High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[CCPDarkraiRules]

You also have to consider that Rias in her Balor Princess form had to use time-stops on either her attacks to hit Fenrir or Fenrir himself (Even if he did break out of it easily) and teleportation continuously which I think put a massive strain on Rias and all of this just to keep a 80% Fenrir at bay if Fenrir was at 100% I feel Rias would have had an ever harder time against Fenrir.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by CCPDarkraiRules

You also have to consider that Rias in her Balor Princess form had to use time-stops on either her attacks to hit Fenrir or Fenrir himself (Even if he did break out of it easily) and teleportation continuously which I think put a massive strain on Rias and all of this just to keep a 80% Fenrir at bay if Fenrir was at 100% I feel Rias would have had an ever harder time against Fenrir.

100% Fenrir is top ten and presumably would have outright beaten her. She's not that strong yet.

Rias vs Fenrir was brought up to act as a kind of marker as to where BP stands, since the discussion was base Sirzechs versus BP Rias.

The point was that if she had the upper hand in that fight (where Fenrir is equivalent to a high God class foe) she could easily take someone in the Maou class.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by XFire

I hope you aren't trying to say Cruesery was at the pinnacle of Maou class and should scale to everyone else in it. Sirzechs is still in the class himself and Rias is above it, end of story. Being able to take out other people in the same class won't help with someone explicitly superior to him.



Feel free to point out anything suggesting the form that lost to Cao Cao is Maou class.



That's literally just the form timing out. Fenrir had nothing to do with it.

He can't harm Rias at all while he himself was shedding blood. Rias was inflicting superior damage until Balor Princess ran out, an event that occurs specifically because it's an untested experimental ability.

Had the fight continued normally he'd have lost. Again you're suggesting that he's stronger because he won, despite the circumstances of his win being entirely out of his control.



Apophis literally states that he has horrible compatibility with Issei and that DxD would splatter him in a single strike.

Azazel and Cao Cao battle ended in a draw.

Rias was suffering more damage than Fenrir. The damage that Fenrir took was superficial at best. Rias on the other hand was growing weaker and her condition was so bad that her safety was in danger. Rias did not have an upperhand if she was growing weaker throughout the battle. Fenrir had the durability and stamina to keep going that his injuries didn't bother him. This shows Rias was fighting a losing battle.

Apophis was in his human form when he said he couldn't a single strike. In his true form he took multiple hits from Issei and as far as compatibility goes Apophis also had the edge since he was a technique type. Fact of the matter is Issei had no upperhand in his fight with Apophis. Both were pretty evenly matched.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Azazel and Cao Cao battle ended in a draw.

It ended with Azazel getting knocked out of the sky without Cao Cao even using BB.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Rias was suffering more damage than Fenrir. The damage that Fenrir took was superficial at best. Rias on the other hand was growing weaker and her condition was so bad that her safety was in danger. Rias did not have an upperhand if she was growing weaker throughout the battle. Fenrir had the durability and stamina to keep going that his injuries didn't bother him. This shows Rias was fighting a losing battle.

Rias didnt take any damage at all. She began growing weaker when her form timed out.

Again, Fenrir was completely helpless while bleeding all over. Calling it "superficial" when he's been dodging specifically because a direct hit would take him out makes no sense.

Fenrir "won" because her form timed out, but the entire time it was in play Rias solidly held the upper hand.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Apophis was in his human form when he said he couldn't a single strike. In his true form he took multiple hits from Issei and as far as compatibility goes Apophis also had the edge since he was a technique type. Fact of the matter is Issei had no upperhand in his fight with Apophis. Both were pretty evenly matched.

Shifting forms doesn't change their power that much, remember? And Issei lands a blow on him in CxC as well.

Meanwhile as soon as DxD comes into play Issei sends him flying and starts slamming right through his darkness powers.

Apophis is the one who initiates the full power clash, and even after launching four of the orbs was barely holding back Infinity Blaster. Longinus Smasher crushed him completely.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by XFire

It ended with Azazel getting knocked out of the sky without Cao Cao even using BB.



Rias didnt take any damage at all. She began growing weaker when her form timed out.

