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Old 2016-12-08, 05:08   Link #961
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Would've liked two Cours. And Fine flaws, to challenge Izetta's devotion to her, though we somewhat saw her cope with failure poorly in ep10. Izetta getting lightly injured mid-series, arguing with Fine, and continuing to fight, would've led up to ep10 well. Izetta's low self-worth makes her keep fighting through injuries, but Fine doesn't like that, Izetta is more than a weapon to her (she really couldn't show her personal feelings for Izetta in ep 10, because of her guilt). Izetta feeling guilt about killing so many, which Fine would help her with, would've been good too.

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I agree, I would've preferred 2 cours as well, that way they could've drawn out the legend a bit more. I also would've liked to see an argument scene between Fine and Izetta (not a quick fight, but a major argument).

For some of the other characters, I would've also liked to see Richter get more of a role. I felt like he was killed off way too quickly and would've preferred it if hanged around till at least episode 20 (if there was one), so that we could see his backstory and why he admires Berkman so much. Additionally I would've liked Johann (the soldier who got killed) to have gotten more of a role too.

For Sophie, maybe more stuff from her perspective like what she actually remembers about her past life, what she actually thinks about the Germanians in her mind, and seeing her just question whether she's just a copy or the real white witch.
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Old 2016-12-08, 05:48   Link #962
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I'm not sure if the creators would have had enough content for 2 cours without having to resort to pointless filler episodes that could end up disrupting the pacing.
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Old 2016-12-09, 22:23   Link #963
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I like the historical context of this series, well done so far.
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Old 2016-12-10, 12:09   Link #964
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Thanks to this episode my sides are in orbit, literally everything I predicted became true.

Basically we knew more about the white witch at the beginning but after that everything was ridiculous and very poorly made, I don't know if laugh or feel disappointment at how this series went from something really good to trash.

The Red Stone helped Mary Sue to because unstoppable, that's the asspull to make this even more hilarious. After that we got almost 5 minutes of absolute Yuri bait between Fine and Izetta, I mean... they really need to do that? finally, the super bomb which obviously is going to be stopped thanks to Izetta.

This series is already the disappointment of the season, so much wasted potential that is sad. Oh well, we will see how this terrible series end.
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Old 2016-12-10, 12:22   Link #965
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Not wanting to sound bad, but...what were you guys expecting from this story? For curiosity's sake.
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Old 2016-12-10, 12:29   Link #966
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Episode 11:

Sigh, I still don't like Berkmann at all regardless whatever position he is in now.

I think this episode will set up for the finale well as Izetta will fight against Sophie. The part about Fine and Izetta at the end was kinda adorable. In regards to storytelling though, it felt pretty meh. The whole secret weapon reveal, Berkmann's betrayal, etc all felt cheesy. Kinda expecting the finale to be rushed but at the same time, I hope they give a lot of budget for the fight.
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Old 2016-12-10, 13:03   Link #967
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I thought this was generally a pretty good episode, one of the strongest since early in the series. I also like the idea of both heroines playing a role in the resolution.

One complaint I have about this episode is that Berkman killing Tobias back in episode one didn't become an issue. I'm okay with Fine not recognizing him early in the episode because she's kind of broken at that point, but once she got her spirit back...
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Old 2016-12-10, 13:07   Link #968
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Not wanting to sound bad, but...what were you guys expecting from this story? For curiosity's sake.
I saw a PV with a flying witch shooting Nazis and that was reasonably congruent with my interests. I didn't mind when the series diverged quickly from that basic scenario and even when they added Sophie.

But it doesn't feel uniquely original to me, it feels like hitting a list of familiar story ideas in a perfunctory fashion and moving on. Yoshino gets slapped around for his writing, but as a quick comparison of this with Sora no Woto, that also jumbled together a bunch of familiar ideas but it did more unique things with them.
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Old 2016-12-10, 13:35   Link #969
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Episode 11

IF this show had more episodes like this one it would actually be above average. Actually giving some focus to Fine and Izetta as characters and stuff Instead of just having same repeat of "they act cute around each other" for 10 episodes.

