Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by waffler

wait does yotsuba maya count as a strategic mage? because shes like one of the strongexst mages rite but i never heard of her being a strategic class mage

no, but when it comes Face to Face solo fight, probably Yotsuba Maya is one of the world's single most powerful magicians

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by Awrya

In that case he could call them maternal grandparents. It sounds more complicates than it actually is.
After all, we already know Erika's father (Chiba) had an affair with her mother.

I think erica´s mother´s mother was german and her mother´s father japanese. So we cannot simply say here maternal grandparents.

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by malason13

Wait a moment. Who was Takumi and Haruka?? I forget them again. Is haruka actually Kanon?

Haruka is the counseling teacher Ono-Sensei and I think Takumi ist Shippou the first years representatives.

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by Anthony.N

Thanks alots

I think neither of those twins gonna fall in love with Tatsuya
I think the Tsun one (Kasumi) gonna end up with the Shippou kid , dont ask me why, just like Mibu and Kirihara, I guess

for my POV, I think Kasumi will fall in love with Tatsuya after realising how powerless she is compared to him.
And you know that sometimes it is said "love begins with hatred"!

[Awrya]

Originally Posted by setsuna86

I think erica´s mother´s mother was german and her mother´s father japanese. So we cannot simply say here maternal grandparents.

There's always maternal grandfather/grandmother.
Anyway, it's the other way around, her maternal grandfather was German and her grandmother Japanese.

By the way, epic quadruple post.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by setsuna86

I thought she means "siscon"!?

Originally Posted by setsuna86

I thought she means "siscon"!?

please use MULTI Quote or Edit .

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Actually, he does. It was said in Mayumi SS.

Ddraig didn´t mean that Koichi knows already the fact that Tatsuya belongs to the Yotsuba family. But didn´t know the fact that Tatsuya is not treated as a Yotsuba, but as a simple guardian.
Correct me if I am in wrong, Ddraig!!

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

Vol 3, Retsu and Kazama talk states Japan only have 2 Strategic Class Magicians, 1 unregister and Mio, they saying Masaki its good but not on Tats level.

No they don't. They talk in vol.4 and is never mention if you don't believe me please look it up.

Originally Posted by setsuna86

I thought she means "siscon"!?

In her case is Bro-con since tat is male She probably means sadist.

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

don't know which one but got it from Whsie last year

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=865

That one, thanks. For some reason I can't find the Chinese version I've read ages ago...

you write this....

It just seems off that just because someone promises him they won't be harmed he'll believe it... Koichi's already planning on using the anti-magic faction for his own purposes, what's to say they won't go back on their own words as well?

[serbian otaku #1]

I was wondering. I know that Yotsuba Maya is one of the most powerfull individuals, but how powerfull is she compared to Tatsuya or Masaki?

And also people stop double posting just to increase your post count, it's seriously annoying, just EDIT them, and if you look closelu you'll see that those posts are not too far apart time wise. So STOP DOUBLE POSTING

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Flere821

That one, thanks. For some reason I can't find the Chinese version I've read ages ago...

It just seems off that just because someone promises him they won't be harmed he'll believe it... Koichi's already planning on using the anti-magic faction for his own purposes, what's to say they won't go back on their own words as well?

In the world of espionage, this risk is always present. Thing is, if you break the deal then you lose credibility and once word gets out no one will want to deal with you.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by serbian otaku #1

I was wondering. I know that Yotsuba Maya is one of the most powerfull individuals, but how powerfull is she compared to Tatsuya or Masaki?

And also people stop double posting just to increase your post count, it's seriously annoying, just EDIT them, and if you look closelu you'll see that those posts are not too far apart time wise. So STOP DOUBLE POSTING

Unlikely Miyuki would be able to beat her at this point but it's been said that Tatsuya would be able to beat her since her abilities are such a poor match up against his.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by serbian otaku #1

I was wondering. I know that Yotsuba Maya is one of the most powerfull individuals, but how powerfull is she compared to Tatsuya or Masaki?

And also people stop double posting just to increase your post count, it's seriously annoying, just EDIT them, and if you look closelu you'll see that those posts are not too far apart time wise. So STOP DOUBLE POSTING

She is about as powerful as Tatsuya but has bad affinity so she would likely loose as for Masaki i think she would win easily since her night is said to be really fast.

