[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 5 End of the golden witch

[Knicknevin]

Spoiler for I heard you like spoilers, so I put some spoilers in your spoilers.:

Originally Posted by TeeHee

Episode 3 Map, version 5.0
(5.0 means that I watched EP 5, and this is my first iteration. The next iteration would be 5.1, if I apply it.)

My original intent was to explore various complete applications of theories, but it became something a bit different. In a word, a map.

My objective isn't to be complete (we all know what a "closed room" is, for example), but to gather all of the necessary context and clues for the murders. After all, this episode in particular is the most difficult Wolf and Sheep puzzle I have ever seen.

Spoiler for First Twilight:

First twilight:

In order of discovery:
Shannon (parlor, 1st floor, mansion)
Kumasawa (seldom used guest room, 2nd floor, mansion)
Gohda (waiting room, 3rd floor, mansion)
Genji (honored guest room, 2nd floor, mansion)
Kinzo (burnt in boiler room, basement, mansion)
Kanon (chapel)

Except for Kinzo, all were killed with a weapon assumed to be a gun or a spear-shaped object.

Red truths, etc:
- Five master keys, one for each servant, each in their corpse's posessions.
- No traps, no suicides (almost said "no accidents", but SHE NEVER DID)
- No auto-locks, no special windows.
- They are all dead at the time of their discovery.
- All deaths were instant.
- Only the victims were in the rooms upon discovery. (No hiding allowed.)
- Wounds resembling gunshots were fatal. (EP4)
- All of the murders took place inside thier respective rooms. (EP4)
- "When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room."
- Of course, Kinzo was dead to begin with.

Blue truth:
- "After the murder of each person in their respective rooms, the culprit created a linked closed room. But the culprit just couldn't return the key for the last room to the inside of that closed room no matter what they did. But they were able to return it. The first person to discover a corpse just had to pretend to find the key and show that they'd pulled it from the pocket of one of the corpses!!"

Notes:
- Is this the last twilight using both Kinzo-sealed letters and magic circles? If it is, then "Beatrice" could very well be one of the deceased.
- Nanjo returned to his room early that night.
- Those who entered the first room: Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Nanjo. Nanjo was then asked to check her condition.

Possible culprits:
- Anyone except Battler and Jessica (innocent in red)
- Likely innocent: Krauss, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie, and Rosa (meeting)
- Culprits/accomplices among the dead: Minimum 0, Maximum 5
- Culprits/accomplices among the living: Minimum 1

Spoiler for Second Twilight:

Second twilight:

Rosa (medulla oblongata pierced by fence, rose garden)
Maria (strangled, rose garden)

Red:
- Nanjo's diagnosis of their deaths is correct. In other words, they were definitely dead upon discovery.
- They were killed by other people.
- Hideyoshi was in the "headache" room at the time, both before and after.

Notes:
- Eva acting sick looks like a huge cover-up. But that's just my subjectivity at large.
- Meanwhile:

• The adults are in the lounge chatting, trying to ignore Maria.
• The kids are watching TV and chatting.
• Nanjo is supposedly in his own room reading a book.

- Hideyoshi told them to be quiet before they went outside. Did Eva deliberately follow them outside knowing that the two of them would be alone in the open rain, or did she happen to be outside anyways?
- Rosa was killed when she had a gun in her posession, still fully loaded. Whoever killed her was able to do it when her guard was down.
- My guess is that someone killed Rosa by slamming her into the fence, and then strangled helpless Maria. "Uuu! Uuu! **Ugggghhh!!**"

Possible culprits:
- Eva and/or Nanjo

Spoiler for Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Twilights:

Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Twilights:

Rudolf (forehead pierced by a stake, mansion hall)
Hideyoshi (chest pierced by a stake, mansion hall)
Kyrie (stomach pierced by a stake, mansion hall)

Red/facts:
- Kyrie had other reasons than food to go to the mansion with Rudolf and Hideyoshi.
- Kyrie had a cigarette in her pocket. It matches Hideyoshi's brand.

