General Zoan Discussion Thread (manga)

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by yakumo-chan

I think phoenix is the strongest Zoan....

since devil fruit user cant swim... what will happen if you eat the Zoan fruit of fish?
that would be totally useless...

The strongest zoan we've seen is Sengoku's 'Buddha' devil fruit ability, and most probably Marco since his is also pretty powerful in its own way, and rare.

[White Silver King]

I concur with MihawkXGP. Budda is definitely the strongest Zoan we've seen. Marco's own power makes his fruit strong, but Sengoku's fruit gives him that shockwave ability that had enough juice to take out the entire BB crew in one shot.

[Prinnydood]

I'd prefer Marco's over any of the other ones out there because it's just so awesomeeee! It's like the epicness of logia mixed with the power of zoan. There isn't much that's known about Sengoku's fruit, but still the shockwave ability is pretty cool just wish we could of seen more action from it though.

[C.A.]

People always seem to forget that the rarest Zoan we've seen so far is actually the Ancient Zoan of Drake X, he's a freaking dinosaur.

If we follow what Chopper said about Lucci being a carnivore gives him much greater strength and aggressiveness than herbivores, I'm sure Drake X must be insanely strong. Even in human form, he parried and deflected Urouge and Killer who were charging head on, with just one arm for each man. He was able to bite a Pacifista with so much crushing force that it started bleeding. Even Zoro had problem cutting through the armour and no one else had dealt a blow strong enough to cause a Pacifista to bleed.

Hybrid form of Zoans are supposed to be the strongest form, I can't wait to see what he can do, a dual wielding dinosaur man with awesome headgear. He's definitely my favourite Zoan and Supernova, not counting Luffy and Zoro.

[Blackbeard D. Kuma]

Originally Posted by White Silver King

I concur with MihawkXGP. Budda is definitely the strongest Zoan we've seen. Marco's own power makes his fruit strong, but Sengoku's fruit gives him that shockwave ability that had enough juice to take out the entire BB crew in one shot.

Wrong. BB and his crew easily withstood Sengoku's shockwave. They were still fighting throughout the war until Shanks put a stop to it.

Originally Posted by C.A.

People always seem to forget that the rarest Zoan we've seen so far is actually the Ancient Zoan of Drake X, he's a freaking dinosaur.

Mythical Zoans are even rarer than Logias, as stated by Kizaru. Prior to that point in the story, since it was established that Logias were the rarest, by extension that means Mythical Zoans are the rarest abilities to obtain in the One Piece universe.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by C.A.

People always seem to forget that the rarest Zoan we've seen so far is actually the Ancient Zoan of Drake X, he's a freaking dinosaur.

If we follow what Chopper said about Lucci being a carnivore gives him much greater strength and aggressiveness than herbivores, I'm sure Drake X must be insanely strong. Even in human form, he parried and deflected Urouge and Killer who were charging head on, with just one arm for each man. He was able to bite a Pacifista with so much crushing force that it started bleeding. Even Zoro had problem cutting through the armour and no one else had dealt a blow strong enough to cause a Pacifista to bleed.

While I'll have to agree with Blackbeard D. Kuma on correcting you about which is the rarest Zoan-type, I am with you on wanting to see more of X Drake and his dino fruit. I'm especially curious to see if he's even able to achieve an Awakened state with his power.....

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Mythical Zoans are even rarer than Logias, as stated by Kizaru. Prior to that point in the story, since it was established that Logias were the rarest, by extension that means Mythical Zoans are the rarest abilities to obtain in the One Piece universe.

Yea I know it is stated in universe that mythical Zoans are the rarest, but from what we've seen as a viewer, the least occurring Zoan type is the Ancient Zoan.

We've only seen one Ancient Zoan in the form of Drake's theropod, but we already saw two mythical Zoans in a single battle.

Originally Posted by marvelB

While I'll have to agree with Blackbeard D. Kuma on correcting you about which is the rarest Zoan-type, I am with you on wanting to see more of X Drake and his dino fruit. I'm especially curious to see if he's even able to achieve an Awakened state with his power.....

He would be monstrous as an Awakened Zoan, we've only seen herbivorous Awakened Zoans so far and they're already extremely strong.

Oda also stated long ago that a human eating a human Zoan fruit would be enlightened and have great intelligence, I guess that time he already had an idea for Sengoku's Buddha. While we haven't really been shown how intelligent and enlightened Sengoku is, I guess his reputation of being resourceful as a strategist comes from his increased intelligence. Maybe if he ever gets an Awakened form he may become truly enlightened lol

[Shingai-san]

Anyone else think that Vegapunk might have consumed the Hito Hito no Mi: Human model?

[randomlex]

Originally Posted by marvelB

While I'll have to agree with Blackbeard D. Kuma on correcting you about which is the rarest Zoan-type, I am with you on wanting to see more of X Drake and his dino fruit. I'm especially curious to see if he's even able to achieve an Awakened state with his power.....

Now that's an idea! He's already super strong - if he's able to achieve the awakened state, he'd be top tier right away (he already was a rear admiral, so he was pretty strong already). By the way, an awakened Phoenix would be even more awesome - imagine a huge, unkillable flying fire bird... and I used to think Marco was lame ...

[randomlex]

Originally Posted by Shingai-san

Anyone else think that Vegapunk might have consumed the Hito Hito no Mi: Human model?

