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Tyabann · 2008-03-06, 02:39

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Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

I guess so.

We've derived this much from the great work of the fanartist. Why stop now?

orz.

I just got the great idea of Kyon-ko, right before Yuuki busts in, making a comment about how ironic it is that the only guy to ever hit on her is about to gut her with a wakazashi.

Or something like that.

Legacy|iB · 2008-03-06, 02:40

...!

How the HELL did I miss this one?!

EDIT: Okay, a little off topic from the current discussion, but I got excited when I saw it.

panzerfan · 2008-03-06, 02:41

Asakura... trying to hit on me like a road roller and eat me like gutted fish. Nagato is really my St.Michael or some patron saint. What a relief.

or something like that?

Tyabann · 2008-03-06, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Legacy|iB

...!

How the HELL did I miss this one?!

Okay, a little off topic, but I got excited when I saw it.

The reason we're all here, in a nutshell.

Man, I need sleep.

Signing off now. See you guys in the morning.

DJ_RockmanX · 2008-03-06, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

orz.

I just got the great idea of Kyon-ko, right before Yuuki busts in, making a comment about how ironic it is that the only guy to ever hit on her is about to gut her with a wakazashi.

Or something like that.

Creative inspiration will strike you when it needs to.

What will the idle banter with Yuuki be like before the two guys go head-to-head in an interface deathmatch?

panzerfan · 2008-03-06, 02:43

Not any different than YUKI.N> with <gender>female</gender> selected... at least to me.
You'll wind up with that psudo-query.

Nagato unfortunately has other things to mourn about, such as how that he's... size wise, unable to compete against Asahina-san.

DJ_RockmanX · 2008-03-06, 02:45

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Originally Posted by panzerfan

Not any different than YUKI.N> with <gender>female</gender> selected... at least to me.
You'll wind up with that psudo-query.

Well I'm talking more about Kyon-chan's reaction and thoughts and stuff. I'm sure there'll be a hilarious moment somewhere in there.

Edit: I'm gonna take off as well. Have fun.

Jintor · 2008-03-06, 02:47

Right, pulling an editjob on Kaisos' stuff.

Spoiler for Length:

Honestly Kaisos there isn't really that much to edit. Just some rearrangement of phrases and spacing, italics for emphasis maybe. If you don't like anything feel free to sandblast me.

dkellis · 2008-03-06, 03:03

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Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Meanwhile, on Kyon-chan: Can I have a short summary on her mental processing style?

Personally, I'm operating under the idea that she's a toned-down version of the people who post in Fandom Wank (warning: bad language). If anything, she's likely to be more snarky than Male Kyon. After just under a decade in female-oriented fandoms, I have no illusions about women being "more gentle" when it comes to snark.

In short, Kyon-chan is going to be well-read, fairly intelligent, very snarky, and probably more willing to insult the others to their faces. She's also probably going to be harder to crack than Male Kyon, in the sense that while Male Kyon might be swayed by Yuki and definitely smitten with Mikuru, Kyon-chan would probably resist Yuuki and Mitsuru's charms significantly.

My primary problem with writing Kyon-chan (or Male Kyon, for that matter) is that while I get and undersand the vast majority of the science-fiction stuff he talks about, the Japanese culture/history/literature stuff I'm completely lost with. So I can easily pepper in references to Heinlein (not that I want to, mind) or Hofstadter, but Japanese naval victories would be beyond me.

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Edit1: how can Kyon-ko agree to go to Yuki's apartment btw? He abduct her or something? Any1 have a suitable answer yet?

In my interpretation, Yuuki told Kyon-chan to. Kyon-chan decided to take a chance and trust that Yuuki would not do anything inappropriate, since he seemed completely uninterested in anything other than reading.

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Typical male characters in anime are worthless, castrated snots like Yuji Sakai.

Sadly enough, I actually like Yuji Sakai as a character.

-

I'll be rewriting the Asakura-with-knife scene to be Asakura-with-sword, since that seems to be the new consensus. (Like I said, I have no problems with a sword per se, but I just need a reason why I should be writing it. If group consensus wants Asakura to assault Kyon-chan with a rabid weasel, that's what I'm writing.) While I'm at it, I might take a shot at the prologue as well.

I'm not going to be "competing" with Kaisos or anything, but just providing an alternate take.