Notes:
- Rudolf and Hideyoshi had guns. Kyrie was in charge of the cart.
- Eva is "feelin' pretty darn bad right now. We can't let her stay hungry." Is this a cover-up?
- By the way, they all have stakes stuck in them. Epitaph-centric.
- Afterwards, Eva "wakes up from a nightmare about a witch", says that Hideyoshi "broke his promise", the "witch is outside!!", "Thirty minutes?? [...] We have to quickly go to where they are!!".
- Battler, Eva, George, and Nanjo headed the investigation.
- Ronove refused to repeat that they are dead in red. EVA-Beatrice later said that they were all dead but never specified a time.
- George is the slowest to cry. Bad acting?
- "Rudolf's group had gone out holding two guns and one master key. But those had been lost. It was already clear that those had been stolen by the culprit." So they locked up the guest house in defense, locking the front and back doors with chains.
- Were they necessarily unable to leave through the kitchen door? Where did that cart end up?

Possible culprits (likely or unlikely):
- Rudolf
- Hideyoshi
- Kyrie
- Nanjo
- Eva
- Krauss
- Natsuhi

Spoiler for Seventh & Eighth Twilights:

Seventh & Eighth Twilights:

Krauss (strangled w/ stake in thigh, rose garden arbor)
Natsuhi (strangled w/ stake in calf, rose garden arbor)

Notes:
- This would be easier to explain if two culprits simultaneously killed them, unless they were killed one at a time and lured/dragged them to the arbor.
- More stakes, eh? I wonder if this person is necessarily behind the 4th, 5th, and 6th twilights as well. If not, there must have been some advance planning involved.
- Meanwhile, Battler, George, Jessica, and Nanjo were upstairs in the guest house. But then Nanjo hides in his own room.
- Eva: Goes to wash her face, make more coffee. Then the twilights occur; they die, get "dragged outside", and Eva comes back to find them missing.
- It could mean that Eva goint to the lavatory is her checking to see if George made it outside. Of course, that depends on the layout of the guesthouse.
- Were they even declared dead in red?
- Afterwards, doors were locked from the inside with chains.

Possible culprits:
- Rudolf
- Hideyoshi
- Kyrie
- Nanjo
- Krauss
- Natsuhi
- Eva
- George

Spoiler for Post-Twilight (Part 1):

Post-Twilight (Part 1):

George (gun or spear-shaped weapon, parlor, joined Shannon, 07151129)

Red:
- George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse. The windows were locked. (EP4)

Blue:
- "Everything works out as long as someone locked the window after George-aniki escaped through it!"

Notes:
- Was he really dead when he was found with dead Shannon? Who checked his corpse?
- There is no weapon in the room. Did someone kill him and lock the door?
- George asked everyone upstairs if they wanted coffee. But then he didn't go downstairs to make it. He (might have) left the mug in the floor hallway upstairs; otherwise, it's in Nanjo's room.
- Nanjo probably helped George crawl out through his window and then locked the window behind him.
- The mansion - and his room - was locked before his body was discovered.

Possible culprits:
- Rudolf
- Hideyoshi
- Kyrie
- Nanjo
- Krauss
- Natsuhi
- Eva
- George

Spoiler for Post-Twilight (Part 2):

Post-Twilight (Part 2):
Nanjo (gun or spear-shaped weapon, half his head blown off, hallway in front of servant's room)

Red:
- When Nanjo's body is discovered:

• Only Battler, Eva, and Jessica are alive.
• Of these three, none of them killed Nanjo.

- "Jessica has not committed murder." Meaning at all. Neither has Battler.
- In short, someone shot him at point blank. And then he/she died somehow.

Possible culprits:
- Rudolf
- Hideyoshi
- Kyrie
- Krauss
- Natsuhi
- George

Spoiler for Post-Twilight (Part 3):

Post-Twilight (Part 3):
Battler (Shot to death by Eva, mansion)
Jessica (Missing, blinded by the shotgun blast)

I also added my own general questions:

Spoiler for Questions:

Questions:

Who has all of the master keys after the first twilight?
- The adults? If we assume one per family (Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, and Rosa), wouldn't that mean that Nanjo has a key? If so, he could easily lend one to George.

Was the mansion door locked before they found George's body?
- Yes. And then Eva unlocked it when they reached the mansion.

Who has the guns?
- After the first twilight four guns. Initially:
* Krauss - missing after his "death"
* Eva
* Rudolf - missing after his "death"
* Rosa - taken by Hideyoshi - missing after his "death"

".... At the time of the accident, why was Eva oba-san in a place 2 kilometers away from the mansion, all alone? And on the night of a storm." How was Eva able to locate Kuwadorian?
- Perhaps Nanjo told her how to locate it. Or she found it by chance.

