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FlareKnight · 2013-10-20, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Kanon

She can't quit unless she wins. She would lose all credibility and the very few fans she has left if she did. She can't go back to Sweet Diva anymore and she knows it.

Well it's not like she can't literally quit. And while she'd have to work her way back up, it's hardly like it'd be impossible for her to get back to what she'd be doing. The fans would frankly be relieved to put that nonsense behind them. A lot easier to go back to supporting her once she's back doing what she's good at than sticking around while she's consistently losing.

She's just too stubborn to go back without any success. If she wasn't overly stubborn she wouldn't be doing this in the first place. Of course doesn't really matter since with this kind of setup she's probably never actually going to go back to being an idol anyways.

Humble Loser · 2013-10-20, 11:47

Don't get me wrong, this is a decent anime but nobody loses to the same move over-and-over again. If the Boston crab and sharpshooter (single Boston crab) were that godlike, she would use the move herself and instantly crush her opponents. Basically it would be a 100 meter Usain Bolt type of sprint to see who can most quickly slap the hold on the opponent. And while the crab is painful, you can get out in several ways. If I lost to the same move all the time, I'd have several counters. It's not like she's losing to a great variety of holds/locks where you could argue, "But there are so many moves being done to her, it's too hard to plan against." When it comes to just one move, you could counter that to the moon.

Sol Falling · 2013-10-20, 19:00

Just about covered what I've seen translated of the manga (vol. 1)...have to admit going through such a long string of losses twice is pretty brutal. Definitely looking forward to the payoff starting from next week when Sakura actually gets somewhere.

D-KLAC · 2013-10-20, 22:37

look if been like 0-50 wrestling record yet still counter or endurance the boston crab hold it's either fight it off your both physical & mental with you cause really those female japanese wrestler work really hard on their career so you fight it now!!!

& besides yet have you even got boston crab in your life?

besides give now sakura spar night training of full endurance by misaki really it just really to get rid of fear of boston crab move.

Frailty · 2013-10-21, 00:43

Ep.3 was too painful to watch. Losing 50 times in a row is pretty bad. What's worse, They've all been submission holds. Worst of all, they're all Boston crabs.

Chris Jericho seems so OP because of this lololol

Guido · 2013-10-21, 02:02

It was exasperating for me watching Sakura getting subdued by the same move for 50 straight matches in a row.

In all of those encounters the girl never learned from her past mistakes and just took the pain, as if she was a punching bag being tested by a boxer.

The Boston Crab is a good move but isn't absolutely invincible. It became so for Sakura; it's too obvious that the opponent not going to let her to escape to the ropes.
As somebody else pointed out she needs to develop counters and escape moves in order to break from that technique.

Feels like her body being put into that hold automatically loses endurance too quickly.

ZabiLegacy · 2013-10-21, 07:44

It feels really really weird her not being able to get out of that move a single time. Also, after her biggest trait up until now has been determination, it also feels weird seeing her losing over and over because she is just giving up. It didn't feel like a natural evolution of the story.

DXMichael · 2013-10-21, 11:35

Gaahh, I was so annoyed every time she gave up, it was hard to watch this episode :S 50 loses too...ouch..that sounds a lot worse than 100 throws XD

Master_Yoma · 2013-10-21, 21:19

This is getting more and more annoying each episode its how do one like 50 times like that an idol should never become a wrestler

xxxplizit · 2013-10-22, 00:26

Losing 50 times in a row with the same move? Shouldn't she hit the developmental territories to work her arsenal than attempting the "5 moves of doom"?

On the bright side, at least she didn't pull a Kevin Nash:

Anime Online · 2013-10-22, 03:25

I think it's quite clear why the same move was used for Sakura's repeated defeats: it saves money for the anime to keep doing the same move, and it is to keep showing shots of her crotch and breasts. I'm rather amazed how often and long the camera kept going for those areas. Even Sakura's cries seem to be part of the anime's attraction.

In a sense, Sakura's repeated losses is quite a welcome change. It's silly that animes often show total newbies losing one or two fights, then go on to win their way to the national tournament.

So far, this looks like an entirely fanservice-focused show, but I think this trend might be broken next week as Misaki seeks to impart valuable lessons on pro-wrestling to Sakura. I just hope it's practical tips on techniques and stuff, and not inspiring messages of "don't give up" and "I know you can do it".

Speaking of Misaki, she and Sakura really look alike.

Peanutbutter · 2013-10-22, 06:35

Now, who wrote this?

Quote:

In Japan, it is commonly used as a hold to defeat young and inexperienced wrestlers; the ability to overcome the hold is considered a sign of growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_crab

Benigmatica · 2013-10-22, 08:08

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Originally Posted by Peanutbutter

Now, who wrote this?

Quote:

In Japan, it is commonly used as a hold to defeat young and inexperienced wrestlers; the ability to overcome the hold is considered a sign of growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_crab

That's so bizarre. Then, why is Sakura couldn't grow when she got 50 losses thanks to the Boston Crab?

FlareKnight · 2013-10-22, 08:13

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Originally Posted by Benigmatica

That's so bizarre. Then, why is Sakura couldn't grow when she got 50 losses thanks to the Boston Crab?

Because she hasn't really grown at all during these matches

? You'd certainly assume past a certain point it'd be more of a downward spiral than anything else. No confidence she can overcome that hold and giving up mentally the moment that hold is put in place once again.

Kanon · 2013-10-22, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Anime Online

I think it's quite clear why the same move was used for Sakura's repeated defeats: it saves money for the anime to keep doing the same move, and it is to keep showing shots of her crotch and breasts. I'm rather amazed how often and long the camera kept going for those areas. Even Sakura's cries seem to be part of the anime's attraction.

It was the same of the manga, so it's not a case of the anime trying to save money.

ZabiLegacy · 2013-10-22, 10:37

How are heel tactics like using chairs and helpers still allowed in this version of wrestling? Can you literally do anything?

EroKing · 2013-10-22, 10:49

^It had to be a hardcore no-disqualification match for sure

lol@Kevin Nash meme.

Also, don't see anyone getting out of it once the move is perfectly locked in

ZabiLegacy · 2013-10-22, 12:25

But the reason people can do that is because it's prescripted. What if there was a version of pro-wrestling that wasn't scripted where you could just do whatever the hell you wanted. Have other people join in sure? Use the judge as a bludgeon? Of course. Hey audiance want to run into the match? YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES

Anime Online · 2013-10-22, 22:37

It would likely be too dangerous if the matches are not scripted. Serious injury can result from just one throw. And matches would likely be over too quickly to be entertaining.

It finally dawn on me that Sakura isn't fighting other wrestlers at all. Her opponent is the Boston Crab. Only when she defeats the Boston Crab, can she move on to the next boss battle.

xxxplizit · 2013-10-22, 22:39

Why do I have a feeling that the next episode will have Sakura reverse a Boston Crab similar to this match (skip to 11:55; sharpshooter but similar reversal):

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2013-10-21, 00:43	Link #105
Frailty Constellation Graphic Designer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pearl of the Orient Seas Age: 31	Ep.3 was too painful to watch. Losing 50 times in a row is pretty bad. What's worse, They've all been submission holds. Worst of all, they're all Boston crabs. Chris Jericho seems so OP because of this lololol __________________

2013-10-21, 07:44	Link #107
ZabiLegacy Robo Rampage Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Aboa Qu	It feels really really weird her not being able to get out of that move a single time. Also, after her biggest trait up until now has been determination, it also feels weird seeing her losing over and over because she is just giving up. It didn't feel like a natural evolution of the story. __________________ For more from me, follow my writing at http://sekijitsu.com. To get easy accesses to our newest posts, please consider liking our brand spanking new Facebook Page.

