(L+CR) Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (movie & TV)

[Ithekro]

Verrry Interesting.

[macdawson]

August, you failed to answer a few important questions but i'll focus on the one that is in everyone's mind.

Spoiler:

Does the captain have his hat on during his operation? XD

Now, on a more serious note

Spoiler:

I like what they do in episode 13 with Kodai and Sanada. It was a matter that had to be adressed. In the original Kodai is made deputy captain by Okita but there was no XO in that show. Here we have Sanada which, as XO, is the de facto deputy captain. Something had to be set up for Sanada, who i've always seen as someone who has the XO position but only cause he has to, to pass the torch to Kodai. Here he sees the spark of command in him, that comparisson with Okita shows just that. I'm only guessing but i think had he not been killed at Pluto, as Tactical Officer, Kodai (Mamoru) would have been the XO instead of Sanada, which is one more reason for him to step aside. Am i making any sense here? XD

[August138]

Originally Posted by macdawson

August, you failed to answer a few important questions but i'll focus on the one that is in everyone's mind.

Spoiler:

Does the captain have his hat on during his operation? XD

Spoiler:

No hat, and he's submerged in liquid during said operation.

Originally Posted by macdawson

Now, on a more serious note

Spoiler:

I like what they do in episode 13 with Kodai and Sanada. It was a matter that had to be adressed. In the original Kodai is made deputy captain by Okita but there was no XO in that show. Here we have Sanada which, as XO, is the de facto deputy captain. Something had to be set up for Sanada, who i've always seen as someone who has the XO position but only cause he has to, to pass the torch to Kodai. Here he sees the spark of command in him, that comparisson with Okita shows just that. I'm only guessing but i think had he not been killed at Pluto, as Tactical Officer, Kodai (Mamoru) would have been the XO instead of Sanada, which is one more reason for him to step aside. Am i making any sense here? XD

Spoiler:

Basically, yes. More importantly, Sanada realizes that he made a decision based on Intelligence Officer Niimi's influence over him; and that it was the wrong action to take — revealing the Yamato's position — while Kodai's suggestion (as Tactical Officer) was correct all along.

[denshousha]

That episode regarding Yurisha sounds confusing. Here's what I've gleaned.

Spoiler for spoiler:

The line about Yuria being from Yamaguchi Prefecture on the official website bio has been removed. Wikipedia lists the same voice actress for both Yuki and Yurisha.

[August138]

Originally Posted by denshousha

That episode regarding Yurisha sounds confusing. Here's what I've gleaned.

Spoiler for spoiler:

The line about Yuria being from Yamaguchi Prefecture on the official website bio has been removed. Wikipedia lists the same voice actress for both Yuki and Yurisha.

It's supposed to be confusing... They are dropping red herrings, as they've had since the first episode. If the mystery of who Yurisha really was (of if she's another Iscandarian or some other alien being), the eventual dramatic reveal would be superfluous, right?

Spoiler for spoiler:

Yes, it is the same voice actress – audibly and in the credits of Episode 14 (which I just finished watching again). But, as I said, "Red Herring." It's just not going to be that easy. One of my theories was that Yuki was created (clone, etc.) as a vessel for Yurisha's "spirit" (since we have to assume her body is dead), hence no prior memories before 2198 (although how did they train her to be so highly skilled in that time?). Yuki could have also been selected to combine with Yurisha's essence, and had her memory erased, or because of her amnesia (if not a cover). Whatever it happens to be, it seems as though Yurisha has chosen Yuria, instead...

[Ithekro]

Considering the film is now out of theaters, I wonder how the lastest YRA Radio broadcast (yesterday I think) handled the most recent chapter of the story.

[Vito]

Hmm

Spoiler for Ep 12 comment:

Shima and Yamamoto begin bonding. Yamamoto and Kodai begin to go down different paths as Yuki and Kodai become closer.

I wonder what was the whole point of the interaction in chapter 3 then, apart from revealing character backstories.

[macdawson]

Originally Posted by August138

Spoiler:

Even though Niimi protests, the XO decides not to reprimand Kodai (beyond a light suspension), because it was the right course to take, and asks her what Okita would've done in the same situation. "The same."

Does the missing line in the translated version of the trailer reffer to this? It seems Sanada says Okita's name...

[August138]

Originally Posted by macdawson

Does the missing line in the translated version of the trailer reffer to this? It seems Sanada says Okita's name...