What about the occult stuff? (Stakes, magic circles)
- Assuming that "Beatrice" was killed with an accomplice (Nanjo?), she delegated this task to the accomplice. If so, either the accomplice in turn delegated the same task to other individuals, or he performed them himself. Doing that singlehandedly would be difficult with there being a chain on the guest house door.

What about "Beatrice's" appearance? Her letters?
- That all ends at the first twilight. It could mean that "Beatrice" dies in the first twilight, though not necessarily.

What about the PIN code? (07151129)
- Someone on the forums suggested that (contrary to my other theory) Asumu's and Kyrie's sons have been swapped in secret. If it really is true, then the PIN could possibly be both dates of Battler's "birth", both from Asumu (0715) and from Kyrie (1129). And if that is true, maybe Kyrie or Rudolf had a means of knowing what the PIN was for whatever reason. But that's hard to support.
- Setting aside the symbolism, If we assume that Kinzo handed down this secret code to his trusted servants and long-time acquaintance Nanjo, then Nanjo would be the only one left to know what the PIN is. When Nanjo saw it on the door, he broke a sweat and said that it must be the witch's doing.
- In any case, Eva wrote it down in her notebook. Either she was told to write it down, per se, or she's just attentive.

Is there a means of automatically discovering whether or not the gold has been discovered?
- I suppose that with a triggered electrical system, it can be easily done. Let's say on the door to the "Golden Land". And if there is a

I have some scenarios that I will need to test and see if I can get them to work. I need to try them out with various assumptions; mix and match to see if I can get them to work out in a way that makes sense. Feel free to add your own. Even better, try to put some assumptions together to make a masterpiece Ep3 theory.

My test lab will be a mess, unless I can get some more definitive constraints.

Spoiler for Assumptions to Test:

Assumptions to test:

(A) "Beatrice" dies in the first twilight and hands off the task to "EVA-Beatrice".
- If you know me, you know that I think that Shannon is "Beatrice".

(B) Eva is a murderer.
- We know that, but to what extent?

(C) Hideyoshi is a murderer.
- This can be possible if he coordinated with Nanjo for a fake autopsy, and he gave him three stakes in addition.
- If there is anyone who has a 99.99999% chance of knowing about the gold, it's him.

(D) George is a murderer.
- Maybe he got a key to the mansion from Nanjo.
- Maybe Nanjo told him the PIN.
- Maybe he worked in coordination with Eva, Hideyoshi, and Nanjo.
- Maybe Eva told him that she discovered the gold.

(E) Nanjo is a murderer.
- He may or may not be coordinating with other murderers, whether for mutual gain or under a threat.
- He probably has all of the remaining stakes.
- He is the most likely supplier of stakes for Krauss and Natsuhi.

(F) Rudolf and/or Kyrie are murderers.
- This can be possible if they coordinated with Nanjo for a fake autopsy, and he gave them stakes in addition.
- They were suspicious about the cigarette, so they question him. Kyrie can be scary when she's aggressive, and Rudolf is a fan of Westerns. Two wolves, one sheep.
- Also, it wouldn't be hard for the two of them to hide their guns and keys in a work of espionage. But then they would have to play dead for every time people come to the door.

(G) Krauss and/or Natsuhi are murderers.
- Boy, that would be hard to support. Is anyone willing to humor this idea?

(H) After the first twilight, Nanjo is the only one left who knows the pin.
- The other possibilities would be:

(J) After the first twilight, someone other than Nanjo only/also happens to know the PIN.

(K) After the first twilight, someone independently figures out what the PIN is by deduction and feels the need to announce it on the door.

Edit: Ooops, I particularly wanted this one in here:
(J) Eva's family members (Eva, Hideyoshi, George) would never murder each other, unless there is an accident.
- But in a mystery, we shouldn't count on accidents.

Nicely assembled. Pretty much fits my own theory too which makes me kind of happy. I had totally forgotten about the master key situation in that game. But really... they aren't talked about much after the first twilight. Any time someone needs a key for a door, they just have it, with no further discussion on how or why.

Once I finish posting all my rambling threads, I'll try to consolidate them into a single thread or two ( or three... what are the field limits on this board? heheh). Hopefully I can assemble my thoughts as well as you have.