2013-10-21, 11:35	Link #108
DXMichael Psycho Falling Deep Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Anime World Age: 29	Gaahh, I was so annoyed every time she gave up, it was hard to watch this episode :S 50 loses too...ouch..that sounds a lot worse than 100 throws XD __________________

2013-10-21, 21:19	Link #109
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	This is getting more and more annoying each episode its how do one like 50 times like that an idol should never become a wrestler __________________

2013-10-20, 11:47	Link #102
Humble Loser Spineless Main Character Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Anywhere & Everywhere	Don't get me wrong, this is a decent anime but nobody loses to the same move over-and-over again. If the Boston crab and sharpshooter (single Boston crab) were that godlike, she would use the move herself and instantly crush her opponents. Basically it would be a 100 meter Usain Bolt type of sprint to see who can most quickly slap the hold on the opponent. And while the crab is painful, you can get out in several ways. If I lost to the same move all the time, I'd have several counters. It's not like she's losing to a great variety of holds/locks where you could argue, "But there are so many moves being done to her, it's too hard to plan against." When it comes to just one move, you could counter that to the moon.

2013-10-20, 19:00	Link #103
Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Just about covered what I've seen translated of the manga (vol. 1)...have to admit going through such a long string of losses twice is pretty brutal. Definitely looking forward to the payoff starting from next week when Sakura actually gets somewhere.

2013-10-21, 02:02	Link #106
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	It was exasperating for me watching Sakura getting subdued by the same move for 50 straight matches in a row. In all of those encounters the girl never learned from her past mistakes and just took the pain, as if she was a punching bag being tested by a boxer. The Boston Crab is a good move but isn't absolutely invincible. It became so for Sakura; it's too obvious that the opponent not going to let her to escape to the ropes. As somebody else pointed out she needs to develop counters and escape moves in order to break from that technique. Feels like her body being put into that hold automatically loses endurance too quickly.

2013-10-22, 00:26	Link #110
xxxplizit triple-echhi Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In bed	Losing 50 times in a row with the same move? Shouldn't she hit the developmental territories to work her arsenal than attempting the "5 moves of doom"? On the bright side, at least she didn't pull a Kevin Nash: __________________

2013-10-22, 03:25	Link #111
Anime Online Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	I think it's quite clear why the same move was used for Sakura's repeated defeats: it saves money for the anime to keep doing the same move, and it is to keep showing shots of her crotch and breasts. I'm rather amazed how often and long the camera kept going for those areas. Even Sakura's cries seem to be part of the anime's attraction. In a sense, Sakura's repeated losses is quite a welcome change. It's silly that animes often show total newbies losing one or two fights, then go on to win their way to the national tournament. So far, this looks like an entirely fanservice-focused show, but I think this trend might be broken next week as Misaki seeks to impart valuable lessons on pro-wrestling to Sakura. I just hope it's practical tips on techniques and stuff, and not inspiring messages of "don't give up" and "I know you can do it". Speaking of Misaki, she and Sakura really look alike.

2013-10-22, 10:37	Link #116
ZabiLegacy Robo Rampage Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Aboa Qu	How are heel tactics like using chairs and helpers still allowed in this version of wrestling? Can you literally do anything? __________________ For more from me, follow my writing at http://sekijitsu.com. To get easy accesses to our newest posts, please consider liking our brand spanking new Facebook Page.

2013-10-22, 10:49	Link #117
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	^It had to be a hardcore no-disqualification match for sure lol@Kevin Nash meme. <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/hsYmZSQDmhg">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> Also, don't see anyone getting out of it once the move is perfectly locked in __________________

2013-10-22, 12:25	Link #118
ZabiLegacy Robo Rampage Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Aboa Qu	But the reason people can do that is because it's prescripted. What if there was a version of pro-wrestling that wasn't scripted where you could just do whatever the hell you wanted. Have other people join in sure? Use the judge as a bludgeon? Of course. Hey audiance want to run into the match? YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES __________________ For more from me, follow my writing at http://sekijitsu.com. To get easy accesses to our newest posts, please consider liking our brand spanking new Facebook Page.

2013-10-22, 22:37	Link #119
Anime Online Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	It would likely be too dangerous if the matches are not scripted. Serious injury can result from just one throw. And matches would likely be over too quickly to be entertaining. It finally dawn on me that Sakura isn't fighting other wrestlers at all. Her opponent is the Boston Crab. Only when she defeats the Boston Crab, can she move on to the next boss battle.

2013-10-22, 22:39	Link #120
xxxplizit triple-echhi Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In bed	Why do I have a feeling that the next episode will have Sakura reverse a Boston Crab similar to this match (skip to 11:55; sharpshooter but similar reversal): <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/vEzT-OeOcns">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> __________________