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Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 17:24

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Too bad only 18+ could play them if that happens...

Uh, that's already the case? I mean not practically speaking of course, any kid who is resourceful enough will get his hands on it (I sure as hell did back then).
Hell there's non-eroge titles with graphic sex in them too, Witcher 2 comes to mind. Obviously these are fewer in number. But The Witcher 2 is probably a lot easier to get a hold of in the US, as it's also a 360 title.

Tjfarmer · 2013-01-20, 17:48

I'm not really aye or nay on ero. I don't read the porn-with-plot VNs, and when I do read the plot-with-porn ones I skip the sex scenes

If someone wants to whack it to ero, by all means, go ahead, it's kinda there for that.

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-01-20, 18:05

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Too bad only 18+ could play them if that happens...

That's why game makers usually port the games over to console if the ero version is popular enough

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This question is certainly black and white. I separate eroge and visual novels anyway because I didn't play Tsukihime for the sex scenes.

Yet they are there

hyl · 2013-01-20, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Uh, that's already the case? I mean not practically speaking of course, any kid who is resourceful enough will get his hands on it (I sure as hell did back then).
Hell there's non-eroge titles with graphic sex in them too, Witcher 2 comes to mind. Obviously these are fewer in number. But The Witcher 2 is probably a lot easier to get a hold of in the US, as it's also a 360 title.

And the Witcher 2 is rated cero Z, while not as hard to get hold off compared to eroge (not including piracy) ,those games are more restricted where they are sold.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

That's why game makers usually port the games over to console if the ero version is popular enough

I have seen some "not that popular" eroges ported to consoles , handhelds or even on IOS or android.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 18:48

Not in the US, it's rated M and everyone knows how easy it is for kids to get those.

kenjiharima · 2013-01-20, 19:32

It always depends on the genre.
But I guess in today's world...sex sells so AYE!

NoemiChan · 2013-01-20, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Uh, that's already the case? I mean not practically speaking of course, any kid who is resourceful enough will get his hands on it (I sure as hell did back then).

I'm concern for the general consumers. Adding ero in visual novels except for Eroge is not good whether the erotic fandom wishes it. Eros are for Eroges. Keep the usual visual novels sex free.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 19:46

Buy the all ages version then, that's what you're looking for.

hyl · 2013-01-20, 19:49

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

I 'm concern for the general consumers. Adding ero in visual novels except for Eroge is not got whether the erotic fandom is the target room. Eros are for eroges. Keep the visual novels sex free.

It didn't stop little busters (for the ecstasy version, eventhough that version also gained a few more routes )or Da capo 3 (which gets an x rated version in a few months) and probably more.

NoemiChan · 2013-01-20, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Buy the all ages version then, that's what you're looking for.

If you meant VN, no problem.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 20:19

Yes, many games that qualify as a VN have an all ages version, so it shouldn't be hard especially for really popular ones. In fact, if you're actually purchasing it, you would have to go out of your way to find the adult version.

DragoZERO · 2013-01-20, 20:45

I went with Nay.

Of the VNs I have played, the sex was not necessary. Throw in how the author sometimes can't write an ero scene for his/her life and I rest my case.

Now.. if it's a nukige and the artist is god-tier (see Tony Taka) then of course it's okay.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 20:50

There's definitely that, awkwardly placed h-scenes are usually a bit "wait, what?"

Hooves · 2013-01-20, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Not in the US, it's rated M and everyone knows how easy it is for kids to get those.

I rented a rated M game when I was 12. My parents were alright with it, but the clerk gave us a weird look. I forgot which game it was though.

NoemiChan · 2013-01-20, 21:35

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Of the VNs I have played, the sex was not necessary.

Agree. Like what I'm saying, if you want romance with sex, play Eroges. It doesn't necessarily mean that when its Eroge, its crap already. The Visual Novels I played that aren't Eroges were written so well that sex was not even needed.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 21:44

Well at this point you're really cutting to the definition of what's what. Many Eroge are VNs and a lot of VNs happen to have adult material. Then wouldn't those VNs be Eroge? If you're playing it for the story (and why wouldn't you) that's cool, but you should just look at the rating of what you're getting instead of complaining after the fact. These days there are those that are either all ages rated or have the option to turn off adult scenes.

Vexx · 2013-01-20, 22:34

I don't see a "it depends on the story line and content" choice. If the story needs it to advance the plot or important things happen during the ero-scenes then yes, it should be there. If it is just a "you winz!!! Take her!!!", then it can be snipped as far as I care.

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 22:49

If you're able, you should list what types of scenes you're talking about in terms of plot advancement.

NoemiChan · 2013-01-20, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Well at this point you're really cutting to the definition of what's what. Many Eroge are VNs and a lot of VNs happen to have adult material. Then wouldn't those VNs be Eroge? If you're playing it for the story (and why wouldn't you) that's cool, but you should just look at the rating of what you're getting instead of complaining after the fact. These days there are those that are either all ages rated or have the option to turn off adult scenes.

Oh like Katawa Shoujo? It has the same "turn off the sex" mode. Though those kind exist, I still prefer what I said..

Alchemist007 · 2013-01-20, 22:58

Plenty of people liked it without the scenes for that game. Though I think there might have been at least a couple routes in there in which it added to the story. Only what I've heard though, I haven't played it.

I've played only so many but I've found that when it does add to the story, the scene is not too long or at least there's some inserted dialogue that reveals something about either events or the characters that you might not hear in another context.

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Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	Plenty of people liked it without the scenes for that game. Though I think there might have been at least a couple routes in there in which it added to the story. Only what I've heard though, I haven't played it. I've played only so many but I've found that when it does add to the story, the scene is not too long or at least there's some inserted dialogue that reveals something about either events or the characters that you might not hear in another context. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList