(L) Sousou no Frieren (葬送のフリーレン)

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Twi

I thought it'd take longer before the bloodshed since she was supposed to be locked up for two years.

Graf, a human, doesn't expect anything to happen to the town. Either the peace treaty works, or he thinks he will kill Lugner. If the town is intact, then yes, Frieren is expected to stay in jail for two years.

What the humans think and what will actually happen are two different things.

[James Rye]

Lol, "Wait I wanna say something!"
"Okay, go on."
"Ohuhmöh, I I got a Grandmother!"
SPLASH
"Get better, kiddo."

Frieren just saved herself the time, really not worth listening to demons, but man they sure are good character readers. Lügner turned a deadly situation into a favorable one to him and he didn't even know what a father is, lol. XD
Frieren going gangster on Draht's ass was also great, didn't knew she could use magic without her wand, she is really powerful, damn. Bet she could beat the entire demon army outside the city by herself.^^

[James Rye]

Well, there goes the Peace talk. And Frieren shows her hardcore Sensei side telling her two human followers to deal with those two demons themselves, lol. At least she does so to fight one of the seven sages all on her own. Loli demon vs loli elf, a fight for the Weeb Gods! XD

Also liked how Graf was so persisting on missing Draht, a shame he and his knights hold not a candle against Lügner's blood magic. Also the other loli demon is called Linie meaning line, bet she is a straight-forward fighter type.^^

[Twi]

You'll notice her army were all decapitated bodies...

[zeando]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Also as far as GS goes I really think rather then matter of immaturity it's all about world view and choice and she can very well keep at it 50k years or so just fine. It's sort of like significantly less badass version of Vash or Kenshin.

The issue is that if you remove the ears from High Elf Archer, there is nothing indicating her age, from her behaviour or memory of past experiences.
That's not a fault specific to goblin slayer though, in GS it can be pardoned, because all the main characters play the cliche roles straight.

Characterizing long lived characters it very hard, the harder part is precisely creating the memory of a long lived character and connecting that memory to the actual character, as to have them reflect their long past experiences. Same could be said about characterizing very intelligent characters.

Very few authors manage or even try to create a compelling characterization reflecting something which is basically not-human, yet with relatable human-like intelligence, most often authors just lean on the cliche uninspired staples for which ever role, that's how you get the generic ecchi elf, or the 5000 years old demon loli.
Or again, ecchi misunderstood demons. In relation to recent chapters.


edit. actually, until we start hearing Aura talk, she does seem to fit the demon loli trope, sadly
I wonder if Frieren and Aura will have a little chat about bygone times.

[zeando]

Originally Posted by Oberstein

If there is romance for Frieren i think she should paired with immortal, ones with long lifespan because mortals certainly left bitter sweet experience to her. Personally, i prefer Frieren romance another elf because elf x elf is something rare to find in anime and manga.
For some reason this industry prefer elves to have interracial romance either date human or raped by Orc and Goblin.

Originally Posted by James Rye

I'd like to see an ElfxDwarf story once~

Maybe in japan-lore, but in the original lore it shouldn't be possible for them to mix. Some interesting answers on that.

The idea of at least swapping them would be interesting.
Forest dwarves, and deep cave elves. (cave elves do exist in d&d lore)

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by zeando

The issue is that if you remove the ears from High Elf Archer, there is nothing indicating her age, from her behaviour or memory of past experiences.
That's not a fault specific to goblin slayer though, in GS it can be pardoned, because all the main characters play the cliche roles straight.

Characterizing long lived characters it very hard, the harder part is precisely creating the memory of a long lived character and connecting that memory to the actual character, as to have them reflect their long past experiences. Same could be said about characterizing very intelligent characters.

Very few authors manage or even try to create a compelling characterization reflecting something which is basically not-human, yet with relatable human-like intelligence, most often authors just lean on the cliche uninspired staples for which ever role, that's how you get the generic ecchi elf, or the 5000 years old demon loli.
Or again, ecchi misunderstood demons. In relation to recent chapters.

Even without ears you would get character with her own brand of wisdom that doesn't match her apparent age and you can see how it "reflect her long past experiences" even if it's not necessary unique to member of longliving race only.

If you are going to live for milenias, you will either detach yourself from everything, or take pleasure from small things to fullest, because you know they will gone soon and either is right answer.

[zeando]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

If you are going to live for milenias, you will either detach yourself from everything, or take pleasure from small things to fullest, because you know they will gone soon and either is right answer.

