Bakemonogatari - Episode 15 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Kudryavka]

Originally Posted by Marion

Pem doesn't do the best job, but it gives you the general idea.

Thanks. Am I right is assuming that pem is just doing what they can to sub the episodes of Bake that the other fansubbers ignore?

[ickem]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

The only form of aggressive seduction ever to appear in this series so far is in Nise.

In Bake:

• Mayoi ... doesn't seduce. Ararargi's just too much of a lolicon.
• Nadeko hasn't done anything worth of mentioning (no matter how much SHAFT played up the snake play).
• Kanbaru's just an (awesome) idiot, anything she did was she being herself.
• Hanekawa is the well conducted one.
• Hitagi did bit his ear and touch him in awesome teasing places, but she is so scared of coitus (I swear I would've never learned this word if not for Big Bang Theory) that she wouldn't actually do any sort of real seduction.

I find no fault with people who acts on what she wants because that's what it means to be fair to yourself and others. In the end, if you don't confess because you worry about your friend's feeling that is not being fair to the guy/girl whom you like since you never gave him/her a chance to make a decision.

The fact you don't confess just makes you conceited because what makes you think the guy will change his mind at all just because you confess (since that's the only reason why your friend's feeling would be hurt at all by your confession).

With that said, Senjougahara >>> Hanekawa.

I feel the same way. You can't just expect things to happen in your favor, you have go out and put in effort into achieving what you want.

[-Sho-]

Ok just watch it :

Eh what no more Bakemonogatari T_T

Well , It was quite good , they settled the "Triangle" .
Lol the amount of bloods on Araragi's neck .
So Shinobu is Araragi's shadow ?

I wanted to know more about her and her past with Araragi's fight .

Someone can remind me if Hitagi's birthday was already done ?

Overall : 8.5/10 for the show

And Yes Hitagi > Hanekawa even though she's NYAA .

[klare]

not bad as the ending (is this the true ending?)

but the quality of the one i watched is bad, hope to see a better version in the future

the dialog between Araragi and Neko also is a bit too long

[Marion]

Originally Posted by klare

not bad as the ending (is this the true ending?)

but the quality of the one i watched is bad, hope to see a better version in the future

the dialog between Araragi and Neko also is a bit too long

It's the ending of Bakemonogatari. After this is Nisemonogatari.

My bet is that when Shaft does decide to animate it they'll do all 5 arcs at once - Koyomi Vamp, Karen Bee, Tsukihi Phoenix, Tsubasa Family and Mayoi Jiangshi

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Marion

My bet is that when Shaft does decide to animate it they'll do all 5 arcs at once - Koyomi Vamp, Karen Bee, Tsukihi Phoenix, Tsubasa Family and Mayoi Jiangshi

I'd rather they not...wouldn't want months of delays between each episode again, right?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by karice67

I'd rather they not...wouldn't want months of delays between each episode again, right?

If they pulled this stunt again I doubt people would support them as much.

[Velsy]

Now that I have seen........ all 4 parts.........

I just want to keep it short and simple and say....... Shinobu was awesome!!!! Shadow ninja!
So she was never lost but in his shadow the whole time O_O

But a bandaid ? come on, thats just poor taste.

I think Arararararagi owes Shinobu a box of dohnuts after that effort

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Marion

If they pulled this stunt again I doubt people would support them as much.

I would give any company full support if they will animate Zaregoto and not screw it up. If SHAFT ever do Zaregoto, then take 20 years to finish up the rest of the Monogatari Series I would still support them.

Stupid stupid stupid Katanagatari needs to end now too (6 more months!!!) so the next Nisio Anime Project gets announced. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

One more month till Neko. Now I'm really curious what the sales figure would be for the novel and the last BRDVD (especially after such a long, long gap).

[FlareKnight]

A bit more glad to just see the last episode than about anything actually in it . It was quite the wait for this series to wrap up that's for sure. Still a solid episode in hitting home to Araragi what the truth was and having him actually struggle to survive. No doubt that Hitagi would act if he let himself get killed there. Surviving so you don't make your girlfriend into a killer . Well it was pretty effective so I suppose that is good.

So Oshino really did go. Well I suppose he couldn't just stay forever. Besides at the very least Araragi has a pretty good group around him to help when they run into trouble down the road. Obviously they will run into trouble since that's just how things go.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

I would give any company full support if they will animate Zaregoto and not screw it up. If SHAFT ever do Zaregoto, then take 20 years to finish up the rest of the Monogatari Series I would still support them.

