2006-05-24, 13:23 | Link #1061 | |
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Somehow I doubt she'd be able to fully control her powers even if she knew about them, to me they seem pretty random and subconcious. |
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2006-05-24, 13:32 | Link #1062 | |
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You know that was the Ide doing the exploding at the end of both clips not Haruhi, right? Just checking. This makes me happy that I've helped yet another person enjoy the classics. I am slightly biased towards the classics so I'll always like them better than most new stuff. Well Nimu Kanryou I guess. Yes once you've finally understand the power of the Ide, you'll forget all about Haruhi (probably). |
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2006-05-24, 13:39 | Link #1063 | |
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Back to Ideon discussion: I've played FFinal and @3 before, so I know of Ideon's powers, but honestly its the only 1 anime I dare not watch. Not sure why, maybe its infamous fatality rates is too high for me, I'd watch the blood and death of V Gundam and Elfen Lied over it. Well Ideon's powers are physical and follows physics up to certain levels. Haruhi's powers totally negates reality and for that she can do whatever she wants.
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2006-05-24, 13:48 | Link #1064 | |
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Look you honestly don't seem to understand or are in denial so I'll try again. The Ide has existed since before the creation of the universe, it exists outside the realm of physics and can interfere in our reality anytime it chooses (such as the end of the series). It chooses not to for the most part unless something disturbs the order of the universe in which case it interferes to set things right (From: The Legend of The Ide a folktale in Buff Clan legend were a man eats from the symbolic fruit of the Ide Tree to defeat a terrible monster and temporarily gains powers very similar to Haruhi's to defeat the monster and restore order to the universe which means replacing what the monster destroyed, this legend actually turns out to be true). I don't understand where you got the idea that the Ide operates within the domain of physics (The Black Hole Creator [not really a black whole but erasing the enemies from the dimension] is a good example). Sorry for the off topic post but I had to clear up a discrepancy about one of my favorite series. |
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2006-05-24, 14:16 | Link #1065 |
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classics are good. My favourite was and still is the original Macross TV series, love every bit of it.
As for the power dispute, Yuki race rules the physical, i suspect superior members of her species could bend anything in the physical realm to their will, but not on the grand scale that Haruhi can, and so effortlessly.
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2006-05-24, 14:40 | Link #1067 |
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Well, if the world really was created by Haruhi and the very existance of the universe and time was started by her and she has all control over it, she basically holds all fate and destiny.
If anyone has to take on Haruhi, it will be that their existance is set by Haruhi and their fate rests at her hands. And if the world really is Haruhi's dream, her 'death' in this dream will only be a nightmare to her. She will wake up from this nightmare in her own reality while everything in her dream is lost, destroyed or simply cease existance. Since everything in a universe has to exist as a whole, her awakening would probably take out this dimension. When the 3rd dimension disappears, the remaining 10 dimensions will collapse into the void and an entire universe will totally cease to exist.
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2006-05-24, 14:43 | Link #1068 | |
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Take notice that for The Data Entity, matter, energy, time, and every other aspect of the universe are seem just as DATA. With that in mind, the obvious different between Haruhi and The Data Entity is that Haruhi can creat data from scratch, and The Data Entity can only alter already existing data. At least it's what Yuki said to Kyon.
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2006-05-24, 14:57 | Link #1069 | |
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2006-05-24, 15:00 | Link #1070 |
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As for the length of the series, I am perfectly satisfied with 14. Not that there isn't enough material, but I really like the tightness of a one-season series. Even many 26-episode series tend to get draggy and confused. And longer series end up being addictive money-pumps, rather than art. EDIT: But I do agree that KyoAni is probably losing money by not making a longer series.
And I do have to say to Kaioshin-Sama that while I agree about the classics, I disagree completely about Haruhi. Haruhi is not just a bitch, she is a person. Look inside her, and feel the rich sadness. She just gets more and more interesting, to me. Good as it is, Galactic Heroes is so much less subtle and interesting than this show. But I will certainly make a point of looking at more of it, and at other classics that I haven't seen yet.
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2006-05-24, 15:17 | Link #1071 | |
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You have no connection with the show at all, Haruhi not making the world a better place? You probably don't know what SOS means. Nobody said they don't appreciate classics, on the other hand, theres people who knows how to appreciate even the latest.
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2006-05-24, 15:28 | Link #1072 |
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I like the show, but I don't like Haruhi's character. Sorry its hard to identify with such a mean character. I'm saying that right now she's a very one-dimensional character aside from the brief period in the latest episode where she spent time with Kyon in the cave. I know that SOS stands is supposed to Save The World by overloading it with fun. Has she done that, no as Kyon points out on a constant basis, she has done nothing of the sort, she's simply made everyone's life who she has come into contact with miserable (The computer club president, Kyon, Mikuru, pretty much the entire school). Maybe she thinks she's making the world more fun but almost everyone else is miserable. If the misery of others is what keeps her satisified and her depression satiated then she's honestly a terrible person. I'm honestly not trolling, I hope you can believe me, I don't like her character at all.
