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2013-01-22, 13:05 | Link #5603 |
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Well I'm now up to episode 9 of Seed Destiny, and I have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised.
I stalled the second series after two episodes way back because I couldn't get into it but it seems that after the "stolen Gundam attack" thing ended after episode 3, the story went into a totally different direction than the one I thought it would. The Co-ordinator terrorists then came into the picture and the result was five to six episodes of carefully planned break down of relations between two sides and the build up to a new war. This is great because probably my biggest gripe with all the previous Gundam instalments is that they would always throw you straight into the conflict and you don't truly understand why the war even started in the first place, but this time they actually showed it all in a clear unambiguous fashion. It wasn't perfect by any means but I did think it was quite well done. The characters are also better than i thought. As expected, Athrun makes a a great protagonist (I've already said my thoughts on this before) but I also like the addition of Shin. Unlike many previous Gundam-piloting protagonists, this one isn't a total neutral caught in the conflict. He's very much opinionated and has his own biases, which makes him pretty down to earth. Can be a bit of an arsehole at times but he's still sympathetic. Hope it continues to be this good. [EDIT] Episode 10 Well that was another good episode except for the whole Lacus Clyne public debacle. The fake reveal and her talk with Athrun at the end was nice but I just hope the real one continues to stay as far away from this story as possible...
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2013-01-22, 16:15 | Link #5606 | ||
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2013-01-23, 06:44 | Link #5607 |
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Episode 11
To be honest, I'm not really all that pleased with this direction since the whole logic behind Orb forming an alliance with the Earth Feds is just too nonsensical. They don't want a repeat of Earth Feds trying to invade them because they didn't pick their side, so now they will? And to a side that didn't hesitate to launch a huge nuclear strike that could've wiped out billions? They did make a point that it's about Realpolitik and not ideals but this is waaaay beyond lacking in ideals. It's lacking in basic moral decency. And what about the public opinion factor? That was a clear factor when it came to perception about Co-ordinators, so why wasn't there any factor of the Orb people not wanting to side with people that tried to invade them and was killing them just two years ago? It's amazing in itself that the politicians of Orb are that corrupt but somehow Cagalli was convinced by this BS? I'm also kinda hoping the Chairman of PLANT isn't as freaking perfect as he seems to be because it's starting to look like the evil is heavily skewed to one side.
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2013-01-23, 07:23 | Link #5608 | |
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2013-01-23, 08:39 | Link #5609 |
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ORB allying is not only to prevent another Invasion but because the party Yuna is a part of is making backdoor deals with the Feds to benefit greatly from it. Cagalli is forced to agree as she's powerless to stop her entire cabinet desiring to join with the Feds(that and public outcry is against ZAFT at this point due to the colony drop attempt) even if all their reasons aren't the same. Had Kira or Athrun been there to support her during this she may have had the strength to deny them and argue against it but they weren't. Instead Cagalli was alone and is too prideful to go to at least Kira for comfort and support to build up her confidence.
Quite frankly she just isn't ready to rule yet. Her youth, nativity of the world of Politics, and inexperience is too easily exploitable which the more experienced ORB politicians have no trouble doing. That and she's wrestling with the fact that she loves Athrun but must eventually marry Yuna for the good of ORB. Another thing to consider is that Cagalli rebelled against that life in SEED and has little to no Political training as she was more of an Action Girl. Yuna on the other hand was bred for the Political sphere and manipulating others to get what he wants. |
2013-01-23, 09:03 | Link #5611 | |
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Episode 13 & 14 Kira has once again returned to the storyline but I'ma little mixed on that. My opinion is still the same as previously. Athrun makes a much better protagonist and it's hard to see what role Kira could play that Athrun can't but this is just guess work. Kira could very well be given a unique role and that would make three unique protagonists so the potential is great. The wedding, however, I just think is a needless and forced on drama. There's more than enough potential in her political conflicts and no need to regress her character this way in order to develop her again. And we already know the other Orb politicians are jackasses. We don't need to be shown that they misogynist jackasses too. Plus the whole drama feels contrite in itself. How is the wedding actually good for their country anyway? Is it really that kind of country that cares about shit like that? I mean, I do know what it's like to live in a country where royal weddings happen, but in my experience the cultural unity that forms isn't all that significant enough for Cagalli to make that kind of sacrifice. Maybe Orb works differently but I have no idea how Orb works differently and that's kinda frustrating. If you can't understand the context of situation, then how can you understand the drama that's caused by it? Gundams are in the business of beating enemies and saving lives, not crashing in on melodramatic weddings. Well hopefully that whole thing is over and done with and Cagalli can start moving forward again.
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2013-01-23, 09:20 | Link #5613 | |
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Oh, I didn't say that the dam's gonna break anytime soon. I'm afraid it's gonna happen slowly and painfully . Hope you prepared for it. That said, have a nice trip.
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2013-01-23, 10:12 | Link #5614 |
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The wedding would have made more sense if Yuna was even shown to exist in SEED and it was at least hinted at than. It really is forced since Yuna, despite being a veteran politician whose somewhat older than Cagalli, never appeared in SEED. Not even in the HD Remaster that showcased Shinn, Lunamaria, and Rey. They even hinted at Lunamaria being attracted to Shinn in HD Remaster SEED with the far off and confused look they gave her as she looks at Shinn while they await the ride to take them to their training.
It's because Yuna is a stellar Politician and is from a very well off family. The Citizens of ORB only see a handsome man that seems to want to do what's best for ORB. They also don't know that Cagalli doesn't want to marry Yuna and is being forced into it as it was arranged in her youth by her Father. Most likely to placate that party at the time and strengthen ties for ORB at the top. The Wedding also helps distract the People from the horrible tragedies that are happening recently. Thus the wedding being bumped up in due date is due to Political reasons which Cagalli lacked the ability to refute due to her inexperience and feeling alone. Besides, Cagalli is willing to sacrifice everything, even her own happiness, if it's for the best of ORB. At least that way she can, in a way, honor her late Father who died for ORB and its core ideals. FYI - Cagalli doesn't get better for a long while. Expect a lot of crying from here on out and Kira spouting hypocrisy which Athrun does refute quite a few times in the series. |
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Anyway I'm now 16 episodes in and I'm still overall enjoying it. The most recent interesting scene is Shinn acting against orders to attack a base and save oppressed people, and Athrun reprimanding him for it. It's easy to see both sides' perspective here. Shinn had just seen the destruction of allies and saw what was an easy target for a tit for tat response: not only would he be destroying the enemy responsible but also save oppressed civilians. But ZAFT only have orders aggressive self defence so going as far as to kill soldiers who can't fight back and destroy a base is easily the kind of renegade action that can escalate conflicts beyond hope, regardless of how right it seemed at the time. I'm liking the way Athrun and Shinn's characters play off each other. There's still a lot more potential between the two. (EDIT: And Episode 17 proved very fruitful) The pacing is still as annoying as ever though. Overuse of flashbacks and stock scenes like transformations and launching can really kill my engagement, just like it did last season. Though I'm not yet at the point where every battle scene starts to look the same.
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