Which reminds me of the topic I was going to raise last night:

I'm writing this genderswap fanfic in order to explore how the series would be different with the flip. This provides a certain tension between originality and faithfulness to the source: I should be writing in the style of the original canon as much as possible, but just copy-and-pasting whole chunks of the novels feels very wrong to me.

Where possible, I'll be erring on the side of originality. I'll read the novel translations, fix the events in my head, and then write my own version of it. If it doesn't quite match, well, mine is but one alternate interpretation of events.

I realize that I'm justifying myself a lot more than I probably should, but I'm not used to writing a fanfic in an environment which attempts to codify everything into a single "official" fanon.

Raijinken · 2008-03-06, 03:05

Huh, just thought of something.

Alright, this is far off, but whatever, I want to see what everybody does to it.

I'm probably not as well read as the rest of you, but if I have my plot straight, somewhere along the line, Kyon wakes up in a world without Haruhi, where her existance seems to have been wiped out. And suddenly Itsuki, Mikuru and Yuki (Oh god, moe Yuki) are all normal.

And Yuki has become Kyon's aparent fantasy from what she's observed, an adorable moe girl who blushes and speaks softly and smiles small little smiles and you just want to squeeze her and never let go and...

*Ahem* (Files away mental pictures for future observation)

Point is, what would Kyo-loli (Lawlz) want in a man? Yuki became what she would believe Kyon would want, so it stands to reason that Yuuki would do the same.

I don't think that Kyonko would like the same sort of fantasy her male half would, considering the romantically indifferent attitude she's going to have toward Mitsuru.

Chances are strong and silent. Perhaps cool and witty, or something like that. Moreover it could possibly be related to the fetish that might or might not had been decided earlier. I think I recall asking that question myself, but I don't know if an answer got there, because somewhere inbetween that post and my work shift, there was like three or four new pages and I don't have a lot of time left before I tuck in for snoozer time.

For Yuuki inspiration... maybe everybody should have a round of Ouran?

dkellis · 2008-03-06, 03:24

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Originally Posted by Raijinken

Point is, what would Kyo-loli (Lawlz) want in a man?

Someone who's interested in her, probably.

Yuki's aloofness became shyness, and suddenly the dynamics changed. If Yuuki went through the same alterations, I'm thinking that it would fit about as well.

Jintor · 2008-03-06, 03:40

dkellis: I share your pain.

GDOG · 2008-03-06, 03:50

Hmm, this idea has intrigued and scared me both, but everyone here is doing a great job with it, so I've found myself drawn up into everything as well. And since I'm barely in time for it (and since I don't think I've seen it here before):

Pretty fitting for the elder version of male Mikuru I think. Also, I could be going out on a limb here, but I imagine a personality that is a little like Kaji from Evangelion: the joker with a heart of gold, a guy that while never seeming to be serious except on very rare and dire occasions, has a heart of gold and always wants the best for the people he cares about.

Bean Bandit · 2008-03-06, 04:05

A suggestion for the Computer Club Scene:

If we're having an all female computer club, then I don't think a direct translation will work. Feeding Mitsuru to the (She) Wolves doesn't read quite the same with the genders flipped. And, while I applaud the decision to stick as close to the original scene as possible, scenes like this need to be reimagined, In my opinion.

Consider the motivation. Haruki needs blackmail material to get what he wants (Namely, a computer). What would an all female computer club be afraid of?

Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

Dammit, I've been resisting the urge to try my hand at some artwork (It's hard not to be intimidated by the quality stuff we're getting) but I really wanna try drawing Kyon-chan...

Shinn87 · 2008-03-06, 04:19

http://atalude.files.wordpress.com/2...-syuugeki1.jpg
http://atalude.wordpress.com/files/2...-syuugeki2.jpg

Serious business Ryo is serious.

Keroko · 2008-03-06, 04:28

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Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

I'll also list the names on the top post as well. The only one we haven't really come to agreement on is Kyon-ko.

I'm personally against leaving it as 'Kyon' or simply 'Kyon-chan.' Like Dkellis said, its a wise idea to have the names be different to avoid confusion between the two. Every time someone writes Kyon I automatically think of the guy, not the girl. Kyon may be a nickname of itself, but its all how we know the guy best, it's virtually his real name to us.

