2009-01-06, 00:26 | Link #1081 | |
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On a slightly related note, quite frankly I think telling someone to get out of a thread cause they disagree with you is worse then the comment Tak made anyway. But that's just me. Um, so about Ranka.....damn, I don't have much to say on her. Only that I'm really curious about how her character will be portrayed in the movie. I would love for them to age her up, but that's not likely to happen. But at the very least I expect better development.
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Sorry guys but I was at work and it seems that everyone has been busy while I was gone and I was kind of chuckling at everything to be honest. Hey I didn't light any fires here, I was just simply clearing a up a statement that I disagreed with Tak and all of a sudden it became WW3 XD but hey I had nothing better to do either so here I go with my reply Tak, enjoy picking it apart
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As for Alto, yes she realized that she sang for Alto and only him. As for Ranka leaving Frontier, I don't believe that it was directly related to her leaving because it was only after she saw Ai-kun molt that she decided to take him back, so again she was not running away from Alto and the problems. Ranka just needed time to think until she found out that Ai-kun was a Vajra, that's what lead her to leave Frontier not the situation that unfolded on the roof. Quote:
Yes she did refuse. She grabbed the mic, she wanted to but she was emotionally unstable and she couldn't. It takes emotion to sing and although she is a professional, she's only human (and part Zentradi but you get the point.) Remember that it wasn't only the fact that she misunderstood the situation with Alto and Sheryl on the roof, but it was also that her brother, Ozma was missing. There is only so much someone can handle emotionally. Besides remember that her singing attracts the Vajra, if she had sang then it would have just caused more destruction. All of that stacked on top of each other does effect someone being able to sing a song of hope. Quote:
As for your comments about her running away, well it is your view and I have different views but I don't find yours any dumber than mines. I don't see Ranka running away, I saw her confronting them for the simple fact that her guilt told her that she was the source of the problems. That's why she kept saying "Why me?" Her singing attracted the Vajra, that's one of the reasons she couldn't sing anymore, coupled with Alto's situation on the roof and probably being the main reason. I'm not claiming this as fact but this is how I view her decisions and situations whether you agree with them or not. All of this also came right after she sang and attracted the Vajra to Island 3 to blow it up. As for notifying Ozma, I don't think she could have done that because first off like you said, he was escaping Frontier to take his own path along with his companions, and second Ranka had no idea what happened to Ozma consider the fact that Leon did tell Ranka that he was missing and had no way of contacting him. I would also appreciate it if you would not try to force your views on me because I have an opposite view of the situation which seems to be a very debatable one in my opinion. Quote:
Although Ranka was partially responsible for bringing about the damage caused to Frontier, it is also the reason why she needed to take that journey in order to find out why her singing does what it does and to answer the questions that her past is hiding. There really wasn't much more that she could have done, she knew that even her singing wouldn't help for the simple fact that her singing now caused the Vajra to become even more violent. This is not something that could easily be controlled. You're right, she didn't ask Alto to come with her but that she really wanted him to come with her but her telling Alto how she felt was a spur of the moment type of thing, you can even see her hesitate before she revealed her feelings. I do understand that Alto did not want to come with her, I don't know when I said that he did, but I know that very well and I've said this before that I don't blame him after seeing the suffering that the Vajra has caused. Quote:
My final comments is that most people on here seem to be WAY too hard on Ranka and the decisions she makes. I see a lot of people exaggerating their ideas and too many people believe it is the case. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't think that way because it is just the way you see things, but I have my own views and I am going to express them however I see things. Although Father_Hentai is neutral, I'm interested to hear what you think as well because you're unbiased towards both sides, well that is if you have any comments lol. Oh sorry for being late but Happy New Years to everyone and good night. |
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Good. Because I remember you whining about it a while back.
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She also mentioned that she wanted to sing so she could prove her existence to everyone else. Unfortunately, she later narrowed that dream to just proving her existence to one person. Quote:
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The Frontier went after the Vajra after Ranka bolted and after the Vajra continued their raids against the Fronter. Instead of waiting around to die, Leon chose to go for broke (although he could request reinforcements), and the rest is history. - Tak
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2009-01-06, 11:14 | Link #1085 | |
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I already mentioned to Tak earlier that Ranka is jugded too harsh and I am still sticking to what I said. I am still not same opinion with most of here because I can't judge someone hard if I know that the person is only being used as a tool. This takes out all responsibilities for me no matter if the person is gifted with something special or not. I just don't have the rights to push him/her to something not desired. I will post up more as soon as I have finished the last 5 eps. But from what I grabbed yet it'll put me more into clash with Tak
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2009-01-06, 11:37 | Link #1086 | |
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Justavisitor... you think Ranka sees Sheryl as a friend? Maybe episode 2-3 and 25 Ranka does but in between that lol?
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Also in regards to the slap of Sheryl in episode 25 that was uncalled for, it would've been better if she had hugged her or something. I'm sure if Ranka fans weren't too caught up in payback for earlier on they would agree. I mean seriously Ranka fans...you think Sheryls reasons for giving up are equivalent to Rankas? "Oh noes Alto likes Sheryl, I won't sing anymore" is the same as "I gave it my all but I'm dying right now?" Also a hug would've been more in character for Ranka but hey who cares about that when you can have "payback" instead. |
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2009-01-06, 12:19 | Link #1091 | |
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While Sheryl falls ill and the rebellion ensues, she can only say and think: "Alto-kun is in danger!" Didn't even consider Sheryl any bit. >_> And oh, if anyone's planning to use the "she's young and in love card", don't bother, it's like an over-used song edging on lunacy. That scene was totally out of place. Sure, the slap sfx was there but when then the half-arsed "baka!" scream came in, it murdered the entire scene as much as when her big green ears flapped up when Michel got gutted by the bug. Three letters: WTF.