Yeah, I'm thinking that too - how else would one man be able to come up with all of these crazy/amazing ideas (that are supposed to be 500 years beyond anyone else's understanding or something like that).

On the other hand, Sengoku doesn't seem all that enlightened to me, having eaten a Hito Hito no Mi and all...

[gaurun]

Originally Posted by Shingai-san

Anyone else think that Vegapunk might have consumed the Hito Hito no Mi: Human model?

maybe Hito Hito no Mi : Einstein model?

[Undertaker]

Originally Posted by Shingai-san

Anyone else think that Vegapunk might have consumed the Hito Hito no Mi: Human model?

Chopper's Hito Hito no Mi is the Human Model.

[Colecham]

I saw a few people talking how Zoan users only have 3 transformations (Though the activated zoan is 4), and for most that is true. But I think anyone, with practice, can use many more. Chopper used the rumble ball at first... but in recent episodes, we've seen him use Guard Point with no rumble ball at all.
I believe that zoans can be extremely powerful, but as in every other type, it takes practice.
I also saw a bunch of people wishing for an aquatic zoan... Are you rere?? Dude, the whole point of Devils Fruit powers, is that you get huge power, with a huge drawback...
I actually think it's incredibly stupid that the admiral gets to freeze water and walk/bike over it... It's cheap...
Their entire world is water... That's how the DF equals out...


As for spiders.. Origumo... One of the navy soldiers has shown that he is a spider or arachnid zoan

[Colecham]

Originally Posted by marvelb

while i'll have to agree with blackbeard d. Kuma on correcting you about which is the rarest zoan-type, i am with you on wanting to see more of x drake and his dino fruit. I'm especially curious to see if he's even able to achieve an awakened state with his power.....

godzilla!!!!!

[gazawraith]

Originally Posted by marvelB

While I'll have to agree with Blackbeard D. Kuma on correcting you about which is the rarest Zoan-type, I am with you on wanting to see more of X Drake and his dino fruit. I'm especially curious to see if he's even able to achieve an Awakened state with his power.....

be good to see if any of the other Zoan-Fruit users have done the same as Chopper with unlocking another 4 forms. or at least an extra 1 or 2. I guess zoans using more than 3 forms is like Luffy learning gears 2 and 3.

I'm only guessing but Chopper being a reindeer/human seems much less deadly than a dinosaur/human.

[gazawraith]

Originally Posted by Colecham

I actually think it's incredibly stupid that the admiral gets to freeze water and walk/bike over it... It's cheap...
Their entire world is water... That's how the DF equals out...

Also, Brook was seen running on water. there's all kind of exploits out there, I dont think its stupid.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Colecham

I saw a few people talking how Zoan users only have 3 transformations (Though the activated zoan is 4), and for most that is true. But I think anyone, with practice, can use many more. Chopper used the rumble ball at first... but in recent episodes, we've seen him use Guard Point with no rumble ball at all.
I believe that zoans can be extremely powerful, but as in every other type, it takes practice.

I'm not sure Chopper can be used as an example of the potential of devil fruits. Considering the rumble ball, it seems more likely that chopper's additional transformations did not come from practice, but through medical tampering; Basically Chopper figured out a way to create a medicine that would make his rumble ball state permanent. No amount of practice could give a Zoan user additional transformations; it can only be achieved through science. We can't be sure until we see otherwise

Though thinking about it, i wonder if it could be that chopper's "monster point" could actually be his awakened form. If that were the case then it might lend evidence of Zoan users being able to have more control over their power since that would mean all of the awakened zoans would have achieved what chopper did with his rumble balls. If those zoans could achieve "monster point", then why not anything else that chopper could do? in that sence, that would mean chopper found a short dut with the rumble ball and that he did just learn to control it proper all on his own in the 2 years

[gazawraith]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

I'm not sure Chopper can be used as an example of the potential of devil fruits. Considering the rumble ball, it seems more likely that chopper's additional transformations did not come from practice, but through medical tampering; Basically Chopper figured out a way to create a medicine that would make his rumble ball state permanent. No amount of practice could give a Zoan user additional transformations; it can only be achieved through science. We can't be sure until we see otherwise

Though thinking about it, i wonder if it could be that chopper's "monster point" could actually be his awakened form. If that were the case then it might lend evidence of Zoan users being able to have more control over their power since that would mean all of the awakened zoans would have achieved what chopper did with his rumble balls. If those zoans could achieve "monster point", then why not anything else that chopper could do? in that sence, that would mean chopper found a short dut with the rumble ball and that he did just learn to control it proper all on his own in the 2 years

Fine, if not through sheer training then perhaps though science (like Dr Vegapunk, his name tends to pop up everywhere) other zoan types could have been given his equivalent to the Rumble Ball. Chopper seemed to be able to make them alright and I guess Vegapunk with fundings ought to be able to make huge batches for other zoans.

I'm just saying I wouldn't cast the idea aside. I think they're out there...

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by gazawraith

Also, Brook was seen running on water. there's all kind of exploits out there, I dont think its stupid.

Thats because Brooke is very light in weight...

[gazawraith]

Originally Posted by MihawkXGP

Thats because Brooke is very light in weight...

I was reinforcing the point that its not over powered for DF users to run/walk/cycle on water. if there's an exploit then let it be.