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Yet, it was disappointing for Sensata to not have been mentioned at the debates.
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2012-10-26, 23:13 | Link #1823 | |
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Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down." Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight. At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down. "We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi," she said. "Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades." The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators. Watch "Special Report Investigates: Benghazi -- New Revelations" on Fox News at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday, 3 p.m. on Sunday and 10 p.m. on Sunday. A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support. According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help. "There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on." U.S. officials argue that there was a period of several hours when the fighting stopped before the mortars were fired at the annex, leading officials to believe the attack was over. Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers. Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex. A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the U.S., finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources. The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces. Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2ATACbRmm |
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Sorry for these late replies, I've been busy fighting with Amazon's KDP staff all week over their policy on reviews...but I digress (big surprise there! When don't I digress. )
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That's my problem with both Obama and Romney, they ARE really close on not only foreign policy but also domestic issues. Let's not forget that Romney pushed for an assault weapons ban way before Obama even staked a claim to it. http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt...un_Control.htm I will NEVER support a candidate that invokes the "ban on assault weapons" since real military weapons (assault rifles) have been illegal to own without a class 3 FFL since 1934 (National Firearms Act). The militia rifles (semi-auto military look-a-likes) are protected by the 2nd amendment due to Title 10, Section 311 of the USC (militia composition and classes). Thus any politician who supports this phoney, and unconstittional, position is a hoplophobe who doesn't understand guns nor the issue. Yep. I left the Democrats in 1994 after Clinton's AWB, and became a Libertarian. I doubt I'll ever be a Republican because they're no different than the Dems IMHO. Bush the Elder passed the 1st AWB, and that was all I needed to get me to never be a Republican. I don't blame Liberals for gun-control, I blame the statists in both parties. http://reformed-theology.org/html/is...e_liberals.htm Quote:
There is a solution, but its painful and most will not be willing to do it since it involves eliminating the Federal Reserve, some government agencies (like the BATFE, DEA, DHS, TSA, and other non-essentials), cutting military spending (do we really need another super-carrier?), welfare programs (replace them with Clintonian "workfare"), and other "entitlements." No politician wants to put his/her name to these changes because of the backlash from both sides who erroneously think these things are required. We are in real financial trouble and I wonder how many people understand the full extent of it in the US. Quote:
Romney and Obama will both nominate corporatist judges. It doesn't matter whether they lean to the R or the D, they will both push us closer to the Technocratic-Fascist system we are heading for right now. We're fucked either way. The only question is do we want a rapid collapse under Obama, or would we prefer a slow painful death under Romney. Our choice is arsenic or strychnine. Quote:
He didn't change any of that as governor of Mass, and he won't change anything if he should become president. They're non-starter issues so you have nothing to worry about. Romney is a progressive-Republican, he's not a conservative. Quote:
Hell, look how many of them backed him in 2008. The only reason they're backing Romney now is because they view Romney as more of a corporate-stooge than Obama is. For you to understand the "how, and why" of American politics, you have to understand that it all revolves around the money system and the banks. I strongly suggest you read this book by Charles Lindhberg Sr. http://www.scribd.com/doc/33133194/B...A-Lindbergh-Sr Quote:
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He has lied about everything he promised. Even Lewis Farrahkan understands this, and while he does support Obama, he has publicly stated he does so with reservations over what Obama did in Libya (killing of Quaddafi). Both men are puppets for the money power in this country, you should know this, it is in the Zeitgeist movie (first one) and Peter Joseph is correct on that. Pity Peter's "solutions" are just as bad (if not worse) than the problems.
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Ah, apparently the Citizens United ruling by the SCOTUS is even more onerous than I thought. And I already think its a deathblow.
Seems that CU has been interpreted as basically permitting corporations and company owners to intimidate their employees with threats of losing their jobs if the "wrong candidate" wins. All they have to do is use "weasel words" to step around the random thorn. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/us...w-to-vote.html Quote:
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2012-10-27, 04:50 | Link #1828 |
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Obama plans immigration reform while issue remains divisive
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromth...ains-divisive/ Pretty much everything and it's opposite, at the exeption of thing than the NRA would dissagree.