Alas this is clearly setting up Izetta to die fulfilling the tired and old Japanese trope of tragic lesbians.

This show overall really encompasses the idea of wasted potential. Lots of cool elements and decent lore and decent accuracy squandered by bad characterization and overall average plot writing.
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Old 2016-12-10, 13:35   Link #970
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I like how some officials from a tiny country in the midst of a war with germania and a traitor of that country just drove right into this "secret germanian conference for major world powers" and were surprised to be stopped at the gate. Lol this show.
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Old 2016-12-10, 14:19   Link #971
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Episode 11

IF this show had more episodes like this one it would actually be above average. Actually giving some focus to Fine and Izetta as characters and stuff Instead of just having same repeat of "they act cute around each other" for 10 episodes.

Alas this is clearly setting up Izetta to die fulfilling the tired and old Japanese trope of tragic lesbians.

This show overall really encompasses the idea of wasted potential. Lots of cool elements and decent lore and decent accuracy squandered by bad characterization and overall average plot writing.
Agree, except I'm not so sure Izetta's going to die. Sure she's tripping quite some death flags, but if they betrayed expectations here and managed an elegant happy ending, that would be a saving grace.
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Old 2016-12-10, 15:46   Link #972
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Izetta will be weak and near death but will be revived by a kiss from Fine-sama, and the two will ride off on Izetta's broom and live happily ever after.
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Old 2016-12-10, 16:08   Link #973
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Wow I feel bad for the both of them this week. Fine looks very very tired about all this and Izetta's health is only going to get worse from here now that we know about the side effects of the magic gem. That moment on the mountain is so sweet though. Plus the scenery is just gorgeous heh.

Also what pissed me off a bit is too bad that damn queen in the past died peacefully. Wish karma bite her in the rear before she died for betraying the White Witch like that.

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Agree, except I'm not so sure Izetta's going to die. Sure she's tripping quite some death flags, but if they betrayed expectations here and managed an elegant happy ending, that would be a saving grace.
I kind of hoped that it goes the elegant happy ending as then that would make this story about Izetta the Witch a real happy ending unlike the real ending of the legend of the White Witch.

Also I'm wondering what Berkman is thinking when he saw Rickert's grave. The enemy is treating Rickert, an enemy, with respect while he himself, a person who works for Germania, is going to be buried somewhere like some dead stray dog.
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Old 2016-12-10, 16:26   Link #974
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I get the criticisms this show, and its latest episode, has received. But at the same time, I really have to wonder, what would have been better?

Episode after episode after episode of Izetta in conventional combat against Germania grunts would have become old fast, in my view. Sophie is a good antagonist who brought a lot of welcomed intensity and theatrical charm to the show. Ending on a climatic Izetta vs. Sophie fight sounds pretty good to me.

We also did have a decent amount of Izetta vs. German soldiers before Sophie became a big deal. Even here in Episode 11, we see Izetta using bricks and stones to blast away Germania soldiers and block their gunfire.

Shuumatsu no Izetta's plot does have a certain "just so" convenience to it. I might have preferred it if Elystadt had learned about "the bomb" through the heroic efforts of one of their own spies rather than through Berkman's highly plot-convenient character arc. Still, this isn't something that I think is critically bad for the show.

The big yuri scene between Izetta and Fine was mostly harmless fanservice, in my view. In fact, I think the show kinda needed this scene, as strong interactions between the two most important female characters has been somewhat lacking in recent episodes. The only thing I might have changed about this scene is have Izetta say "Don't worry. I'll take us over a Leyline area so I don't need to use the stone, hurting myself."

On the positive side of things, I thought it was great how this episode showed a sort of role reversal for Izetta and Fine. Izetta is the one showing strength and resolve here, while Fine is the one showing weakness and a desire to just give up. This nicely rounds out both characters, in my view.


