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It's yuri, bitches
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2011-06-27, 19:33 | Link #82 | ||
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Of course, that theory falls completely through the roof when you consider that rabid fangirls of both yaoi/BL and yuri seem to love the physical aspects of it too. Quote:
======= You do realise that the discussion between the two of us has continued mainly because you keep bringing up things that have already been addressed? Spoiler for length:
But of course you're going to come back again to all of the above with "you're too focused on semantics/definitions (not to mention grammar)". Putting aside grammar, (which I only bring up in this post because that's the major problem in your last rebuttal), I still think the definitions are important, because statements like "BL/yaoi is like josei in a different package" show that the poster hasn't read many BL and/or josei works. But does that matter given what you asked in the first post? Certainly, your original questions generally pertain to WHY BL/yaoi is more popular than yuri, not WHAT everyone thinks yaoi/BL and yuri are. However, I still think people need to know what kinds of works they're talking about in order to answer your questions, and I don't see how anyone can form an opinion about what kinds of works they are without actually trying enough of the works in question. Or to put it another way, having opinions about WHY something is =/= having opinions about WHAT something is. Especially when the WHAT is pretty well defined. But as I have said before, if you don't think it's necessary to be know what we're talking about, that's fine by me. It is your topic, after all. So this will be the last time I present the arguments in this third section of the post. -------- But if you keep accusing me of things I have/haven't done, I reserve the right to defend myself as per the section under the spoiler tag. ==== That aside, as for using larger, bolded font to try and emphasise a point that people ignored, I'll be more careful next time.
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2011-06-27, 20:04 | Link #83 |
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I'll take it on a case-by-case basis, just like I do with everything else. I don't make blanket statements like, "all RPGs are awesome" because some are really, really terrible. Same goes for yuri; I'm not going to make blanket statements and say that all yuri is for horny basement trolls and sexually objectifies lesbian relationships, because it doesn't.
I pretty much figure I'm good when it comes to reading yuri manga as long as the author is female. She should at least know how the female body is put together/works.
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2011-06-27, 21:59 | Link #85 | |
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2011-06-27, 22:09 | Link #86 |
Onee!
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Everything needs more yuri. Everything.
As for why yaoi sells more though.. 1- supply and demand 2- biggest demand and market is for moeblob, courtesy of your stereotypical buys-20-CDs-a-time otaku 3- which leaves the next biggest market as the fujoshis. Or at least that's how I've always seen it >_>
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2011-06-28, 01:21 | Link #87 |
Stupidity is Bliss.
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Yaoi has a huge and solid fanbase since Yuri is like EVERYWHERE. i mean, yuri fans are getting fed already with all the fanservice in animes almost all the time, so they don't need to be SOLID fans.
And as for me. YAOI IS FCKING GROSS!!! *throws up* if i were a girl, i'll never appreciate seeing a guy be so submissive over the other. Atleast two women getting at it with each other seems more natural. and admit it, YURI IS MORE TOLERABLE. |
2011-06-28, 01:54 | Link #88 |
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I can tolerate yaoi as long as the uke is someone like Hideyoshi from bakatest.
and I'm a male. might be reinstating someone else from before, but imo, yuri as an anime genre is certainly lacking, but as a sub-genre, it thrives everywhere. Perhaps because it's already everywhere, not much feels the need to make a whole anime dedicated to it.
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2011-06-28, 04:40 | Link #89 |
Stupidity is Bliss.
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Yeah. But to compare yaoi subtext to yuri-subtext, yaoi is practically nothing. (I hate Clamp) Well, I think you're right at the YUri as a genre, was lacking.
Let's see it this way: Despite fangirls not being fed with their yaoi-subtext, they actually are-- with pure yaoi, that is. anyway, i sort of prefer glaring subtext over the actual thing. Subtle over Explicit. XD and I still can't tolerate Yaoi. Dx |
2011-06-28, 06:51 | Link #90 | |
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And male basement otaku look less gay if they shows that they into girl (or girls in this case).... just saying in...
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2011-06-28, 12:39 | Link #91 | |
It's yuri, bitches
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And I'm a girl and interested in yuri, but not yaoi. So what? |
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2011-06-28, 14:29 | Link #92 |
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I had thought my lesbian-ness had already been established here?
I actually know more straight girls who like reading yuri manga than lesbians... I don't think this is actually representative of the larger numbers, because most of my friends who are anime or manga fans are not gay. The gay folks I do know... they aren't into manga to begin with, so they don't read yuri. I'm going to the yaoi con mostly to hang out with friends and for an excuse to wear a lolita dress without people giving me WTF looks. Also, meet some new people. Since a yaoi con is going to be filled mostly with girls--whether they're moderate yaoi fans, fujoshis or lesbians who prefer yaoi, it ought to be interesting.
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2011-06-28, 14:55 | Link #93 |
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The last thing I would expect from a yaoi con is to see girls in lolita dresses...
Are you sure you won't get any WTF look? Well maybe reality is different than how I expect it to be...
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2011-06-28, 14:58 | Link #94 | |
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Anyway from the pictures, there were at least a half-dozen other girls sporting lolita fashion last time she went.
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2011-06-30, 13:08 | Link #95 |
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As long as there are shows like Madoka, im not complaining about a lack of yuri. Seriously, that seasons best show was pretty much about a lesbian timetraveller trying to save her love, resulting in the most awesome nude hugging superdimensial sparkling climax. I had barely time to pull off my goggles, throwing them away yelling "fire in the hole" before they detonated in a glorious fireball of yuri subtext overload.
As for canon yuri, there are enough mangas to keep me busy i'd say.
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2011-06-30, 13:15 | Link #96 | |
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And I would DIE for an all yuri-themed convention in the U.S.
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2011-07-01, 07:50 | Link #97 |
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I'm surprised that nobody ever mentioned Wild Rose, a Yuri Hime spinoff featuring raunchy yuri mangas that even Yuri Hime itself dare not to show them. It is obviously made for male gaze than anything else.
The only thing I like about yuri is how it parodying shoujo genre. SOme of the yuri mangas prefer to use shoujo style art while completely ironic that no girls are reading such yuri mangas in first place. Yes most straight girls avoid reading yuri as much as straight guys avoid yaoi. |
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Haven't gone to one, but synaesthetic did mention that she does not see many guys in the yaoi con. Which possibly due to the same reason.... i think...maybe...
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2011-08-01, 14:00 | Link #99 | |
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And I think that the lack of girls in Yuri con is probably because unlike girls who likes Yaoi, girls who likes Yuri and go to Yuri con more often than not would be labeled as 'lesbian' by general assumption, when they are not. Huh. I don't think I'm making sense here, sorry @_@
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2011-10-18, 18:45 | Link #100 |
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Why? Because no matter how you look at it girls are crazier fans then guys so whetever appeals to them will sell better and faster.
I like both genres but what I find unfair is that biggest part yuri has just slight romance in it, a simple hand holding is rarety while almost all yaoi shows get things done and usually almost in first few episodes.
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