I dunno; I didn't watch the subbed trailer that closely, but I remember the trailer has a part of this scene, so it probably would have something to do with, "What do you think he would have done?", I guess. Should take a look at it.

Originally Posted by Vito

Hmm

Spoiler for Ep 12 comment:

I wonder what was the whole point of the interaction in chapter 3 then, apart from revealing character backstories.

It's like real life, man...

[Optimouse Prime]

Originally Posted by August138

It's like real life, man...

Spoiler:

It's good to have choices ....

Originally Posted by Vito

Hmm

Spoiler for Ep 12 comment:

I wonder what was the whole point of the interaction in chapter 3 then, apart from revealing character backstories.

Spoiler:

Perhaps it was a late editorial decision?

But that having been said, as much I liked the possibility of Kodai/Yamamoto, the fact is that Kodai/Yuki is a fundamental part of the whole Yamato "mythology". It would like remaking Star Wars and going with Luke/Leia instead of Han/Leia.

If they do decide to go the Shima/Yamamoto route though, I wonder how they would integrate that with the Shima/Teresa sub-plot if they ever did a Season 2 remake?

[August138]

Originally Posted by Optimouse Prime

Spoiler:

Perhaps it was a late editorial decision?

But that having been said, as much I liked the possibility of Kodai/Yamamoto, the fact is that Kodai/Yuki is a fundamental part of the whole Yamato "mythology". It would like remaking Star Wars and going with Luke/Leia instead of Han/Leia.

If they do decide to go the Shima/Yamamoto route though, I wonder how they would integrate that with the Shima/Teresa sub-plot if they ever did a Season 2 remake?

The interactions are not going to be wasted; the series was fully written, all 26 episodes, and voice recorded, before the first episode was animated. Remember that this was in pre-production for four years, so everything will have meaning and will dovetail at various junctures.

Remember, we've got 12 episodes to go — anything can happen!

[Optimouse Prime]

Originally Posted by August138

The interactions are not going to be wasted; the series was fully written, all 26 episodes, and voice recorded, before the first episode was animated. Remember that this was in pre-production for four years, so everything will have meaning and will dovetail at various junctures.

Remember, we've got 12 episodes to go — anything can happen!

Really? That's quite impressive. Is that normal in the industry?

It just seems to me that it would be more difficult for the voice actors to record something, when they can't see the action that goes along with it.

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by Optimouse Prime

Spoiler:

Perhaps it was a late editorial decision?

But that having been said, as much I liked the possibility of Kodai/Yamamoto, the fact is that Kodai/Yuki is a fundamental part of the whole Yamato "mythology". It would like remaking Star Wars and going with Luke/Leia instead of Han/Leia.

If they do decide to go the Shima/Yamamoto route though, I wonder how they would integrate that with the Shima/Teresa sub-plot if they ever did a Season 2 remake?

Spoiler for Future potential:

That would depend on a number of things. One being how the relationship develops during this voyage in 2199, as there is still a lot of things that can happen, especially with the larger engagements as they get closer to Iscandar.

Two would be what happens to the ship and crew after they return to Earth by 2200. In both Yamato 2 and Farewell Yamato, Shima and Yamamoto are assigned to different posting. Shima I think to some fleet detachment near Mars and Yamamoto to the fighter squadrons on the Moon. Shima was probably the most resistant to the entire plan to take Yamato out of the system again against orders, arriving only at the last minute. Yamamoto (male) joined willingly with the rest of the fighter squadrons. Shima would also seem to be under the most stress during the voyage in Yamato 2 (not so much in Farewell Yamato) with his stress being taken by the need to navigate to a planet they hadn't encountered before (so there previous autopilot wouldn't help at all even if it was still in the ship). In this, Teresa becomes his anchor. If Shima and Yamamoto have drifted apart being in different units, or something else, this won't matter too much. But if Yamamoto still has feeling for Shima, this could cause issues (losing another boyfriend to a blonde space goddess).

Three. If the Yamato 2/Farewell Yamato storyline is followed up in a Yamato 2199 sequel...will Yamamoto still die to cover Kodai's assault on the Comet Empire? If it follows Yamato 2, Shima is presumed dead by that point (having been lost during the last battle with Dessler at most just a day earlier), so she might decide to go out with honor with no one left for her anymore. Or being the honorable pilot she is, would die to cover her commanding officer to save the mission. (in both Yamato 2 and Farewell Yamato, Yamamoto directly places his plane between the enemy guns and Kodai's plane. In the Live Action Film, he is just one of the first pilots shot down.)

