2011-02-02, 13:22 | Link #16121 |
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How about this for a possibility?
The Eclipse was made before the Bureau, during the wars by planets who had no mages and were tired of the fighting that happened by mages that spilled onto their planets, doing massive harm. Then the Bureau gets made, ends the wars, and sucks up most of the mages. Unfortunately, the Eclipse users were from planets that HATE mages in all forms. They tend to avoid going near Bureau space because they want to kill everyone on those worlds. So, in short, they don't like the Bureau because they come from places that hates magic users and the Bureau did nothing to help out those worlds after the wars were settled.
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2011-02-02, 13:30 | Link #16124 | |
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Ultimately, the shadow people don't really care, since the Hucks seem to operate outside the Bureau and don't seem to have a Zest-level thirst for coming after them. If RF6 and the AEC weapons work, good. If they don't, they at least get some data. A win/win situation. But they are betting on RF6 coming through. Given their track record, it's a good bet. |
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2011-02-02, 13:35 | Link #16125 |
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I liked the previous theory of the AEC being protoptypes of future Alt-modes for the real devices, i know this is very unlikely but it will be cool.
Btw, if i remember correct War Hammer's NEXT design says something about the lines of being a prototype for mass production ....somehow the mental image of a regular TSAB soldier wielding a Vita-style giant hammer cracks me up xDDDD!!!
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2011-02-02, 13:38 | Link #16126 |
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Plasma Pile punctured a few holes in the ship, with just Vita as the wielder. Equip a few dozen mages with the weapon, and you could easily bring down the ship, even if the production version is less powerful. Quantity over quality (Hey, that describes my writing!).
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2011-02-02, 13:48 | Link #16127 |
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Just wonder if they have the strenght and body structure necessary to wield such a thing and to be fair the War Hammer blew a single hole on the ship but yeah i take our point.
Hayate goes a little overkill with the colossal iceberg xD.
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2011-02-02, 14:08 | Link #16128 | |
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A single scientist with a dozen cyborgs and a few dozen drones wouldn't be much of a threat. And without the Cradle and the opportunity it represented Jail might not have gone rogue. Just saying. Also - "escudo" means "shield" in latin based languages and the kanji don't say battleship which surprised me. The last character is "small boat" so it says "Flying war boat". Nice to know the designers consider that "small". Each of the red squares that are pointed out is a laser and the big round one is the center is the main cannon. |
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2011-02-02, 14:09 | Link #16129 | |
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Overkill? In Nanoha? Surely, you jest.
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2011-02-02, 14:23 | Link #16130 | |
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Hayate complained about it once, and then iirc in the epilogue/soundstage she admitted they might have been right. |
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2011-02-02, 22:47 | Link #16131 | |
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Despite the series' repeated hints of universal unrest, Administrated Space with Midchilda at its centre is shown to be more or less peaceful. In a nation blessed/cursed with a long period of peace, without any wars as a catalyst, the only way to promote officers is via length of service period (your rank rises with each period of years spent working there) and certifications. Note that it's certifications, which may or may not equate to real ability in the requested field. So as long you've passed the test and have a piece of offical acknowledgement certifying that you're eligible for this position, this job, it's yours. This is how a military that has become a bureaucracy works, and which is imho how the Bureau works. In this light, Hayate is a good example of how this system works. She was dragged into this business since the age of nine and with the (dubious) advantage of being the inheritor of the Tome's legacy and her own personal guard that has proved to be good fighters that have rapport with each other. This pretty much gives her a fairly good headstart despite her connection to the BoD Incident. After she become a Bureau employee, she also spent much of her time going through officer training that would prepare her for a leadership position. Given her circumstances (and her complaints about RS users being convenient tools in chapter 3 of the A's to StrikerS manga), she should have seen a fair deal more action than most other employees of her same age (remember Teana's comments in the same manga about the absurdity of a 9yo doing the kind of things the Aces have done; apparently Nanoha and co are the exception and not the norm). This field experience, even just a little, serves as a bonus to further boost her career, especially if she manage to complete her tasks with expected if not exceeded results. This too can be applied to Fate and Nanoha. So in short what do we have here? People who (to be fair to them) may have potential for greatness, have spent a good deal of time in a bureaucracy, come with the right certification(s) and a fair amount of field experience. In the eyes of a peace-time establishment that appears to have fading memories of widespread warfare directly involving/affecting itself, this is enough to heap promotion after promotion on their way, regardless whether they are actually ready for their positions. This is the chief problem with a bureaucratic para/military; while the people assigned look good on paper, whether they have the actual experience and/or talent to pull through is another thing. Peace has a crippling effect on military efficiency if not guarded against and considering the Bureau's blunders and the Aces' not-all-impressive track records so far, I guess they've already fallen victim to that effect. Imho, if Tsuzuki understood the failings of the Bureau and ficitional society he has created, and adjusted his story to show those failings and how his characters struggle with each other, this problem might not have existed, or at least be not as glaring as it is now. Unfortunately it seems that his enthusiaism in SRW (and perhaps fan and corporate pressure) has weakened his storytelling to showing off new mecha parts (where now art thou, magic?) and one-on-one show-downs, instead of developing better tactics (I want my group fights, thank you very much, since the Bureau is an enforcement group afterall and should place teamwork over individual heroism/show-offs) and a more complex, engaging story (I refrain from accusing him of totally ignoring complexity in human character and relationships and social issues, since imho he has at least try to work on this area with Force). Take a page from Shirow Masamune, Tsuzuki-san, and learn.
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2011-02-02, 23:16 | Link #16132 |
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Regarding TSAB's possible skeletons in the closet, note that the ones most likely for establishing those hundreds of skeletons in the closet are already dead.
But considering how the High Council seems to have the 'set-up' of middle-men or a multi-layered supervision over their less ethical projects, it wouldn't be strange if projects continued on anyway, or if the cells involved with 'Experiment ##' have no direct knowledge that they're actually secretly working for TSAB. Or possess the ability to press forward even with the primary beneficiaries dead. Assuming TSAB's responsible for the some dastardly things, it doesn't mean the ones who are charged to take care of their dirty secret are privy to the ways to deal with them.
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2011-02-03, 02:38 | Link #16136 |
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Unless Signum returns as a Blue Lantern(or get's wrongly resurrected/possesed as a Black Lantern xDU).
By the way, Tsuzuki has definetly topped himself with the dark hour of the heroes this time ...the comeback must be glorious xD.
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2011-02-03, 03:11 | Link #16137 |
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Thread closed.
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