Again, Fenrir was completely helpless while bleeding all over. Calling it "superficial" when he's been dodging specifically because a direct hit would take him out makes no sense.

Fenrir "won" because her form timed out, but the entire time it was in play Rias solidly held the upper hand.



Shifting forms doesn't change their power that much, remember? And Issei lands a blow on him in CxC as well.

Meanwhile as soon as DxD comes into play Issei sends him flying and starts slamming right through his darkness powers.

Apophis is the one who initiates the full power clash, and even after launching four of the orbs was barely holding back Infinity Blaster. Longinus Smasher crushed him completely.

Hmm... I'll have to reread that fight.

Fenrir wasn't just dodging. From how the fight is portrayed Rias also had to stay out of Fenrir's range and fangs with teleport and time stop. Coupled with the fact that none of her attacks did any fatal while at the same time she was getting weaker. Fenrir's strength and durability maintained his edge while using his speed to pressure her to stay out of range. Fenrir won that battle because of his durability and stamina and Rias couldn't fight anymore and her health was in bad condition.

No, only Crom Crauch said his strength didn't change between his human and Dragon form. However Apophis turned the entire island into darkness when he transformed and at that point did Issei and Ddraig could sense how strong he really was. Issei in CxC did no damage to Apophis whatsoever. Even in DxD Apophis was pressuring him. His dark water was destroying Issei's armor and his breath of darkness overpowered his Dragon shots. Also what do you mean by his 4 orbs waa barely holding infinity blaster? Just 1 giant orb alone kept it at bay.

[XFire]

[QUOTE=Blazor 98;6273872]Hmm... I'll have to reread that fight.

He also basically gores him in volume 11.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Fenrir wasn't just dodging. From how the fight is portrayed Rias also had to stay out of Fenrir's range and fangs with teleport and time stop. Coupled with the fact that none of her attacks did any fatal while at the same time she was getting weaker. Fenrir's strength and durability maintained his edge while using his speed to pressure her to stay out of range. Fenrir won that battle because of his durability and stamina and Rias couldn't fight anymore and her health was in bad condition.

He never even touched her the entire fight. Her attacks weren't fatal because of his despearate dodging as the narration flat out states a direct hit would have been extremely bad for Fenrir.

And you keep talking about her getting weaker like it was a) a constant thing and b) somehow Fenrir's doing.

Neither of those is true.

She started losing strength because the form timed out. That's it. As long as it was up she was definitively superior to Fenrir in that fight.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

No, only Crom Crauch said his strength didn't change between his human and Dragon form. However Apophis turned the entire island into darkness when he transformed and at that point did Issei and Ddraig could sense how strong he really was. Issei in CxC did no damage to Apophis whatsoever. Even in DxD Apophis was pressuring him. His dark water was destroying Issei's armor and his breath of darkness overpowered his Dragon shots. Also what do you mean by his 4 orbs waa barely holding infinity blaster? Just 1 giant orb alone kept it at bay.

He nails him right in the chest with an Ascalon boosted Solid Impact. He even says he felt it connect.

Apophis fired one orb, Issei fired IB, and the Apophis fires three more immediately...because even like that IB is still breaking through. The four of them are disappearing just from IB. Issei then says he won't "hold back" and Longinus Smasher obliterates Apophis.

[Blazor 98]

[QUOTE=XFire;6273885]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Hmm... I'll have to reread that fight.

He also basically gores him in volume 11.



He never even touched her the entire fight. Her attacks weren't fatal because of his despearate dodging as the narration flat out states a direct hit would have been extremely bad for Fenrir.

And you keep talking about her getting weaker like it was a) a constant thing and b) somehow Fenrir's doing.

Neither of those is true.

She started losing strength because the form timed out. That's it. As long as it was up she was definitively superior to Fenrir in that fight.



He nails him right in the chest with an Ascalon boosted Solid Impact. He even says he felt it connect.

Apophis fired one orb, Issei fired IB, and the Apophis fires three more immediately...because even like that IB is still breaking through. The four of them are disappearing just from IB. Issei then says he won't "hold back" and Longinus Smasher obliterates Apophis.