Or compress all the millenia long experiences into some form of wisdom, where there is no loss of important discoveries. And those many-many discoveries gathered over thousands of years would show as the character acts.
Or posses the ability to memorize everything, and to navigate that huge amount of informations, without having to forget anything.
Or above everything, having a spirit which can withstand immortality without breaking down. And actually enjoying the passage of millenias, as old things develop and new things surface.
But those are rarely seen setups for immortals(or close immortals) in fictions.

Most often the characterization of immortals or similar, when there is some effort in the writing, is close to the ones you mentioned. Either depressed or bland. (though, "well written bland" is different from just badly written)

The common characterizations of immortals basically stop at "a normal human faced with a very long life" (plus some cosmetics to add a sense of exotic)
A normal human with a normal memory, so they forget most of their long lifes, rendering their supposed immortality quite bland and hardly recognizable from other characters with common lifespans.
A normal human with an human sized spirit (or mentality), which often breaks down when stressed with an existence longer than an human existence, leading to the cliche of "depression from immortality".
(the characters from films like Highlander sort of managed both, bland + depressed)

In that sense Frieren is still mostly inside the standard, for what concerns long lived characters, when there is some effort in the writing.
Nothing exceptional, as characters with millenary wisdom, or with absurdly huge memory, from what we have seen so far, at least.


Though she loves her deplorable magic hunt.
And she also seem to be starting to appreciate more what was left in her after the time spent with others. Which is a good development, possibly moving away from the cliche of "immortal depression", to a "spirit which can withstand time".

[wuhugm]

Loli vs Loli
Amazing

Edit : Loli Babaa vs Loli Babaa

Edit : Expressionless Loli Babaa vs Emotionless Loli Babaa

[Shadow5YA]

I noticed that most of Aura's minions behind her are not demons, but headless corpses of humans instead.

That's probably going to cause problems in the next chapter if those sentinels in town that were beheaded by Lugner and Draht come back under Aura's control.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, that's certainly going to be a problem if she does do that.

Anyway, it seems like the village is about to be destroyed now unless they manage to save it.

[wuhugm]

Frieren The Slayer

[zeando]

Page 20 looked like:

Spoiler:

"and she is known as the mage who sent the most demons to the grave in all of history"
Yeah, what the hell.

This brings back the hype of early Goblin Slayer so much.
Now i want to see a crossover, Goblin Slayer x Frieren.

[wuhugm]

^No way
Goblin Slayer is full of plotholes
Frieren is way superior literature

[kari-no-sugata II]

I'm not sure how the translator came up with 葬送 = slayer though. It only means "funeral" or "burial rites". I've not found any context in which it can mean something else.

If you want to keep an ambiguous translation, maybe "Frieren of the Grave" or "Last Rites Frieren"? If you want a bit more in line with the meaning in this chapter, maybe "Frieren the Grave-maker"

[Tenzen12]

Even if it's innacurate, I think it get thought across much better, so I am fine with that.

[zeando]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

^No way
Goblin Slayer is full of plotholes
Frieren is way superior literature

Just for memes and shits, obviously.

A more interesting comparison or crossover would be for Marcille from Dungeon Meshi to have a talk about differences in lifespans with Frieren.
I would imagine Frieren is much older than Marcille.


@kari-no-sugata II
"i'll see you at your funeral"
is one way to say "you are getting killed soon"

Yeah, "slayer" may be more of a creative translation, but there seems to really be a double meaning in the serie title.

葬送 (そうそう) [Common word]
1. funeral; burial rites​
2. attendance at a funeral​

葬 (Kanji) (12 strokes. JLPT N1. Jōyō kanji, taught in junior high.)
interment, bury, shelve

送 (Kanji) (9 strokes. JLPT N4. Jōyō kanji, taught in grade 3.)
escort, send

It apparently can work both as "escorting a friend during their burial" = attending to their funeral
as "escorting demons to their burial" = filling in the requirement for a burial, got to be dead first. So "slayer" is actually heavily implied. Those demons aren't just going to die by themselves, an elf got to help with that step.

Who gets escorted, and if they were already dead before the escorting, is key.


Honestly, the translator could have carried on with "Frieren at the Funeral" and it would have worked regardless.
Given the context it's pretty clear what it means.

[wuhugm]

..........
The most appropriate translation is
"Frieren The Undertaker"
Obviously

[Tenzen12]

That would work.... if it instantly didn't make me imagine Frieren as prowrestler

[zeando]

In hindsight, it's pretty interesting to see how Frieren could be so sure about Fern and Stark being able to deal with the demon Lugner, since she knows well both Fern and Stark but also knows about Lugner, since they met before.

That, or Frieren also forgot about Lugner, and was able to estimate how strong he was just with a look. Without using previous knowledge.
Frieren with a Dio voice: "How many breads have you eaten in your life?"