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2012-10-27, 05:03 | Link #1829 | |
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"If Bryan wins on Tuesday, don't come in on Wednesday" It's the same exact lines during during the Gilded Age era politics where Big Business supported William McKinley due to their fears of William Jennings Bryan inflating the dollar through Silver coinage. And not surprisingly so many Gold bugs hawking the same ideology nowadays except doing Fed bashing. When in the end it was the Moderate Inflation through the Klondike gold rush that helped ease credit problems early 20th century. u-u Hate to break it to you, but the 111th Congress was one of the most productive legislatively in US history. Akin to Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. Things just came to a grinding halt when the Repulbicans took over the House in the 112th Congress. :/
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2012-10-27, 05:34 | Link #1830 | |
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2012-10-27, 09:32 | Link #1832 | |
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2012-10-27, 09:55 | Link #1833 |
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Question: What sort of situation would allow for the Supreme Court to pass a new ruling on Citizens United? I assume it isn't a simple process, since otherwise a lot of things would get new rulings every time a new majority was made.
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2012-10-27, 11:26 | Link #1834 |
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Well, a new lawsuit would have to be brought forward that would involve the CU ruling, presumably with enough new theory/evidence/etc. to convince the SCOTUS that there's ground to revisit the issue. the SCOTUS hears very few cases as it is, it's certainly not going to keep going back to old cases unless it sees a reason to do so.
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Jobs, better economy, end to wars, all the usual promises that he'll never keep, just like the Liar-in-chief we have in there now, and all the idiots that have been in the White House since that dip-shit LBJ took office. Quote:
If you mean productive for the Big Pharma, Agri-monopolies, the Banking Cartels, the military industrial complex, big government, and the major insurance companies; then yes, the 111th congress was a god-send for them, but for the common man they were completely stagnant just like the 112th congress is now. This is a proper analysis of the "accomplishments" of the 111th congress. Great Society? What's so fucking great about it? It's part of the reason we're in debt up to our eyeballs with no way to pay it back. No, what LBJ did was help push us down the road to socialism/statism and ultimately it has contributed to the ruin of this country. Given the power I'd do away with ALL of the Crap Society and Raw Deal progressive nonsense laws. There are ways to create safety nets and asistance designed to help people advance in life via education and better job-training programs, but neither LBJ's nor Roosevelt's policies have done this. FDR I can give a pass to, because he had no idea his policies would fail. LBJ on the other hand, should have known better. It took Bill Clinton to finally realize that workfare is better than welfare if you truly want to incentivise people to work rather than just suck off the tits of the government. Quote:
And the CE v. FEC case has been one of the most misrepresented cases (by the MSM) in recent memory. Your post shows that you don't understand the facts of the case. This is what that decision means, and nothing more or less. Sotomayor's opposition to it is smoke-and-mirrors, and nothing else. It doesn't do a damn thing to address lobbying groups, nor the people that supported her nomination. In a case that really effects people (Didden v. Village of Port Chester), Sotomayor voted in favor of corporate theft of private land through eminent domain. Kagan is the same way, which is why she had to dance around the Kelo decision when the senate questioned her on it. They're both corporate schills James, don't get fooled by the Main Stream Media's disinformation. That's not to say that Roberts, Alito, and the others aren't corporate stooges as well, because they are and their decisions reflect that. While some of their rulings benefit the citizenry on occation, the vast majority benefit Wall Street and the banks, make no mistake about this.
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Frankly, if we can't get rid of the money - get rid of the shadows, shine a huge light on who donates to these PACs.
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2012-10-27, 14:25 | Link #1837 | |
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2012-10-27, 14:37 | Link #1838 | |
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I know you are no fanclub of Romney, so I am not saying anything productive. I am just saying there is a difference between not keeping promises, and saying complete gibberish.
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2012-10-27, 14:37 | Link #1839 | ||
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So, it is going to be even more difficult to fight against those with money. The nastiest effect from Citizen's United: it completely obliterates the "separate but equal" idea.
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2012-10-27, 14:50 | Link #1840 |
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Aye, I can fatally skewer either party, but these two things are most important to me:
1) Women's social issues. This is a true difference. There is an arm of the GOP that threatens the basic status of women in society. I won't tolerate that. 2) Choosing Supreme Court justices - the Dems simply have a better track record imo on not choosing justices who have only the interests of the 0.01% in mind or who support the retrogressive social agenda. We have 2 or 3 justices likely to be replaced over the next four years.
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