Still... it's kind of distressing to think that Nanjo is a viable culprit. I have this crazy mental image of Nanjo choking Krauss and Natsuhi to death, one in each hand, and then tossing Krauss over his shoulder, Natsuhi under one arm and then sprinting to the arbor to dump them, stake them, and then sprint to the mansion to kill George, paint the door and run all the way back to his room on the second floor of the guest house, all in the time it takes Eva to make a pot of coffee. The man must be some kind of Olympic athlete.

[tehjoker]

I can't see Nanjo being a culprit but as an accomplice, yes.
Since he's the only doctor and he can confirm deaths, the real culprit always makes him survive the first twilight only to kill him later.

[maximilianjenus]

I can see nanjo being two culprits.. fat nanjo jokes aside, I still think beatrice is not the culprit, though that can be broken by the multiple beatrices theory.

[TeeHee]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

I can see nanjo being two culprits.. fat nanjo jokes aside, I still think beatrice is not the culprit, though that can be broken by the multiple beatrices theory.

...........Could you at least propose a counter-theory?

[LaplaceNoMa]

I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but I have a question regarding ep5 (I haven't finished it yet though):

Before the 'final' accasuation of Natsuhi in the cathedral, just before the goats appear, there is something extremely confusing being said:

- There is a red truth confirming that Krauss died shortly after the morning phone conversation when Natsuhi heard his voice.
- There is a red truth confirming that Rosa came to the guesthouse at 1:00.
- The whole point of accusing Natsuhi is about her alibi between 24:00 and 1:00.

And then Lambda says something extremely confusing: she says that Natsuhi is the culprit for killing George, Maria, Jessica, Genji, Rosa and Krauss, since it was only possible from 0:00 to 1:00.

Wtf? Wtf??? It's a clear contradiction. I'm not even talking about the fact that according to Erika's story it was simply impossible to murder Rosa since she herself proclaims that no murder occured between 1:00 and the morning.

[Tyabann]

Finish Ep5 and it will make more sense.

[Knicknevin]

Spoiler for Scrunch:

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but I have a question regarding ep5 (I haven't finished it yet though):

Before the 'final' accasuation of Natsuhi in the cathedral, just before the goats appear, there is something extremely confusing being said:

- There is a red truth confirming that Krauss died shortly after the morning phone conversation when Natsuhi heard his voice.
- There is a red truth confirming that Rosa came to the guesthouse at 1:00.
- The whole point of accusing Natsuhi is about her alibi between 24:00 and 1:00.

And then Lambda says something extremely confusing: she says that Natsuhi is the culprit for killing George, Maria, Jessica, Genji, Rosa and Krauss, since it was only possible from 0:00 to 1:00.

Wtf? Wtf??? It's a clear contradiction. I'm not even talking about the fact that according to Erika's story it was simply impossible to murder Rosa since she herself proclaims that no murder occured between 1:00 and the morning.

Well, the theory she presented said that Natsuhi was hiding in the guesthouse since sometime after 24:00. Basically, it would have to mean that Rosa was killed pretty much as soon as she went upstairs, and then Natsuhi hid again until some time after 3:00, when she snuck out.

As for Genji, she killed him before she left the mansion (Eva's seal makes it impossible after 1:00), and Krauss could have been killed anytime, since his room wasn't sealed.

edit: Just to be clear though, she's only talking about the murders in the guest house when she's determining the time frame of the crime.

Granted, this is just how Erika's theory puts it.

[porchoky]

Hey guys, I have a question about Battler's "big comeback". If it's already been discussed please link me to the page. Anyways:
Why do they make a big deal out of Battler seeing Kinzo when he and erika are on their way to the gold? I understand it makes him an unreliable observer from that point on, but what's the big deal? So when he wakes up in the morning and sees all the cousins dead:
He did see Kinzo - this scene could be a lie.
If he hadn't seen Kinzo - this is what really happened. But can we trust that anyways? It's not red truth. Or do we assume Battler's witness/testimony is reliable.


Then, on a slightly related note, tell me if I'm right (or at least not wrong) on Battler's train of thought had he explained his version of the truth for the first twilight deaths:

Spoiler:

So battler could not have done anything to the cousins after he got back at 3 since erika was listening the whole night. So what he must have done is woken up in the morning, screamed, causing erika to rush outside and check all the seals. In this time, he somehow moved the cousins+rosa (dunno, stuffed them in the closet or threw them out a window after erika finished checking that one?) and replaced their bodies with fakes, or had them fake their deaths somehow.