The reason I'm not to fond of Kyon-chan is because sufixes themselves can be used for comical or logical events, which would mean she could get the -kun suffix attached, which would double confusion. Not to mention that some characters don't use sufixes at all, leaving us with the confusion mentioned above.

So yeah, I'm still voting for Kyonko. It's clear whom the original is, and there is no threat of suffix confusion.

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Originally Posted by X207

wow this thread was made less than a week ago and its already so popular o.o .

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

THIS TOPIC IS TOO FAST.

SLOOOW DOOWN.

(But then it's all like "SCREW YOU!" and kick you in the face with its ENERGY LEGS!)

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Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

And we have 400 posts in 4 days!

If that's not the description of hot, I don't know what is!

Yes, keep this up and it may catch up to the biggest thread on animesuki (which currently stands on 21480 posts

)

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Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

- Something tells me Kyon-chan's gonna have a harder time resisting Haruki than Kyon does with Haruhi. But she'll try her best!

With the higher amount of romantic innuendo, that's bound to happen.

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Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

- I'm torn between how we should divvy up maid duties. Asahina's still the prime candidate, but Kyon-chan looks so good in the maid outfit, and I've seen Itsuki-chan cosplay raping Kyon-chan already.

I don't see a reason why Haruki wouldn't force both Mitsuru and Kyonko into maid outfits. Although we do need a good reason for Kyonko to actually agree wearing them.

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Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

What is the plan with the Computer Club? Force them to grab "Down there" on Misuuru?

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Originally Posted by Bean Bandit

A suggestion for the Computer Club Scene:

If we're having an all female computer club, then I don't think a direct translation will work. Feeding Mitsuru to the (She) Wolves doesn't read quite the same with the genders flipped. And, while I applaud the decision to stick as close to the original scene as possible, scenes like this need to be reimagined, In my opinion.

Consider the motivation. Haruki needs blackmail material to get what he wants (Namely, a computer). What would an all female computer club be afraid of?

Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

Dammit, I've been resisting the urge to try my hand at some artwork (It's hard not to be intimidated by the quality stuff we're getting) but I really wanna try drawing Kyon-chan...

If I recall, even the president didn't have a grilfriend, Kyon suspected that it was all a setup by Yuki (at least in the anime).

To have the president grab Mitsuru down there sounds like a good start. Afterwards, Haruki can still kick the president so she lands on top of Mitsuru. Girl or guy, sexual harassment is still sexual harassment, and with someone as meek as Mitsuru being the victim, vote of confidence will most likely sway in Haruki's favor.

Kang Seung Jae · 2008-03-06, 04:32

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Originally Posted by Shinn87

http://atalude.files.wordpress.com/2...-syuugeki1.jpg
http://atalude.wordpress.com/files/2...-syuugeki2.jpg

Serious business Ryo is serious.

0_0

That's very serious.... and I love it >_>

Thanks for the translation. Now to use it for the Korean market.

LobsterHime · 2008-03-06, 04:39

i made this late last night but didnt have an account here to post about it.

http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/The_Gen...aruhi_Suzumiya

its very basic and incomplete even when the thread only had 16 pages last night but i hope more editors can expand upon that. currently images can't be uploaded otherwise i would have posted character pics and the translated 4koma, etc.

dkellis · 2008-03-06, 04:47

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Originally Posted by Bean Bandit

Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.)

I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague.

Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads)

I'm not sure if "Lesbian Rapist Computer Club" is going to be that much of blackmail material. I mean, look at the responses in general to Haruhi's domination of Mikuru. The Fujoshi Computer Club are going to be scorned for their interests anyway, so it's going to take a lot more than that to surpass that.

I don't know how to deal with this myself. I'm leaning more towards a bribe rather than blackmail, with the Computer Club members regretting the trade soon afterwards, but I'm not sure how that would work.

On another note, how powerful does a computer need to be for graphics work like doujin-making?

Bean Bandit · 2008-03-06, 05:04

Ah, curse this thread. Muse won't settle down.

Well, I imagine I'm just embarrassing myself (I really don't practice enough to have any kind of pride-Even as I look at this now, I'm noticing more and more mistakes.) But even if it's just to contribute somehow, I'll toss it in.

Please be gentle.

