like Eva, Natsuhi is also planning something that is not clealry show in the story/text.
- The shrine was visited more than once during this EPX.
- The culprit believes in the epitaph.
- Some of the killing occured during the morning of the second day.
- Hideyoshi is not the murderer, culprit or accomplice of any form; he is just a victim.

[Nadeor]

I knew that, but I just figured it might MindF*** you guys a bit more if there are some red-black mix XD
And remember the definition of the black words?

Spoiler for Recitals:

Like Eva, Natsuhi is also planning something that is not clealry show in the story/text.


I got the feeling that you guys are focusing more on recitals now =_=
All the rest are refused due to different reasons, 8 days remains =v=

[Exilon]

yeah I remember, but if you wanted a mind*** you wouldn't even write anything in red :P I'm just divagating here.

Spoiler:

Ok, you asked for a theory, there you go.

Let's suppose Natsuhi is the culprit. What motives she has are still a little unclear. We know that she believes in the "god of the shrine", and that she wants to carry on the epitaph, because she believes money won't do any good to the four siblings, and that they should not fight. the one that passed her belief on this to her, could have been Kinzo, for example. Since she's nearing the end of her life, she gets the "help" of her (and Kinzo's) most trusted servants, Kumasawa, Genji and probably Gohda. When Jessica goes to her room, she tells her of her plan to "save" the now corrputed family. Jessica decides that she wants to help her mother, because, to some extent, she also believes in the god. this seems a little far-fecthed, but could be possible. Also, if we consider Rosa is an accomplice, then the timing can be explained easily. First, she went from the guest hotel to the main building and drugged the tea. Then, she could have lied about seeing Krauss and Kinzo. Well, she did see them, but only after Krauss was killed. where they went, I can't be sure, because after that, Rudolf, Eva and Nanjo stay in the main building, so they couldn't hide there.

that's all for now, just a small drabble, nothing really too much, but it's also full of incoherences, I realize. well, it's time for us to start thinking up plausible scenarios. If I may, I would advice you to try finding what works where before we start thinking about any real motives.

Meaning, when could x do y, for example. Like "Who has access to the keys in the servant's room while Eva and Rudolf are discussing the "wolf and Sheep" theory?"

[ClockWorkAngel]

Sounds great, we should look at each special situation carefully and see which of the people are the most suspicious. We have a good amount of time however, let's hope for the best!

Also Nadeor where is the chinese forum

[Nadeor]

They have the post of the solution arc there =v=
So I'm afraid I can't tell you guys until this is over~Because although Google Translation is retarded, it can still give out some key words that have some effective meaning to the game.

[jonnysalaris]

excuse me, i don't know if i have the right to join.. but if i am.. could you please answer this question?

Spoiler for maria:

does maria...
- obey her mom completely?
- is maria a good actress?

[Exilon]

Oh *goes look for the chinese forum*
Too bad I can't read chinese or write.

Spoiler for asked for recital:

-Kinzo has a plan that is not clearly stated in the story, it is the same as Natsuhi's.
- Kinzo wrote the will that is found by the gang after the second twilight.
- The copies of the epitaph were all written by the same person.
- One of the six hanged is pretending to be dead when they are first found.
- Battler and George know about Eva's plan.
- Jessica and Rosa know about Natsuhi's plan.
- When Rosa goes fetch food for Maria, there is more food in the fridge aside from the cake.
- A gun was used to murder at least two people during this story.

This is all for now.

[Nadeor]

Spoiler for Recitals:

Maria can act out some scenes quite nicely and obeys her mother most of the times
Kinzo has a plan that is not clearly stated in the story, it is the same as Natsuhi's
Kinzo wrote the will that is found by the gang after the second twilight
The copies of the epitaph were all written by the same person
Battler and George knows little or nothing about Eva's plan
Jessica and Rosa knows little or nothing about Natsuhi's plan
When Rosa goes fetch food for Maria, there is WAYYYYYY more food in the fridge aside from the cake, just take your fridge for example.

Yes Johnnysalaris you may join the battle against the Witch of Despair and me ^_^