[Mirrored]

Originally Posted by TanabeTakashi

I don't know if this is the right place to post this but.... i have a pair of questions...

Why does the Knox's 5th is not mentioned? I know it says that 'No Chinaman must figure in the story", but what I wanna know is if 'chinaman' has another meaning apart from 'an asian'. If it doesn't have another meaning, why does Knox create this commandment? Does it have any sense?

Something worth noting here:

Nearly all of the primary characters have Western names.

Should we presume that in this case, Chinaman refers to "character with an Asian name", then that means the culprit must be a character with a Western name.

Otherwise, we can assume this rule is omitted as 07 overlooking racism from a hundred years ago for some reason, i.e. not to offend his demographic, or because it's dated, etc.

The other question I had was if Battler's last blue theory was really ok. He said that he was the child from 19 years ago and the culprit, but Virgilia said in red that he was not the culprit in any of the games.

Sry if I have a lot of grammar mistakes while writing, I'm actually latinoamerican.

Thx.

I'm thinking now that there are two Battlers, and that Battler1, the present Battler, did something to greatly anger Battler2, years ago-- perhaps throwing away the name that he got as a result of Battler2's sacrifice infuriated Battler2.

Battler 2 is the firstborn of Asuma
Battler 1 is the firstborn of Kyrie

However, they were switched places for some sort of reason at birth.

Thus, Kyrie does not know that Battler 1 is her son.



The whole series of Murders is Battler 2 attempting to reclaim everything that he perceives the original Battler to have stolen. Battler 2 is culprit X-- he uses many many many means to enact his revenge.

I haven't completed 5 yet, but from the end of 4, that was my assumption.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but I have a question regarding ep5 (I haven't finished it yet though):

Before the 'final' accasuation of Natsuhi in the cathedral, just before the goats appear, there is something extremely confusing being said:

- There is a red truth confirming that Krauss died shortly after the morning phone conversation when Natsuhi heard his voice.
- There is a red truth confirming that Rosa came to the guesthouse at 1:00.
- The whole point of accusing Natsuhi is about her alibi between 24:00 and 1:00.

And then Lambda says something extremely confusing: she says that Natsuhi is the culprit for killing George, Maria, Jessica, Genji, Rosa and Krauss, since it was only possible from 0:00 to 1:00.

Wtf? Wtf??? It's a clear contradiction. I'm not even talking about the fact that according to Erika's story it was simply impossible to murder Rosa since she herself proclaims that no murder occured between 1:00 and the morning.

Krauss is not a problem since he could have been killed anytime. There isn't actually any proof that Natsuhi killed Krauss but since Erika "demonstrated" that only Natsuhi could kill the other 5 so it was "obvious" she also killed Krauss. Yes that's an incredible bad reasoning, but she did worse.

As for Rosa you'd have to think that Natsuhi has been hiding somewhere in the second floor of the guesthouse until 3:00 AM. Erika never said that but it is the only way to make her lame theory work.

[LaplaceNoMa]

Krauss is not a problem since he could have been killed anytime.

I'm not at home right now, but IIRC it was mentioned in red that he was 'killed shortly after Natushi heard his voice over the phone', meaning that it happened in the morning.

[ijriims]

Originally Posted by Mirrored

Something worth noting here:

Nearly all of the primary characters have Western names.

Should we presume that in this case, Chinaman refers to "character with an Asian name", then that means the culprit must be a character with a Western name.

Otherwise, we can assume this rule is omitted as 07 overlooking racism from a hundred years ago for some reason, i.e. not to offend his demographic, or because it's dated, etc.

Because he wants to sell more and doesn't want his work to be banned on Mainland China

[maximilianjenus]

Originally Posted by TeeHee

...........Could you at least propose a counter-theory?

While i am not up to sit down and write a full theory right now, it involves kanon being the culprit and shannon being beatrice, since kanon's death always have holes that allow him to continue killing.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa

I'm not at home right now, but IIRC it was mentioned in red that he was 'killed shortly after Natushi heard his voice over the phone', meaning that it happened in the morning.