2008-03-06, 02:40	Link #482
Legacy\|iB Calgary Flames Fan Join Date: Mar 2008	...! How the HELL did I miss this one?! EDIT: Okay, a little off topic from the current discussion, but I got excited when I saw it. Last edited by Legacy\|iB; 2008-03-06 at 02:42. Reason: Needed to add something

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panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	Asakura... trying to hit on me like a road roller and eat me like gutted fish. Nagato is really my St.Michael or some patron saint. What a relief. or something like that? __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2008-03-06, 02:43	Link #486
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	Not any different than YUKI.N> with <gender>female</gender> selected... at least to me. You'll wind up with that psudo-query. Nagato unfortunately has other things to mourn about, such as how that he's... size wise, unable to compete against Asahina-san. __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2008-03-06, 02:47	Link #488
Jintor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Land Down Under Age: 32	Right, pulling an editjob on Kaisos' stuff. Spoiler for Length: When did I stop believing in Santa Claus? In truth, I can say that sort of question doesn't hold any real significance for me. But if you were to ask me when I stopped believing that the old man in the red costume was Santa, then I can confidently say I have never, ever believed in Santa Claus. I knew that the Santa who appeared at my preschool Christmas party was a fraud; when I sat in his lap, I didn't feel the eyes of a kindly old man on me. In fact, it was a little creepy to be sitting in the lap of some random old guy and espousing your deepest wishes. I guess I was already wise enough to question the existence of an old man who worked only on Christmas. It was a long time later, though, before I realised that aliens, time-travellers, magical girls, demons and espers like you see in crazy special-effects filled cartoons didn't exist either. No, wait... I probably did realise. I just didn't want to admit it. Deep inside my heart I wanted those aliens, time-travellers, magical girls, demons, espers, and evil organisations to suddenly pop up in front of me. The world of special effects and stories was way more exciting than my boring, ordinary life. I wanted to live in that world, too! I wanted my life to be filled with excitement! I wanted to be the one who got kidnapped by aliens and imprisoned in a giant bowl-like fortress. I wanted to be the one saved by the handsome prince and taken off to live in castles happily ever after. Or to be someone who could banish demons and monsters with a single spell, engage in psychic duels with evil espers and save my one true love from danger! My rational mind noted that I didn't actually have any powers, and neither did anybody I know. But hang on... what if one day, a mysterious new student transfers to my class. Except he's really an alien, or from the future, or psychic or something. Then I'll make friends with him, and his enemies (sensing a weak spot) would come and kidnap me to force him to do something! Then he'd have to come and rescue me and I could just sit back and wait! That would be awesome! Or, maybe, one day a mysterious power inside me awakens... like, telepathy or psychokenisis or something. And I'd discover that a lot of other people around the world would have similar powers, and then some sort of paranormal organization would come recruiting. I'd join up, get some sort of talking animal companion, and protect the world from evil demons and monsters! ...unfortunately, reality is rather cruel. No magical prince came to sweep me off my feet. I've never seen a UFO. My dog never talked to me, even when I fed him alphabet soup. Two hours of intense staring at my pencil didn't make it move a single millimeter, and glaring at the back of my classmate's head didn't reveal her thoughts to me, either. The normality of the world was... depressing. Eventually, I stopped searching the skies for UFOs and watching all those magical girl shows because I had finally convinced myself that weird stuff like that didn't exist. I even reached a point where eventually, all that was left was a certain sense of nostalgia for that old view of the world. After I graduated from Junior High, I also left behind my childish dreams and became completely grounded in reality. Nothing happened in 1999, even though I kept hoping, just a bit, that something would; humanity hadn't returned to the moon or gone beyond it. I guessed I'd be long dead before you could book a round trip to Alpha Centauri. And so, with these thoughts in the corner of my mind, I became a normal, carefree, Senior High-Schoolgirl. Until the day... Until the day I met Suzumiya Haruki. Honestly Kaisos there isn't really that much to edit. Just some rearrangement of phrases and spacing, italics for emphasis maybe. If you don't like anything feel free to sandblast me.

