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Perfect 10 | 5 | 8.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 26 | 43.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 18.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 5.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-06-18, 02:05 | Link #122 |
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the idea about kugel is dead, and striker do the show all this time is unlikely... it gives to many hints for that, and some ppl may already predicted this one.
if i was gen, i would definitely not using that route. it's best to make kugel into hideauze... look at those follower he got, everybody worship him... why would he come back to the space when he could become a god there. with all those ancient technology and possibly chamber if he could take it over from ledo (maybe run some checkup or OS update, but actually rewrite all the program chamber has), he could conquer the entire planet. he need pinion for that purpose, since he could handle the ancient cannon and have the brain for that. or maybe he really does infected with some disease, and in order to survive he need to become hideauze. hideauze could live even in space, it should have a great antibody or maybe immune to any disease, it's the superior form of human afterall... don't forget most ppl worship the hideauze as a sacred creature, if he could become that, it would definitely secured his spot as a god for that planet.
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2013-06-18, 07:31 | Link #124 | ||||
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Anyway I'm not going to exclude that Kugel is dead either, a lot of times when I thought something was too obvious... it was actually true. Quote:
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It seems to me that Kugel is fretting to get Ledo on his side even though he shouldn't have an absolute need of him.
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2013-06-18, 09:25 | Link #126 | |
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Well I guess that's where the Pirate Queen and Ledo could come in and play it all Ewoks like with hacked-salvaged-technology, but I'm skeptical.
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2013-06-18, 12:32 | Link #129 | |
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I mean... I was responding to Runa which is speculating that Kugel might be turning into a Hideauze or wanting to become one. If that was true and if he wanted to preserve himself the last thing he would do is renew Ledo's determination to kill without a second thought what he has become (or what he will).
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2013-06-18, 17:45 | Link #130 | |
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The fact of the matter is, Kibbles is just one man. Even in a machine caliber he can't be everywhere at once. He's also just "one" man. Even in the greatest machine caliber mankind has ever seen, a single opponent against a numerical advantage always looks weak. "You may be really deadly, but there's still hundreds of us!" Having two machine calibers on the other hand... A duo of heavily-armed death robots from space aren't to be reckoned with. Having Ledo means that he can more swiftly and efficiently achieve his goals, and maintain his control. Efficiency is a big deal to Colonel Kibbles, space commando. It also reinforces the idea of his cult, that they're space warriors protecting mankind from the threat of the space Hideauze in space. In reality, I can't think of a single good reason why Kibbles would NOT want Ledo to join him.
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2013-06-18, 18:37 | Link #131 | |
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From that standpoint it wouldn't make sense for Kugel to hold his conquest plans only because he has "just" one machine caliber. There is simply no comparison between the strength of a machine calibers and any weapon of the earthlings. And you are wrong in your statement that he is one man. He is quite certainly not considering a whole fleet is revering him as a god and it's only logical that more people will follow him after each conquest. Dissidents can be incinerated faster than Ledo can say "zenmetsu". Now if Kugel knew about Ledo for a while then you are right that before going on a world domination campaign he should have made a priority to contact him. However in that case his behavior would be even more suspicious. I mean in EP1 we have seen machine calibers moving around a gas giant planet in a very short amount of time. Exactly what prevented him from going directly to Ledo with Striker? It shouldn't have taken him more than a few hours even if he was on the opposite side of the planet. Why did he have to go with the whole fleet in tow? Moreover if he knew Ledo was there that means he intercepted Chamber's distress signal. But if he could receive that distress signal, then why didn't he send one to Chamber? In either case you are left with a big question: What was Kugel waiting for?
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2013-06-18, 23:01 | Link #132 | |
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If the whole disease thing is true and Striker is acting as Kugels life support system. Squid monster form aside, wouldn't that pretty much be like becoming a Hideauze in its own way? Striker would basically be his body.
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2013-06-19, 01:08 | Link #133 | |
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If he'd wanted to just replace Lukkage and become the Great Pirate Kugel, he'd just need a few minutes. If he wanted to lead the pirates away from their life of crime, he'd need to teach them honest trades, and do a lot of micromanagement so they don't backslide... Here, he wants to completely change the way of life of a whole planet, make them behave in a way they'd never seen, never contemplated. It's going to take a lot of time. |
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2013-06-19, 03:00 | Link #134 |
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i wonder why he have to keep radio silence, i mean Hideauze and people in the planet cant intercept signal and only the alliance can. something is fishy i am leaning toward he actually died but gave striker permission to act and order to exterminate Hideauze by any mean? that or the occult is more than it seems
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2013-06-19, 09:57 | Link #135 | |
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Yet another twist on the "many ways a human can lose their humanity..." Of course a disabled human in the GA must be disposed of, so that would also put Kugel in a delicate position!
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2013-06-19, 10:58 | Link #137 | |
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The two AI don't appear programmed for that. In their culture the sick get culled, not the injured. They seem to have advanced medicine as Chamber seems to convey such. If Striker has that much power does that mean that there is a possibility that Galactic Alliance is ruled by some sort of cyborg... the leadership of the Alliance may be a fusion of man and machine. Anyhow, it could also just be that Striker went rampant. Kugel is alive. Striker would be programmed to follow Ledo otherwise, unless it operated under different rules than Chamber. He's in suspended animation or playing Wizard of Oz within an isolated area of his fleet. |
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2013-06-19, 11:47 | Link #138 |
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Either Striker or Chamber must go down the path of AI rebellion, unless Ledo obeys to Kugel till the end (extremely unlikely) or Ledo+Gargantia manage to win against Striker and Chamber combined which would be a huge asspull\deus ex machina no matter what they come up with to justify that.
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2013-06-19, 11:54 | Link #139 | |
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...lol, EMP
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