[serbian otaku #1]

I personaly don't think that she's more powerfull or equal to Tatsuya, after all we're talking about Demongod, since she can't use such destructive magic.

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by serbian otaku #1

I was wondering. I know that Yotsuba Maya is one of the most powerfull individuals, but how powerfull is she compared to Tatsuya or Masaki?

And also people stop double posting just to increase your post count, it's seriously annoying, just EDIT them, and if you look closelu you'll see that those posts are not too far apart time wise. So STOP DOUBLE POSTING

Spoiler:

Tatsuya was probably talking about how our abilities had changed from three years ago. Unquestionably, in terms of the power the two of them had there could be no comparison to three years ago. Especially in regards to Tatsuya, he had attained combat power that rivaled that of their aunt, Yotsuba Maya, famed as one of the world’s strongest magicians, known as "The Maou of the Far East" and "The Queen of Night". If you examine their magic affinities in detail, it would be readily apparent that in a one on one confrontation Tatsuya would win.

This would be the answer to your question.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by Flere821

That one, thanks. For some reason I can't find the Chinese version I've read ages ago...

It just seems off that just because someone promises him they won't be harmed he'll believe it... Koichi's already planning on using the anti-magic faction for his own purposes, what's to say they won't go back on their own words as well?

probably that will happen.

you know, sometimes snakes eat other snakes

Originally Posted by serbian otaku #1

I was wondering. I know that Yotsuba Maya is one of the most powerfull individuals, but how powerfull is she compared to Tatsuya or Masaki?

And also people stop double posting just to increase your post count, it's seriously annoying, just EDIT them, and if you look closelu you'll see that those posts are not too far apart time wise. So STOP DOUBLE POSTING

tatsuya's magic is Natural enemy of Maya's Night.

Maya's Night is Scissors
Tatsuya is Rock
Juumonji's Phalanx is Paper.


Masaki definitely no match. he will be beaten in seconds




ah about Maya's METEOR LINE

Originally Posted by whsie

There is some new info on Maya Yotsuba's magic from Volume 8 (same as Web 4 that I summarized). It explains some interesting details and why this magic is among the strongest in the world.

The official name is Meteor Line.

Spoiler for Meteor Line:

The reason Maya has the title of the "Far Eastern Maou" or "Empress of the Night" is due to the effects on light whenever this magic is activated. This magic is able to directly affect the distribution of light and especially in indoors and other enclosed settings (e.g a subway), there can be special powers.

To a magician, the process would be a sudden darkness with various small dots of light. These dots of light would converge towards the opponent and then skewer them to their death (matches the description of my summary of Web 4).

Initially, one would believe that this magic is some sort of accuracy based, ranged attack. In truth, the attack power of this magic lays not in the light itself or even the energy of the light.

The technical aspects are a bit difficult to explain, but from what I read, it seems that the light's true purpose is to change the natural attribute or"information" of whatever it passes through.

Side Note: In many ways, this is "true" magic to the Yotsuba. You're changing the nature of the information. End Note.

The net result is that regardless of the original attribute of the object whether it's insular, hard, soft, bouncy, organic, whatever, anything will get pierced.

Even a window that is highly transparent, if it isn't 100% transparent and even reflects a spec of light, it can be pierced through.

Analyzed at a deeper level, the change is made at the magic and physical level (sorry, I forgot the exact terms). In many ways, it can be classified as a disintegration magic that evaporates at the gas level (I'm reminded of Ichigou's "Explosion" magic).

If the target itself emits some sort of light, it automatically locks-on. When this happens, it cannot be forcibly broken or even reflected. Furthermore, because the dots of light surround the target from every angle, even if a barrier is erected, it's still useless. Even if the target is able to completely surround himself in a barrier, it can likewise with 100% accuracy skewer the target by penetrating through the barrier.

Essentially, this magic is unaffected by any sort of interference magic. Likewise, it's equally impossible to counter this magic with another magic. Light in itself is nearly impossible to interfere at the spiritual level. Even if the target is proficient enough to interfere with light, that target itself must specifically be stronger than Maya's control over light to successfully supersede her. Of course, Maya has been manipulating light for her entire life. To even think about beating Maya at light is more or less an impossible task.