I was referring to volume 9. Cao Cao used BxB in Volume 11 and exploited everyone's weaknesses.

If all Fenrir did was desperately dodged then none of her attacks would've hit him but the fact he got Injuries proves some of her attacks did hit and none were fatal. The time she maintained the form none of her attacks did any fatal damage that put Fenrir in danger of retirement due to how strong his durability was. Meanwhile Rias was growing fatigued as the battle dragged on until she started to lose the form and growing weaker. It doesn't matter of Fenrir didn't touch her because the fact remains she was battling against time and which put her at a disadvantage since none of her attacks were strong enough to put Fenrir down at that point. Recall Issei vs Thanatos fight where Issei had a time limit in DxD and despite being stronger he still couldn't win as Thanatos was too fast and sealed his canons.


He hit Apophis and felt sensation that he hit him but again it did no damage. Apophis took the attack intentionally to try and trap Issei.

The 4 orbs that Apophis launched at Issei wasn't disappearing which is why Issei had to use Longinus Smasher. Bottomonline is the battle were basically evenly matched. Issei had no upperhand as both did significant damage to each other.

[XFire]

[QUOTE=Blazor 98;6274025]

Originally Posted by XFire

I was referring to volume 9. Cao Cao used BxB in Volume 11 and exploited everyone's weaknesses.

BxB Cao Cao still isn't Maou class.

And the volume 9 fight is the one that ends with Azazel on his arm. I was just pointing out he loses to Cao Cao twice.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

If all Fenrir did was desperately dodged then none of her attacks would've hit him but the fact he got Injuries proves some of her attacks did hit and none were fatal. The time she maintained the form none of her attacks did any fatal damage that put Fenrir in danger of retirement due to how strong his durability was. Meanwhile Rias was growing fatigued as the battle dragged on until she started to lose the form and growing weaker. It doesn't matter of Fenrir didn't touch her because the fact remains she was battling against time and which put her at a disadvantage since none of her attacks were strong enough to put Fenrir down at that point. Recall Issei vs Thanatos fight where Issei had a time limit in DxD and despite being stronger he still couldn't win as Thanatos was too fast and sealed his canons.

None of he attacks directly hit him. The narration makes it clear a solid hit would have badly damaged him, so all that damage came from glancing blows he barely dodged.

And again Fenrir couldn't do shit to her as long as the form was up. Balor Princess was superior to 80% Fenrir, hence why Fenrir had to wait for it to be off the field to "win".

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

He hit Apophis and felt sensation that he hit him but again it did no damage. Apophis took the attack intentionally to try and trap Issei.

"It connected" is Japanese vernacular for successfully damaging a target. See Bleach where after nailing Aizen head on Isshin says his attack felt like it didnt connect because it didnt actually damage him.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

The 4 orbs that Apophis launched at Issei wasn't disappearing which is why Issei had to use Longinus Smasher. Bottomonline is the battle were basically evenly matched. Issei had no upperhand as both did significant damage to each other.

Wrong. They were all four disappearing under IB, the fact that they held it off at all surprised Issei. At which point he stopped holding back and wiped him in one shot.

[Black cosmos]

How's Cao Cao not Maou class?


[She had to stay out of Fenrir cause she knew she would be damaged. And how do you explain those injures if none of them directly touched him.]

And I doubt, she is more powerful than 80% Fenrir.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Black cosmos

How's Cao Cao not Maou class?


[She had to stay out of Fenrir cause she knew she would be damaged. And how do you explain those injures if none of them directly touched him.]

And I doubt, she is more powerful than 80% Fenrir.

How is he Maou class? He's more or less even with CxC Issei, who wasn't Maou class at the time.

And Fenrir dodges her opening shot specifically because taking it head on would have crippled him. So if he has taken non-crippling damage it must have come from either glancing blows or being unable to fully escape the AoE.

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by Black cosmos

How's Cao Cao not Maou class?


[She had to stay out of Fenrir cause she knew she would be damaged. And how do you explain those injures if none of them directly touched him.]

And I doubt, she is more powerful than 80% Fenrir.