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2009-01-06, 12:31 | Link #1092 |
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It wouldn't be too far-fetched to suggest that it may also be partially due to certain standards set by her female co-star, who, after all, has basically faced the same scenarios Ranka was placed in, but has shown to approach them differently. (That said, despite this being a Ranka thread, I also find it odd that there was very little mention of Sheryl in here considering that she may be a very relevant piece to the uh, discussions right now.)
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2009-01-06, 13:26 | Link #1093 |
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Well try to say that to both parts of the char camps here. The Ranka fans got silence for a while now because they (should have) accepted the end in its way it is. But still there are some issues about her character what still is in discussion.
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2009-01-06, 13:56 | Link #1094 | ||||||
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Yes, seeing that she volunteered for that role to save Frontier from the Vajra, she should take responsibility for that role and I truly believe she herself felt responsible for the deaths because while her singing was saving the people of Frontier, it also helped destroy it with the help of Graces (and company) plan that brought the Vajra to Frontier in the first place. Like somebody once said, her singing is a gift and a curse. Again, with all that you have stated, it is still not the point that I was trying to get across because initially we were talking about how you thought that her dream was to become a tool for destroying the Vajra, which I completely disagree with. This is a quote from you Tak: Quote:
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I wouldn't say that Vajra's are non-responsive because it was revealed in episode 25 that they do have feelings and such, just different from the human race. The real problem was Grace and her manipulating ways, it was Grace that lead the Vajra to Frontier and her that used Ranka as a tool to strengthen her plan. It's not that Ranka chose Ai-kun over her friends and family, it was more that she could rely on her other friends to take care of Nanase. As for Ozma, he was no where to be found, so there wasn't much she could do about him. Besides Ranka leaving Frontier was a decision made in order to understand the Vajra's reason for attacking and her desire to find out about her past. Quote:
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2009-01-06, 15:08 | Link #1095 |
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DeX-kun why should I reply if you already written what I also mostly thought about?
But there is one thing I found out what is being interpreted wrong here. She did not volunteer to fight for Frontier moreover it was a governmental decision. After Grace has dumped Project Galactic Fairy they used to start a new experiment with Ranka. Ranka requested to be managed by Elmo again because she felt unease to be used as a tool but this has been revoked as the government took over the contract (don't ask how this is not been told). Ref.: end Episode 15 to 16 She questioned if this is correct and she did fight because the one she believed in said it's fine. One point is that she has been taken into responsibility where the government has failed to improve their arsenal. Taking Ranka is the easiest method to cover the failure of the government and lateron mark as a traitor by Leon. The other point is that due to Altos failure to decide she was not able to hear her own feelings and to discover that actually she was only singing for one person. Now the question because why she did not said not earlier I can only reply that there are two options: - If she would not do it by her own will maybe the government/Grace would have forced her somehow. Maybe confronting her with her past as in the last episodes. - She is a teenager. Child as I say they are still not able to decide if an action is wrong or right, because they were not taught or they were not ready. That is why she was easily to be manipulated. Either passive or active.
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And I seem to remember some posts of yours stating exactly the point that these are your opinions and we should leave them alone - and complaining about others' points and stating they were just opinions, as well. So, really, what's the point?
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2009-01-06, 16:08 | Link #1097 | ||||
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As for Ranka volunteering, well you have an interesting take on this but I still consider her volunteering, I mean Leon did ask her for her consent. Ranka thought about it and decided to do it for her friends and Ozma of course, and she needed another opinion, hence Alto's conversation in her room. Yeah, Ranka felt bad that she left Elmo by himself and abandoned him, still it was her fault for agreeing to sing but then again, it's not like she knew that her contract would have been taken over by the government. The government didn't really give Ranka all the details and that's pretty much how real life is especially now a days. Quote:
I do agree though that if the situation had gotten worse, then it probably would have ended up with the government forcing Ranka to sing for Frontier because there wouldn't be any options left, it would be a decision for survival if anything. Even if she is just a teenager I don't think that it would have anything to do with her ability to decide what's right or wrong, I mean I hope by the age of 16 most people can differentiate between right and wrong. Maybe it wasn't exactly what you meant to say but if you could elaborate a little more I would like to read your view on this subject matter. What really made Ranka easy to manipulate in my opinion was just her emotional stability at that moment, remember that she has sensitive memory that she was just beginning to get back. Grace used her mother and that small memory that she recently attained against her, and to Grace's advantage. It also didn't help that her real brother, Brera was there spamming fallacy into her mind. Edit: Quote:
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In the end, we are shown how Ranka's responsibility as a songstress of war only clashes with her intention, that her heart isn't in the right place for such a responsibility. And because of this, she isn't able to carry the burden, and fails. Quote:
Like Dex-kun said, labeling Ranka as a mere teenager doesn't absolve her of knowing what's right or wrong. She was manipulated by Grace just as easily as Sheryl was. Their respective situation enabled Grace to make the right moves, but in the end, it's through how these characters get up from their ordeal and cope with the crap that is come after that they are judged. |
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If you start viewing from where she was "contracted" by Leon then it's that what I've posted. Btw. regarding Elmo. It was Grace who made the formalities on behalf of the government. Now if Frontier is still on state of emergency, then the government will also have the legal rights to take over contracts for purpose of safety. Or at least say it was declared as such. Quote:
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--- Btw. BetoJR: I hope I do not get it wrong now but I don't get it quite why Ranka wish to be Sheryl and not to be like Sheryl. If I use to be, then this means Ranka would also adapt her bad manors. Do I get it wrong now or is this what you really want to say? Yes she wants to be like Sheryl and she tells that in the early episodes but to be exactly like Sheryl is a goal she can never reach and she mentioned that too.
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