2010-11-05, 07:19 | Link #1281 | |
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Just like no one cared about what happened to Yuuki's body except for Megumi. If Yuuki rises, it's not like he's going to be sympathetic to their cause. He'd prob kill them.
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2010-11-05, 07:50 | Link #1282 |
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Join Date: May 2010
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Wow, Shiki just got real. And Toshio has just undeniably achieved badass status. Yeah, it can be argued that what he did was disturbing, cruel and downright sick, but when things have turned out the way they have and the village is in a massive state of fear and despair, such actions are necessary and perhaps even heroic. He obviously loved his wife a lot, but he was level-headed enough to realize that she's dead and no longer human, and that doing what he did was a necessary sacrifice so that the humans can gain some knowledge that they can use against the shiki.
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2010-11-05, 07:51 | Link #1283 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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===== Not checking on Natsuno: maybe Tatsumi knew that the funeral car had come around? He's the daywalker after all. Ah...Mr. Kirishiki could possibly have seen it too, perhaps. But as for not checking on Kyoko...I wonder if Tatsumi had guessed what Toshio was doing and just let him do it. This may well be an incredibly careless move on Tatsumi's part. ===== I suggest reading the manga to find what he was thinking as he was waiting for her to rise.
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2010-11-05, 08:53 | Link #1284 | |
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Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006
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The purpose is to find a weakness as fast as possible, and having Kyoko tied would hardly be representative to how to defeat them, in general. It is to comprehend the biological structure and reactions they have. Injecting is actually the least damaging option: it would be much more inconvenient for him and for Kyoko if he were to force her to drink that kind of stuff.
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2010-11-05, 09:12 | Link #1285 |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
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That was a heavy episode to say the least, completely blowing away all the contents of last weeks episode. The entire operation scene is something that will stick with you for a while, i mean looking at it from Kyoko's position, she has just woken up, having no clue at all as to why she's strapped to a medical bed, and has her husband dissecting her. It would have been much easier to handle if the whole scene ended without her having said a world, though only managing to say Toshio's name was horrible. & what sums up that whole scene was Toshio's facial expression as Seishin entered the room. That totally destroyed me.
& damn that preview in the ED. This episode shows why i'd class this as the best show of 2010, without a shadow of a doubt.
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2010-11-05, 11:02 | Link #1290 |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
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I agree. This experimentation was a necessary evil, I'm not arguing about that, but it was still cruel. Whether he thought the person was no longer Kyouko is irrelevant, he could clearly see she was suffering tremendously yet he didn't even bat an eye and just kept going, inflicting upon her even greater amount of pain. Yes, I do think that was a heartless thing to do.
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2010-11-05, 11:18 | Link #1291 | |
Beautiful fighter.
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2010-11-05, 11:19 | Link #1292 | |
Let's Puppystyle!
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ugh this scene is one I will never forget. If it was someone else the impact would be less/gone. And for those of you who argue it's not cruel, tell me the same thing if you imagine yourself doing that to your wife. It's easier to shake off when it's "just anime"/just a story... |
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2010-11-05, 11:21 | Link #1293 | |
Let's Puppystyle!
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2010-11-05, 11:21 | Link #1294 |
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Shibuya Psychic Research
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Wow......simply wow. First of all, HELL YEAH MEGUMI!! Finally someone slapped Masao
Toshio...that could have been the most painful thing I ever watched. It was so cold, so calculated, so sterile. It was awesome. I actually nealy cried when he staked her. Excessive, it might have been but as he stated and as his staff stated he was at the end of his rope. He finally had a "patient" to experiment on. Sucks it was his wife. Best epi of the series so far. Also young!Seishin ftw
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2010-11-05, 11:35 | Link #1295 |
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As soon as Toshio bound his wife's mouth so she coldn't call his name this show instantly became one of the best I've ever seen.
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2010-11-05, 12:03 | Link #1296 |
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OH MY GOD
best and cruelest episode in the series, kyoko didn't deserve that i actually liked megumi here, she did what everybody wanted to do: slap misao (why didn't ozaki use masao for his experiments? it's not like anybody would care) Spoiler for young seishin and ozaki(L):
also isn't the servant of the kirishikis cute? i love her design
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2010-11-05, 12:08 | Link #1297 |
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To tell the truth, I find the liquor store son a much less appetizing sight than the fat nurse. They actually made her attractive, with the lingerie and the setting and her movements. It wasn't that many centuries ago that fat was beautiful. As for the son: carry on, Mrs. K!
I believe it is wrong to say that Dr. Ozaki "didn't bat an eye." The scene where he lay his his forehead against Kyouko's was deeply touching, for me; it suggested that he loved her and realized what he was doing. He tried to anesthetize her, but when that failed, felt he had to go ahead: for the sake of the village, and of the world (and for his own professional pride). He did it as expeditiously as possible, however, and ended her suffering within that one night. But I would never say that wasn't her: that was the okiagari version of her, but it was her. As I understand it, Buddhist ethics are a bit different from Christian ethics. I believe the Buddha is supposed to have said that it was permissible to kill one person if that would save the lives of many others: a kind of utilitarian approach. In Christianity, you are not supposed to kill anyone -- but of course, Christian priests bless armies, so the supposed ethics are conveniently forgotten when necessary. This episode was so powerful (and gross) that it got an entry in the Sankaku Complex blog (other contents NSFW).
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2010-11-05, 12:08 | Link #1298 |
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see any evidence that was Toshio did involved unnecessary cruelty. First of all, there was no evidence that he was enjoying it - far from it. If anything he was cold and dispassionate about it, but I think that was the only way he could get through it. He tried to knock her out - it didn't work. When he realized that, he knew there was nothing for it but to get it over with as fast as possible. He had a mission - to figure out what the shiki were vulnerable to and eventually, how they could be defeated. He did nothing that wasn't directly tied to fulfilling that mission - and thus, "necessary".
Was it cold, brutal, unpleasant - yes. But it wasn't vindictive or intentionally cruel - both of which, I might add, are things we've seen plenty of from the shiki. It was the desparate act of a desparate man trying to save his village from annihalation.
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2010-11-05, 12:15 | Link #1299 | |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
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At the end of the day, the events of this episode were very heavy and emotional. I for one won't be forgetting what has taken place here for a very long time.
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2010-11-05, 14:01 | Link #1300 | |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
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About whether or not he loved Kyouko, the manga made it rather clear. Unfortunately, it was cut out of the anime. I'll keep my mouth shut in case it's included in the next episode, but I very much doubt it will be.
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