His fire power is not at that level, the fight with Vali and Azazel he relied only with his speed and predict his opponent movement and act beforehand, his spear is another story though, but if you count his spear as his fire power, then he can even compete with Shiva because it is a spear that can potentially kill a god

[bashkim1234]

High School DxD:Volume 8 Extra Life
Part 4

Even if you say that Ddraig, is there any chance of victory?

[……That will be hard. To tell you the truth, I never expected him to be this strong. Perhaps he’s stronger than the Old-Lucifer? The power and destructive power is overwhelming, but that “Power of Destruction” is on a different level. He put his talent and effort into the concept of “eliminating”. There’s probably nothing he can’t destroy with that.]

[XFire]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

High School DxD:Volume 8 Extra Life
Part 4

Even if you say that Ddraig, is there any chance of victory?

[……That will be hard. To tell you the truth, I never expected him to be this strong. Perhaps he’s stronger than the Old-Lucifer? The power and destructive power is overwhelming, but that “Power of Destruction” is on a different level. He put his talent and effort into the concept of “eliminating”. There’s probably nothing he can’t destroy with that.]

-> volume 8

-> not sure if he's actually stronger than the original Lucifer

-> Issei beating him in BxB is only "hard"

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for him being able to beat a God Class opponent whose base form can output the same level of power as his True Form

[bashkim1234]

Originally Posted by XFire

-> volume 8

-> not sure if he's actually stronger than the original Lucifer

-> Issei beating him in BxB is only "hard"

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for him being able to beat a God Class opponent whose base form can output the same level of power as his True Form

There are not many devils which were stronger than the original Lucifer . This was Ddragi statement .

[XFire]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

There are not many devils which were stronger than the original Lucifer . This was Ddragi statement .

Which is great, but none of the devils besides True Form Sirzechs and serious Ajuka are God level. Lucifer is literally the basis of Maou class, which is below God class.

[Black cosmos]

@viettha96
When you say fire power I'll take as you saying destructive output(correct me if I'm wrong). Comparing Xenovia (without her crimson armour) with Kiba would you say Xenovia>>>>>>Kiba because she's more destructive??

Edit:And when it comes to a fight you don't expect a character to rely on only fire power do you?

[syzorst]

I came across something interesting.

(Volume 22) Rias Team vs Sona's Team

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by Black cosmos

@viettha96
When you say fire power I'll take as you saying destructive output(correct me if I'm wrong). Comparing Xenovia (without her crimson armour) with Kiba would you say Xenovia>>>>>>Kiba because she's more destructive??

Edit:And when it comes to a fight you don't expect a character to rely on only fire power do you?

that how power level work, Kiba faster than Rias but did his destructive power is equal to her, no he is not then he is not at the same class as Rias. DxD already make it clear that they measure Maou-class, God-class, Top 10,.... through their overall destructive power. Yeah in a fight there are many factor playing but if you want to put someone at a class, you need to know their destructive power, Sirzech overwhelming 666 in a fist fight, but that not mean he is on the same class as 666

Well Rias Team curbstomp Sona Team, the different in stats are too much

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by vietthai96

that how power level work, Kiba faster than Rias but did his destructive power is equal to her, no he is not then he is not at the same class as Rias. DxD already make it clear that they measure Maou-class, God-class, Top 10,.... through their overall destructive power. Yeah in a fight there are many factor playing but if you want to put someone at a class, you need to know their destructive power, Sirzech overwhelming 666 in a fist fight, but that not mean he is on the same class as 666

Well Rias Team curbstomp Sona Team, the different in stats are too much

You think so? Remember this is volume 22. Strada isn't part of her team until volume 23 and Crom also wasn't revealed until that same volume since he didn't want to participate in matches at the time. Also Rias doesn't have Balor form since that wasn't achieved until Volume 24.

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by syzorst

You think so? Remember this is volume 22. Strada isn't part of her team until volume 23 and Crom also wasn't revealed until that same volume since he didn't want to participate in matches at the time. Also Rias doesn't have Balor form since that wasn't achieved until Volume 24.

Huh, you mean her team in Azazel Cup, not her peerage??