2008-05-11, 06:58 | Link #22 |
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your description is rather vague, but in the "crazy action" department, you should try Neon Genesis Evangelion, Berserk, Baccano!
Also have a look at my list in my sig, I usually rate childish anime pretty badly so you might find a few ideas. There are exceptions though ( naruto, HxH, bleach, etc )
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2008-05-11, 20:13 | Link #23 |
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Shigurui (Crazy for death) - It was an interesting anime. It is kind of confusing and might cause some craziness, lol. <It has ALOT of violent & mature scenes>
Great Teacher Onizuka - Kind of old but original. I think this is one of the best ones out there. Golden Boy - More of an OVA, but still very good. Similar to GTO. I believe it was aired around the time of GTO(?) |
2008-05-11, 23:12 | Link #24 | |
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First off, while the core themes and material that Elfen Lied is based on are "mature", can the show really be called mature if the execution of the "deeper message" fails. I realize that Elfen Lied is a pretty beloved show amongst many of the forum's members, but it's method of shoving the "mature themes" down your throat with insipid dialogue and sub-par writing did not sit well with me. The message isn't subtle. Most people who watch it will "get it". In fact, its so obvious that its speaks to the show's pretention to maturity. Just because one of the characters was abused as a child, and we saw it, that doesn't make the story mature. Provocative, yes. Shocking, for sure. But not mature, in my opinion. Hell, there was even some symbolism thrown in for good measure (Diclonius(es) = minorities? mistreatment of them=racism/prejudice?) Don't get me wrong. I don't hate Elfen Lied. I don't even think its a bad show. In fact, for all its efforts, I can still think back fondly on my viewings of it. But for me, shows that achieve the label of "mature" must achieve a certain level of quality and subtlety that is beyond Elfen Lied. Many of the scenes throughout the show could be labeled as "childish" even. Spoiler for Elfen Lied:
In my mind, Elfen Lied could have been a great show. It had all the makings of a "mature" story, but lacked the poignancy and intelligence that truly makes a piece of fiction mature (shows I would consider "mature": some have thrown around 5 Centimeters per Second, Koi Kaze, even parts of Cowboy Bebop). |
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2008-05-11, 23:26 | Link #25 | ||
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I think we're making too many generalizations.
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2008-05-11, 23:34 | Link #26 | |
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By the way, I also was a little more aggressive in my post because its been awhile, and I missed you guys. I guess the pseudo-flame was my way of saying hello again. EDIT: I digress. FMP! is childish as a whole (save some parts of TSR), but I love it anyway. Flame me, I don't care. Last edited by mcruz1014; 2008-05-11 at 23:43. Reason: EDIT: I digress. FMP! is childish as a whole (save some parts of TSR), but I love it anyway. Flame me, I don't care. |
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2008-05-12, 00:13 | Link #27 | ||||||||
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I think I'll jump right in.
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I consider four or five of my top 13 anime to be childish in some way, and I'm proud. Most of the anime I find more enjoyable are childish, and while I place Air, Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, 5 Centimeters per Second, etc. among my favourites, I can't say they were the most enjoyable series. By the way, you also need a new sig. |
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2008-05-12, 01:53 | Link #28 |
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FMP is far beyond childish.. are we watching the same series? Perhaps Fumuffu was a bit childish, but FMP isn't. The winds of the homeland arc, was deep and epic in season 1. Hell even the first arc where Kaname was kidnapped was intense. TSR was a total mind blast, I still can't get over the crazed scientist masterbating to pictures of kittens, or how he was playing with the girls dead body and accidentally broke her neck, and lets not Forget Sousukes anger at his old nemsis *bang bang bang bang - click click click*...
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2008-05-12, 06:34 | Link #30 |
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I would try Utawarerumono if I were you. It is mostly serious, but it does have many humorous parts and there's a good deal of action.
There is also Spice and Wolf which has romance and humor, and a good deal of drama. I second the previously said choices of Baccano! and Monster.
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2008-05-12, 15:39 | Link #32 | ||
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2008-05-12, 15:57 | Link #33 |
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I am suprised that Gasaraki has not been mentioned. It represents the ultimate form of maturity: dry action that is semi-realistic without any trace of humour . Additionally, the Patlabor movies deserve a mention (I and II, especially the second film which deals with how a government/country deals with a terrorist threat.)
That being said, it is not really message that makes a show mature or not (if that was true, the first few Gundam series would all be considered fairly mature shows), rather it is the effort on the part of the director and writers (and actors) to create realistic emotions and circumstances that are similiar to real life. Despite shows such as Elfen Lied or Now and Then, Here and There having horrific incidents, there are not really mature. Rather a show such as 5 cm/sec is mature since it deals with a realistic situation in a fairly realistic manner. |
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Really? Idealism is the most childish form of thinking. One who has yet to understood how the world works is often only able to think in ideals: "make world peace!", "no more racism/sexism/religious persecution/etc.!", "no more WMD!", "stop government corruption!", "LET'S ALL MAEK T3H PURFECT WORLD!", the list goes on and on. Granted, ideals are how everyone should want the world to be like, but idealists are the only ones who actually believe it to be possible. Now before you all start labelling me as a God-hating cynic, I prefer to be called a realist like all the others who think "realist"ically. Quote:
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2008-05-13, 00:59 | Link #36 | |
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2008-05-13, 17:44 | Link #37 |
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I agree with most of these. Death note is mature, elfen lied, Kimi ga, bokura ga ita.
But one name floats in the back of my head. Koi Kaze, not once in all the years i've watched anime has a more serious anime come across my eyes. Love is a powerful thing, and this anime shows how powerful in more ways than one. |
2008-05-14, 06:56 | Link #38 | |
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You can keep your 'realism'. It's only another lens to viewing the world. |
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Take communism. Can we (who are largely from capitalist and socialist economies agree that communism isn't the most effective system? Of course, to many it was a perfect utopia on paper ("The economy needs competition to progress" arguments aside), but I'm sure we're all aware it didn't work out so well when applied. Since I ranted a bit on useless political crap... In sum, we all have ideals. Idealists are the ones who act solely upon their ideals, leaving common sense behind. People will generally rally behind idealists who have the means to carry out their ideals (Raito-kun, Ronald Reagan), often shunning those who do not (Shinji of Fate/Stay Night). And yes, Koi Kaze and stuff. |
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