Well yes but that was stated later when Erika had already "demonstrated" that Natsuhi was the culprit, and yet again there was absolutely no basis for that claim, you just have a witch's red truth.

[Mirrored]

Random Comments

I think that Umineko is not actually a Fantasy or a Mystery, but it is actually in the genre of Romance.

While we continually see the struggle between Fantasy and Mystery which continually ends in stalemate, there is a possibility of something that could break it.

Both Bern and Lambda do not see a possibility for Beatrice to win, none whatsoever. However, it is continually mentioned starting at the 4th episode, that only with Love can the truth be seen. It is hinted at during Episode 3 that Beatrice's method of winning is to have Battler actually accept her. Blah blah blah, continual Love Love Love hammering thematically during both 4 and 5. The Golden Truth is then gained after a particularly loveydovey "I understand you" moment in 5.

Thus, the way out of the endless game is only if Beatrice wins and Battler accepts her as a witch, something he would not do out of logic, but would be willing to do out of love.

The story itself meets the requirements of the Romance Genre and I fully expect it to end with a Romantic ending.

[ArcticHelm]

I'd have to agree to the extent that it definitely leaves that sort of impression. Honestly I can't really recall reading anything that has managed to hug several genre quite as well as Umineko has been doing. I think probably the most interesting aspect is going to be how all these different off-shoots are going to be resolved. Personally I can't imagine it concluding in a way which denies any of the different aspects as it would seem to be against the 'spirit' of the work - if that makes any sense; however it may be possible for readers to make their own conclusions which deny the different facets, especially if 'answers' are left open ended.

[bereal31]

Alright I am newb, so sorry if this is obvious.

I have two questions:

first, I haven't finished ep.5. but regarding the shannon and kannon being the same person theory, I am at the part where that dude smashed the glass and broke in Kinzo's study and they are all in Kinzo's study. Shannon and kannon are together in front of everyone.

second, I am at the part where diago first appeared and start owning beato. I just don't get why is it not possible for Kinzo to leave the study, and then put the paper back in the wedge or for someone to put the paper back in the wedge?

again I am sorry if this newb or obvious.

[TeeHee]

Originally Posted by bereal31

first, I haven't finished ep.5. but regarding the shannon and kannon being the same person theory, I am at the part where that dude smashed the glass and broke in Kinzo's study and they are all in Kinzo's study. Shannon and kannon are together in front of everyone.

Consider putting that theory out to pasture. Recall that there was a point that all eighteen people were in the same room, and Battler confirmed that there are in fact eighteen people in the room, including himself. Kanon and Shannon included.

Originally Posted by bereal31

second, I am at the part where diago first appeared and start owning beato. I just don't get why is it not possible for Kinzo to leave the study, and then put the paper back in the wedge or for someone to put the paper back in the wedge?

Red truth:
Kinzo is dead. He is dead before the Ushiromiya meeting of 1986 in all games, including the fifth game.
You learned this in the fourth game. Remember the Blue Truth/Red Truth fight between Battler and Beatrice?

Dead people are pretty useless.

[ArcticHelm]

It's unclear if Battler's perspective (observing both Kanon and Shannon together) is an accurate representation of what's going on as he isn't considered the detective at that current point. Ryukishi may have left that in as a trap to fool people from believing they were separate people, or as a trap in a trap to make them into a red-herring. Either way, it's possible to make a plausible theory in each case at the moment.

[bereal31]

Red truth:
Kinzo is dead. He is dead before the Ushiromiya meeting of 1986 in all games, including the fifth game.
You learned this in the fourth game. Remember the Blue Truth/Red Truth fight between Battler and Beatrice?

Dead people are pretty useless.

I am sorry, but this doesn't work for me.

As I understand you, Kinzo is dead and therefore no one could've been in the room, no one could've gotten out of the room, and no one could've put the paper back in the wedge.

This doesn't work since just because person A is dead does not mean a person cannot enter or exit Person A's room, or that no one could put the paper back in the Person A's door wedge.

For example, Sarah is dead. This doesn't mean, however, that someone couldn't enter or exit Sarah's room, nor does it mean that if someone put a wedge in Sarah's door, that no one can put it back.

From the way I see it, there is a possibility that someone and anyone or anything could've been in Kinzo's room. It or he could've gotten out of the room, then either noticed the paper and put it back or someone has.