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2006-05-24, 15:41 | Link #1073 | |
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Aren't many characters of many shows like this? Starting out to be one-dimensional and utterly annoying -- look at Now and Then, Here and There, Eureka 7... or basically any show that employs either a bildungsroman technique of a "coming-to-age" story, or a "gradual unfolding" of character technique. Already in episode 8 you can see some of the hesitancy and softness of Haruhi in both her concern of Kyon and also her genuine concern that there was really a murder. But yes, most of the times she seems mostly like a meathead in a chinashop.. I predict that Haruhi's "dere"-ness will increasingly come to the fore as the story progresses. But if it doesn't, then I will probably hold a similar but much milder attitude parallel to yours. I don't think she's mean; maybe narrow-minded (in a focused sort of way) and desperate (to find fun). In the course of that she might annoy and even hurt others (like the many guys that she "accepted" and dumped)... still, "mean" is not exactly the right word to characterize her. |
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2006-05-24, 15:44 | Link #1074 | |
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2006-05-24, 15:44 | Link #1075 |
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Well, why do you think she created the organisation in the first place?
In her point of view, she thinks that espers, aliens and time travellers are interesting and its a joyful thing to have contact with them. She wants everyone to be happy. Everyone knows that her actions are not acceptable by normal humans and she has no control of herself. She certainly cares for people too, just that most of the time she does it the wrong way. Why is that? Because of what she is and nobody willing to risk telling her what she can do and nobody dares to stop her, she ends up doing the wrong things. Shes a good person at heart, everything shes doing is for SOS dan and benefit of the world. Just that shes doing it wrong and nobody is allowed or able to stop or change her. edit: Kaoru Chujo said it right that shes a character that deserves sympathy.
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2006-05-24, 15:49 | Link #1076 | |
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Please don't put her on a pedestal. I mean, for analysis : p Haruhiists can do whatever they want.. |
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2006-05-24, 15:51 | Link #1077 | |
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2006-05-24, 17:02 | Link #1078 | |
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Alright lets call a truce on the whole "God" thing, no matter how unlikely it is and wait for the novel too pan out as any indication of her being god has yet to be seen, its just pure speculation by Itsuki at this point who has a better safe than sorry attitude. Spoiler:
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2006-05-24, 17:17 | Link #1079 |
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In all honesty, Haruhi's 'meaness' IS the major draw for me. Her one-mindedness at having fun at any and all costs makes her a big departure from the two most used female archetypes in anime: a) the sweet, kind, and upbeat heroine (ala Mikuru) or b) the emotionless ice queen (ala Yuki). While I do not mind the archetypes' countless reincarnations, and yes, I still enjoy these archetypes if they're done well if my love of KKM is of any indication, having an anti-heroine of sorts as the protagonist this time around is a nice breath of fresh air.
Would I like to be a friend to such a character in real life? Hell no, just like I wouldn't want to be in the same room as Darth Vader. But like the ol' masked man himself, their not-so-pure deeds are the things that makes their characters interesting because they are fictional characters. In fact, for me, Haruhi's selfishness makes her more human than the rest of the cast, even more so than Kyon. After all, who hasn't met a bully (or god forbid, been one) when they were in school? And her character makes sense. If one is gifted in practically everything one does, to the point where one excels without putting too much effort, wouldn't one find every ordinary thing in the world kind of dull? That's the way I see Haruhi. Does it excuse her 'evil' actions? No way Jose, and thus I can see why some people would get turned off by her 'my fun before anyone else's' attitude. But if that's what makes her a one-dimensional character, then I'd rather her be that rather than be a fickle character who doesn't follow her beliefs (however muddled or convoluted it might be) if by chance the directors shows her helping someone just for the sake of helping them. In fact, if KyoAni did that without reasonable background, I would be the first to say that they would've ruined Haruhi's character, and by extension, the entire show itself. Don't get me wrong. I like the classics, as SDF Macross had been my favorite anime for the longest time, only relatively recently dethroned by Juuni Kokki. But as of now, I try to judge an anime by its own merits rather than comparing it to shows of yesteryear. I mean, I can go on and on about this show not being as deep and immersive as Macross or 12K, but that kind of mindset would not only detract a lot of fun from this particular show, but also anime-watching in general.
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2006-05-24, 17:25 | Link #1080 |
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I don't know, if someone asked about it, before..
I just started today, and I'm currently watching the fourth episode (they play baseball). Is this really the fourth episode? It is very confusing, because there is a new character and they are talking about things, I don't know of. Is the whole Anime that confusing, concerning the order of the episodes? Or does it get clear, soon? PS: Well, it's okay. The preview cleared everything. Gomen. ^^'' |
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