Four. The death of both Teresa and Yamamoto would have a heavy effect on Shima in any film or series following a Yamato 2199 sequel series. Though aside from a single instance in New Voyages, Tereasa isn't really mentioned again, nor does such things effect Shima's character.

Five. On a related note, in the Playstation versions of Yamato 2 and the following stories, Yamamoto survives the Comet Empire attack (ejects I believe) and takes over the squadron. They also gain a female pilot in those stories in addition to the other replacements we get in New Voyages and Be Forever, Yamato. Following this path with Yamato 2199 would allow them to continue to develope Yamamoto (female) along whatever path they want, since Shima doesn't have all that much character development after Yamato 2 aside from command issues with Kodai in Yamato 3 (Shima as co-XO is known for being by the book and cautious while Captain Kodai is more emotionally driven, though not so much a hot head anymore. Sanada tends to be the logical co-XO but usually backs Kodai choices over Shima's suggestions.) and well his own death in Final Yamato (and the random return of the mention of his love for Yuki Mori that hadn't appeared since very early in the first season).

Thus there are many paths they can take since there are many variations on the stories over the last three decades. Since Yamamoto is the only one that had a gender change (or possibly just replaced her brother in the story) it brings a potental not seen originally. Also it will make the spats between the fighter pilots and the marines rather interesting in potental future products, since I seem to recall Yamamoto and Saito having a few fights during the trip to Telesart.

[August138]

Originally Posted by Optimouse Prime

Really? That's quite impressive. Is that normal in the industry? It just seems to me that it would be more difficult for the voice actors to record something, when they can't see the action that goes along with it.

That's they way it's been done in the US since the beginning — it was the Japanese that did VA in the style of dubbing foreign films (it was more economical to do it in this manner up until recently) — American animators animate the characters around the actor's audio performance, and to perfectly synchronize the lip movements (an issue the Japanese simply overlooked).

So, yes, it's unusual for Japanese animation industry, but standard rigor du jour for the American animation industry.

(BTW, the Japanese voice actors in the past would only see the character parts of the episodes, which were on loops, scene by scene, so they could concentrate on getting each scene right – one at a time. They wouldn't see the full episode, in it's entirety, until it aired on television.)

[macdawson]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Spoiler for Future potential:

Five. On a related note, in the Playstation versions of Yamato 2 and the following stories, Yamamoto survives the Comet Empire attack (ejects I believe) and takes over the squadron.

Not in the Playstation game. There is a split story that depending on your actions during the game leads you through 2 different scenarios in the final stages of the story, in one you see animation clips that follow the movie version, the other you see clips that follow the series version. But in both instances, he goes down. And it wasn't actually a straight forward decision, not like "i'm gonna do this", his fighter gets shot and rather than just go up in flames, he uses whatever control and time he has left to crash into the Gatlantis gate.

[Ithekro]

However he is in the New Voyages and Be Forever, Yamato games. Or it appears that way from the limited amount of images or videos I can find on those games, since I very much doubt he could be dead and yet be with the two new pilots from New Voyages at the same time (this includes the female pilot added for the game).

specifically this image:
http://www.starblazers.com/comics.ph...er=PS2B&page=6


And now for something completely different:

NicoNico

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm19942784

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A rather odd remix of the disco version of Space Battleship Yamato's theme to a poster congratulating the soon to air Yamato 2199 TV series.

[pinoy78]

Silly question....does the illustrated sleeve only come with First Release BD/DVD's?

[August138]

Originally Posted by pinoy78

Silly question....does the illustrated sleeve only come with First Release BD/DVD's?

Yes. Only with the first pressings.

[MasterVampire]

Have any of these new episode been uploaded yet?
Didnt people get DVD's when the 4th part first came out an cinemas?

[Ithekro]

I have not encountered any scenes from Chapter 4 as of yet aside from the 10 minute preview and the 2 minute trailer. I've not found any editted scenes from Chapter 3 either really.

I recall that Chapter 1 and 2 had people making edited versions from the theater discs (either short scenes or redubbing with the original 1974 version's audio). This has not happened for Chapter 3 and so far for Chapter 4.

Might be due to the changing of copyright laws in Japan as of I think last October, but I see plenty of TV shows still editted in these fashions as AMV or MAD on Nicovideo or Youtube.