On the whole, Shuumatsu no Izetta is not a masterpiece. But I do think it's reasonably entertaining and solid, with a few interesting turns within its plot.

And while "Our protagonists win, Germania loses" is predictable, that much would kinda been predictable anyway. I mean, this is loosely based on WWII after all, so you kinda expect Germania to fail in the end. Also, it is an open question if Izetta will die a hero, or live to enjoy a full happy ending with Fine. I could see it going either way.

Though it is a little cruel of me, I might prefer it if Izetta has to die a hero in order to stop Sophie, and the final scene is a tearful Fine holding Izetta in her arms while a smiling Izetta delivers her last loving/supportive words to Fine. I think I'd find that a bolder end, and more in-keeping with the story's mixed tone (dark vs. light), than a very fairytale-esque ending. But whether tearjerking heroism, or a fairytale happy ending, I look forward to next week's finale.
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Old 2016-12-10, 17:00   Link #975
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The yuri was strong in this episode. I'd forgive everything if they actually went for an ending of that kind.
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Old 2016-12-10, 21:10   Link #976
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Not wanting to sound bad, but...what were you guys expecting from this story? For curiosity's sake.
A heroic-tragic story about devoted love, the desperation of war, and power that humans should never wield. A character-focused story. And it would be, if Fine and Izetta had been characterised more deeply, and failed because of their flaws, rather than a 1940s clone. Their development was going well up to ep 7, I still maintain, but the vital revelation of Fine's flaws and vulnerability was sidelined and bungled. Slapping someone, and using their first name, are not adequate substitutes for expression of individual character, at this late stage. I'd even say the slap was OOC for Izetta, the character progression to slapping with that assurance wasn't there.

Don't mind Berkman switching sides, magical nuke is still poor though. For all Fine says about the evil of using magic, the show has only really shown that magic can potentially be used for evil. Better shows like Akira and PMMM tell it like it is; massive supernatural power gifted to individual mortals always has evil consequences. I was really hoping for insight into Fine's character this ep. Agree driving straight past checkpoint was a daft idea as well.
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Old 2016-12-10, 22:05   Link #977
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Episode 11

Izetta takes the stone even though it'll sap her life-force all for the sake of ending this war and fulfilling her and Finč's dream. And Berkman betrays Germany because they discarded him. His story has turned into something similar to Sophie's lol. Both were betrayed by their country after all they did for them and now want to teach them a lesson. If they were in Drifters they would be part of the ends faction.

The yuri was pretty damn strong here and now I'm hoping for an ending where these two get together as a couple. Izetta has triggered quite the death flags. She has to take on Sophie to stop her from taking the missile to Landsbruck which is as strong as a nuclear bomb. Lol in this parallel universe it is Germany with the nukes. Would be pretty good too if they kill Izetta and Finč and nuke Elystadt and win the war. Perfect bad end lol.
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Old 2016-12-11, 00:03   Link #978
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Berkman betrayal was the only path left for after the emperor discarded him, and in consequence Elystadt gained valuable info that coupled with Izetta may allow them to turn the tide of war. The stage is set for the last battle but there is still room for one last twist: What did Izetta discover about the stone?
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Old 2016-12-11, 04:44   Link #979
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Though it is a little cruel of me, I might prefer it if Izetta has to die a hero in order to stop Sophie, and the final scene is a tearful Fine holding Izetta in her arms while a smiling Izetta delivers her last loving/supportive words to Fine. I think I'd find that a bolder end, and more in-keeping with the story's mixed tone (dark vs. light), than a very fairytale-esque ending. But whether tearjerking heroism, or a fairytale happy ending, I look forward to next week's finale.
Yes, and Izetta alive would leave the problem of all the other countries which may want to use or kill her.
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Old 2016-12-11, 05:31   Link #980
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Yes, and Izetta alive would leave the problem of all the other countries which may want to use or kill her.
Perhaps they'll believe her to be dead or depowered, or she'll just go into hiding?

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