The moment this magic is activated, the change in attribute of the target is already an unchangeable fact.

Side Note: In essence, if you truly want to beat Maya, you have to prevent her from activating this magic. In many ways, you have to beat her while she's in her "casting" stage, which lasts for like .3 seconds if even that long, and wrestle control of light away from Maya. But... Maya has been working with light for her whole lifetime, so good luck with that. End note.

Even the Phalanx defensive magic of the Juumonji clan that can block both magic and physical objects is unable to defend against it. Because of this, Maya is undefeated in fights against other magicians and hence earned her place among "The Strongest Magicians in the World".

However-, Meteor Line is a magic that interferes at the physical or magical level and changes them. Tatsuya's Disintegration magic is a magic that works at the deepest information level and hence it directly counters Maya's magic.

Final Note: I'm not 100% sure about this. It's just my speculation here. The reason why Maya's magic is able to penetrate the endless layers of Phalanx is possibly due to the fact that all the barriers emit some sort of light and can all be penetrated at once to the target's body.

On the other hand, the reason why Phalanx is considered a counter to Tatsuya's Disintegration is because Tatsuya works "one object" at a time- a layer of barrier, a tank, a missile, a human, etc.

Also, I've checked. There is indeed a chapter of the young Yotsuba sisters. It's named the "Untouchables". I didn't read it all, but I've glanced over the ending and I could tell that it matched the summary given by someone earlier. In other words, it's not a story with a happy ending.

[sandhy88]

Originally Posted by serbian otaku #1

I personaly don't think that she's more powerfull or equal to Tatsuya, after all we're talking about Demongod, since she can't use such destructive magic.

Maya magic is "Night" if I remember correcly. It a magic that accumulate all light particle to a singel point (like rasengan of naruto). Because of all light gathered at one point, that place around him become pitch dark. This magic is super fast because using light with light speed. has penetrated power like laser. Even Tatsuya get injured by this and his regenerated could not catch it's speed. But because "night" is the magic that using form (light), it lose to decomposition magic of Tatsuya. There are speculation that "Night" even can penetrated Juumonji's palanx.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by sandhy88

Maya magic is "Night" if I remember correcly. It a magic that accumulate all light particle to a singel point (like rasengan of naruto). Because of all light gathered at one point, that place around him become pitch dark. This magic is super fast because using light with light speed. has penetrated power like laser. Even Tatsuya get injured by this and his regenerated could not catch it's speed. But because "night" is the magic that using form (light), it lose to decomposition magic of Tatsuya. There are speculation that "Night" even can penetrated Juumonji's palanx.

No. Read whsie's explanation again. If it was just a laser, that'd be stupid and the Phalanx would be able to block it. Also, it's a FACT that the Phalanx can't block it.

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by Awrya

There's always maternal grandfather/grandmother.
Anyway, it's the other way around, her maternal grandfather was German and her grandmother Japanese.

By the way, epic quadruple post.

ah! Thanks for the correction!!

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by sandhy88

Maya magic is "Night" if I remember correcly. It a magic that accumulate all light particle to a singel point (like rasengan of naruto). Because of all light gathered at one point, that place around him become pitch dark. This magic is super fast because using light with light speed. has penetrated power like laser. Even Tatsuya get injured by this and his regenerated could not catch it's speed. But because "night" is the magic that using form (light), it lose to decomposition magic of Tatsuya. There are speculation that "Night" even can penetrated Juumonji's palanx.

It was stated that mayas night bypasses all data and fortification interferences of magic. Thus nullifying his phalanx. There is a little discussion going on in terms of restoration speed against her light magic.

It was stated in their fight that when she activated night, everything went pitch black and a point of light remained. Then a "stench of blood" loomed in the area before her magic got decomposed. That is not a secondary effect, but the result caused by her magic hitting tats. As nothing can interfere with light even at the spiritual level, then that means tats got hit with her attack. This would mean his restoration was fast enough to restore him and allowed him to keep conscious to decompose her magic.