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@Artful Dodger/Milan Kyuubi I also agree to disagree and yes it seems far fetched that Madara put so much risk into his plan whether he did or did not give Nagato his eyes; however Jiraiya also set out on a what he thought was a far-fetch'd (had to spell it that way haha) journey after a giant toad had told him that he had a dream... Jeez the guy in the "world between" could even be Izuna? He also had given his eyes away, guess we'll have to wait for this to plan out. Defs excited.
Also on Page 15 (this single page made the chapter awesome for me) for everyone else the two white bodysuits hanging from the Mazou anyone think that the left one resembled White Zetsu? We could be finding out his origin/creation/birth fairly soon. The one on the right though clearly foreshadowing towards Tobi with the spiral face and just the right arm. Madara mentioned on the page as Obito struggles from the bed that Hashirama's artificial body will be ripped off then it shows the suit then he says he wants him to do things for him. The white bodysuits looked more suited for an adult than child, which in turn could explain Obito's sudden growth towards Tobi vs Minato and his arm "meltingish" after being hit with a rasengan. Any other thoughts people!!? Also the reason people see plotholes is because Kishi hasn't exactly filled them yet, picking and choosing which to do first; which is making the story awesome for me. And whoever said that this is mainly for Japanese 12 year olds you sir/madam can go eat your hat. Backwards. |
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Except... The manga IS directed at 12-year olds.... This is a fact.
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2012-09-20, 03:45 | Link #88 |
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Yes I know, I just think it was more directed towards them when it started but where its developed to since I started reading it 8-9 years ago I can't see a 12 year old starting to watch this without influence from someone who had seen it. Opinion. And how come you never addressed the more important points of the post.
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i din't say that, protecting your friends is fine , but what i meant was that Obito is so much fixated only on 'protecting Rin', it sound as if Rin is just a medical nurse who tags along with them and is not even a ninja and it sounds as if she is horribly weak, protecting your friends is something you do naturally you don't have to decide or plan on it, but Obito makes it as if that is the only thing in his life to do
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and you forget that time is in motion and not at a standstill. when naruto first started it was directed at 12 year olds. and i'm sure plenty of 12 year olds read it now, but what about the '12 year olds' who started reading the manga 10 years ago? let's see, they'd be in their 20's now. the manga has clearly gotten more advanced and more for an older audience as time has passed. it still doesn't alienate young people, but it also takes into consideration the original aging fans of the series.
it's like harry potter. the first 3 or so books were very much for children, but as those children aged, so did the style and mood until the end which was pretty dark and much more for young adults. naruto is following the same pattern this just sounds to me like some fabricated excuse for you not liking the current events of the story. it has nothing to do with the age-range of the material. it's an action-adventure after all. there are plenty of stories in all mediums made for young-teens through adults that aren't mensa-level writing. i don't even mean to short change naruto here. i find it much smarter than you are giving it credit for |
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also about the homer thing. that was an example that love can be and is a legitimate reason for obito's change of heart (and i doubt that's even the only reason, but if it is, then he has good company) you can insert pretty much any Shakespearean tragedy or even comedy in there too if you want to legitimatize it further. i'm not saying kishi is on par with those writers, i'm only saying that love has been used in literature as a path to insanity, evil, etc... since the oldest classics. also, just think about the iliad and the odyssey for a moment. are those strictly for 12 year olds too? what happens in those stories that is so far advanced from naruto's story? nothing really |
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That being said, the series literally started with the main character almost getting killed by a deranged traitor, and then led to a fucked up little boy talking about killing a certain person, then a big bad was introduced who went out of his way to explain just which parts of the body he was going to carve up first. And this is not even really mentioning the body changing pedophile, the blood drenched insomniac from Sand or any of the other extremely violent (for a series meant for 12 year old kids) stories and characteristics found throughout Part I. Everything in Part II is a relatively simple escalation from Part I, and none of this reflects on the maturity of the story. You're confusing something. Kishimoto may use heady topics or subject matters, but he writes such topics for a 12 year old audience. That is the difference between how someone like Homer or Shakespeare (or even Stephen King, since he is a more worthwhile comparison) uses certain themes versus how Kishimoto uses the same themes (admittedly, all were written for a specific audience, and all were written for entertainment, but it is easy to see that Homer and Shakespeare's and even King's writing is significantly elevated from Kishimoto's.) Last edited by james0246; 2012-09-20 at 13:46. |
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2012-09-20, 13:30 | Link #100 |
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We still don't know in what state was Madara's body left after his defeat against the 1st hokage. It could be that he was always stuck to that life supporting device, not only when he was already an old man.
Now that i think of it, it seems that this manga was more mature at the very beginning: that was the last time Kishimoto had the balls to kill off a child, who was named Haku. Not only his death but also his whole life story was more mature than most of the stuff in the manga. |
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