Stupid stupid stupid Katanagatari needs to end now too (6 more months!!!) so the next Nisio Anime Project gets announced. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

One more month till Neko. Now I'm really curious what the sales figure would be for the novel and the last BRDVD (especially after such a long, long gap).

I guess that's what you get when you know the ending huh? To be fair the anime is doing a better job telling the story than the novel did, Nisio padded the hell out of Katana. It'll be hilarious if the next Nisio anime project is Mahou shojou or Sekai.

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by omimon

I guess that's what you get when you know the ending huh? To be fair the anime is doing a better job telling the story than the novel did, Nisio padded the hell out of Katana. It'll be hilarious if the next Nisio anime project is Mahou shojou or Sekai.

Have Katanagatari sales suggested OAVs are viable with his stuff? Risuka would be absolutely impossible on TV.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Buddy Waters

Have Katanagatari sales suggested OAVs are viable with his stuff? Risuka would be absolutely impossible on TV.

Why? I have never read it so please tell me. Is it because the stuff is too kinky, Nisio's stuff sometimes it.

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by omimon

Why? I have never read it so please tell me. Is it because the stuff is too kinky, Nisio's stuff sometimes it.

This is the basic concept of the series, but it's doled out over the first chapter, so could be considered a spoiler:

Spoiler for Risuka chapter 1:

Risuka's magic is based on her blood, so she cuts herself to perform spells. Her transformation sequence only happens when she gets killed. Basically, the level of violence that got the Kanbaru fight cut to shreds in the broadcast version but directed at a ten year old.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Buddy Waters

This is the basic concept of the series, but it's doled out over the first chapter, so could be considered a spoiler:

Spoiler for Risuka chapter 1:

Risuka's magic is based on her blood, so she cuts herself to perform spells. Her transformation sequence only happens when she gets killed. Basically, the level of violence that got the Kanbaru fight cut to shreds in the broadcast version but directed at a ten year old.

.....Awesome...

[gonzo562]

alright episode

wish Senjougahara had more screen time though

[zato_1one]

Originally Posted by Buddy Waters

This is the basic concept of the series, but it's doled out over the first chapter, so could be considered a spoiler:

Spoiler for Risuka chapter 1:

Risuka's magic is based on her blood, so she cuts herself to perform spells. Her transformation sequence only happens when she gets killed. Basically, the level of violence that got the Kanbaru fight cut to shreds in the broadcast version but directed at a ten year old.

Very interesting. Is she immortal?

[OokamiKasumi]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Well, 'seduced' can be no ones interests/lovers etc.

-- True.

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

...not all NTR are consensual...

Seduction isn't always consensual either.
-- In fact, the actual meaning behind the word actually implies Non-Consensual Manipulation, or Coercion. Basically, a seducer is one who convinces others that they want something when they either 'Don't want it', or 'it's Not in their best interests'.

In my opinion, Araragi was very much Seduced by Hitagi. She actively pursued him from the moment the two of them went to her place to prepare for the Crab ritual. From what I saw, he started 'seeing' her because she Insisted and he simply gave in under the pressure. That Araragi actually DID fall in love with her only proves that her seduction scheme (constant pressure/threats) Worked.

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

...type B for examples is having girl forced (by blackmail or by force or something like that) at first until she starts enjoying and continues it doing on her own, while type C is a rape from the beginning to the end just that rape involves having or being a love interest to make it into NTR...

Actually, ALL of those circumstances (A, B & C) would indeed happen in Seduction situations. (I should know. I write the stuff for a living.) *wink*

[OokamiKasumi]

Originally Posted by karice67

Nope, because "netorare" refers to the situation and feelings of the person whose love interest has been taken/seduced.

Ah...! Understood.
-- English covers the Target (the seduced) and the Aggressor (the seducer), but you're right, there's no word that describes the Victim, the one who lost their would-be love.

[Buddy Waters]

Originally Posted by zato_1one

Very interesting. Is she immortal?

Spoiler for Risuka:

Effectively. There's a fail safe spell encoded in her blood that summons an adult version of her from the future to deal with whatever killed her.

It was actually the first series to sign an anime deal (or at least show up on Moonphase), but with Faust no longer coming out regularly, only one new chapter has come out in the last three years, and everything got delayed. I wish they'd just take it out of Faust and finish it up already.