2008-03-06, 03:05	Link #490
Raijinken Victoria's secret weapon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Under a roof, and somewhere above dirt.	Huh, just thought of something. Alright, this is far off, but whatever, I want to see what everybody does to it. I'm probably not as well read as the rest of you, but if I have my plot straight, somewhere along the line, Kyon wakes up in a world without Haruhi, where her existance seems to have been wiped out. And suddenly Itsuki, Mikuru and Yuki (Oh god, moe Yuki) are all normal. And Yuki has become Kyon's aparent fantasy from what she's observed, an adorable moe girl who blushes and speaks softly and smiles small little smiles and you just want to squeeze her and never let go and... Ahem (Files away mental pictures for future observation) Point is, what would Kyo-loli (Lawlz) want in a man? Yuki became what she would believe Kyon would want, so it stands to reason that Yuuki would do the same. I don't think that Kyonko would like the same sort of fantasy her male half would, considering the romantically indifferent attitude she's going to have toward Mitsuru. Chances are strong and silent. Perhaps cool and witty, or something like that. Moreover it could possibly be related to the fetish that might or might not had been decided earlier. I think I recall asking that question myself, but I don't know if an answer got there, because somewhere inbetween that post and my work shift, there was like three or four new pages and I don't have a lot of time left before I tuck in for snoozer time. For Yuuki inspiration... maybe everybody should have a round of Ouran?

2008-03-06, 03:40	Link #492
Jintor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Land Down Under Age: 32	dkellis: I share your pain.

2008-03-06, 03:50	Link #493
GDOG Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Hmm, this idea has intrigued and scared me both, but everyone here is doing a great job with it, so I've found myself drawn up into everything as well. And since I'm barely in time for it (and since I don't think I've seen it here before): Pretty fitting for the elder version of male Mikuru I think. Also, I could be going out on a limb here, but I imagine a personality that is a little like Kaji from Evangelion: the joker with a heart of gold, a guy that while never seeming to be serious except on very rare and dire occasions, has a heart of gold and always wants the best for the people he cares about.

2008-03-06, 04:05	Link #494
Bean Bandit Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	A suggestion for the Computer Club Scene: If we're having an all female computer club, then I don't think a direct translation will work. Feeding Mitsuru to the (She) Wolves doesn't read quite the same with the genders flipped. And, while I applaud the decision to stick as close to the original scene as possible, scenes like this need to be reimagined, In my opinion. Consider the motivation. Haruki needs blackmail material to get what he wants (Namely, a computer). What would an all female computer club be afraid of? Well, One presumes that these are hyper-intellectual, and not terribly popular girls (Something of a stereotype, but bear with me.) Only the club president even has a boyfriend, right? Their social standing is pretty low. Having pictures of them molesting a boy...even a pretty one, might actually make them MORE popular in certain circles. (Some guys like that kind of thing.) I guess what I'm suggesting here is...instead of Mitsuru, Have Haruki set up Kyon-chan as the victim. Kyon will look appropriately upset (I can't imagine Mitsuru being too terribly put out by having girls touching him, rather than Haruki doing the molesting) And the Computer Club will be horrified at the prospect of the boys avoiding the Lesbian Rapist Computer Club like the plague. Alternatively, if we still want Mitsuru in the role of Victim, He must be crossdressed. It simply doesn't pack any weight as blackmail material without something that would really scare off boys. (The Computer Club has a hard enough time catching the eye of the opposite sex without that hanging over their heads) Dammit, I've been resisting the urge to try my hand at some artwork (It's hard not to be intimidated by the quality stuff we're getting) but I really wanna try drawing Kyon-chan...

2008-03-06, 04:19	Link #495
Shinn87 Death Join Date: Mar 2008	http://atalude.files.wordpress.com/2...-syuugeki1.jpg http://atalude.wordpress.com/files/2...-syuugeki2.jpg Serious business Ryo is serious.

2008-03-06, 04:39	Link #498
LobsterHime Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	i made this late last night but didnt have an account here to post about it. http://wiki.sos-dan.com/wiki/The_Gen...aruhi_Suzumiya its very basic and incomplete even when the thread only had 16 pages last night but i hope more editors can expand upon that. currently images can't be uploaded otherwise i would have posted character pics and the translated 4koma, etc.

2008-03-06, 05:04	Link #500
Bean Bandit Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Ah, curse this thread. Muse won't settle down. Well, I imagine I'm just embarrassing myself (I really don't practice enough to have any kind of pride-Even as I look at this now, I'm noticing more and more mistakes.) But even if it's just to contribute somehow, I'll toss it in. Please be gentle.