2011-11-11, 11:09 | Link #6782 |
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Why is this manga so intent on making us forgive Laxus? This is not meant to hate on the character, but his atonement should be more gradual. When he got excommunicated, we basically get Natsu yelling in our faces about how "overblown" excommunication is, even though he did endanger people. I praise Laxus' involvement in fighting Hades, but it seems like a blatant way to maintain status quo. I just wish it could be handled a bit better.
Anyway, we're finally gonna get some insight on Polyrusica! Yeah, so her constant phrasing wasn't just some boomerang bigotry... |
2011-11-11, 11:15 | Link #6783 |
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natsu being able to use lightning? how is that possible? the last time he did that he got it from laxus, how did he steal lightning this time? anyone care to explain? maybe i just missed something.
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2011-11-11, 11:30 | Link #6786 |
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Chapter is a disappointment. Natsu doesn't need lightning and the battle with Max makes no sense. Natsu was suppossedly #1 at his age and even if others now equal his years of experience he should have been able to edge them out, without resorting to hidden annoying canon breaking technique. I hope it is explained later by the author, or better translation(it's probably the author though). The other guilds simply should have more members that are at their level because of better recruiting and a few higher ups more powerful like the last chapter. This all of a sudden makes it seem like magic is some kind of technology that increases over time. It also disrupts the usually assumed reasoning that older magic=better magic.
The only positive out of this whole thing was the fact that they are supposedly an underdog now, but seeing Natsu's ability to make something out of nothing, I have a feeling the other characters will do the same. I want a story arc to explain them a. getting better/super short training arc barely a chapter long or b. work their way to the top with smarter tactics and increasing teamwork. I would simply be happy if Lucy started pulling her weight and using her supposedly powerful/awesome golden keys in a competent manner. That alone would help them in a fight to the top spot.
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2011-11-11, 11:31 | Link #6787 | |
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- He made it sound like everyone became so much stronger the Natsu's just... "meh", now. (Let alone Lucy and the other B-listers.) It's like, say, Tiger Woods (he's still a good golfer, right? I don't follow sports) get time warped 7 years in the future. Sure, new players may have risen to his level - but he'll still be a goddamn good golfer. |
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I don't understand why you guys don't get people can beat Natsu now. Fairy was the strongest guild in Fiore, it lost it's rep because it' core members disappeared but everyone (with very few exceptions) in FT is strong. When you take that high strength and give it 7 years to grow while the others don't grow at all in power during this time it makes sense they are stronger or as strong as the core members now. To be honest, without plot-no-jutsu, Natsu is not that strong (as was made evident for the thousandth time this chapter). Quote:
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2011-11-11, 12:15 | Link #6791 |
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you don't get it. Read Ann Minh's comment that is what we're saying. Sure you improve, but in his peer group he was still the best. He has the body and experience of let's say a 15 year old when he's really chronologically 22 or something. But at his level against what are now 15 years old's he should still wipe the floor with them, he was supposedly the #1 person at his age group in Fiore at the time. So a timeskip facing what are biologically the same people means he should be edging them out. Next the technology comment is completely legitimate. Magic/Life force energy is trained. That doesn't mean that ten years later all of a sudden humans use their Magic/Life force energy like a 2.0 version of everything. Individually as time progresses they get better, but age-wise, 16 year old from the past should be exactly just as relevant and = to 16 of future. Now you can say they discovered a few things, like improving techniques across the board just a little bit maybe, but you got what you got. Not like in technology where memory capabilities and chip production make for increasingly smaller and faster computing machines. Even if you're saying the others were good prospects too. They should get edged out, but it should be close without having to resort to lightning fire technique. The author could have made his point without having to do that. It's never stated how they train, or what they need to do to train besides a class they took. Also something like that would seriously need to be mentioned more than, it's been 7 years. Also saying they trained harder than Natsu, whose only goal is to become strongest and hundreds of times tries to be throughout the manga just won't make sense to me. And if you read it again, he did lose to max on the color page. That was the re-match. I'm going to agree to disagree with you on this because I think we won't be changing our stances anytime soon.
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2011-11-11, 12:36 | Link #6792 |
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^ wait i don't get it. Yeah he may still be good, but 7 years of not training is gonna leave someone rusty compared to 7 years of someone else having trained. Even though it may have only felt like a week to Natsu and them, it was still 7 years. Ann Minh mentioned the Tiger Woods reference, but ask any sports player and if they don't use their body in a while, it can take a while to get back into it while others have gotten better. Its a pretty simple idea actually.
Anyway, this chapter was kinda stupid. I gotta stop reading them and just read wikipedia. I still don't get the lightning powers, sad that Natsu still had to win, sad Gildarts left and Markarov is master again since i wanted some change, sad Laxus is immediately back in the guild so easily, but he seems okay, and sad i don't even have a clue what the storyline for this arc is. But i do like all the new clothes everyone has And interested in the Grandeeny thing and whatever it was the guild was talking about. oh and loved that pic of the colored Natsu and Lucy in the first page. |
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A 17(?) years old Natsu is weaker than a 24 years old Max. Sorry but I don't see where the problem is, or you are saying that the gap between Natsu and Max was really that big or that Max shouldn't have become better with time |
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2011-11-11, 12:45 | Link #6795 | |
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17 year old Natsu (best in his age group) beats 10 year old Max easily Timeskip: 17 year old Natsu edges out (best in his age group) but is tired after barely beating 17 year old Max But should not require fire/lightning attack. So unless Max is even older than Natsu, then I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.
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2011-11-11, 12:55 | Link #6797 | |
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Unless he's going on some fact finding mission which I really doubt. I guess it would be too easy to be number one with Gildarts doing all the wins himself.
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http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Max Before the timeskip he was 17 and significantly below the presumably 18 year old Natsu. Now he is 24 and has spent the last 7 years increasing in strength and closing the gap, whereas Natsu is still the same 18 year old. Talking about a ten year old Max compared to a pre-time skip Natsu makes no sense because we've never seen Max at age 10. |
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The problem isn't that Max somehow became stronger than Natsu. It's that his strength is presented as nothing special in what became the weakest guild around. He was basically a mook before the timeskip, and he's still a mook now - but the everyone's power became such that Natsu's weaker than that. Which shouldn't have happened in seven piddly years (remember that at the time, the Salamander was known and feared by mages of all ages, not just teenagers). It'd be like saying the average player of 2011's NBA is much stronger than the average player of 2004's player. That, in fact, the average player of 2011 is at the level of of 2004's B-list stars. Admittedly, I don't follow Basket either, but I don't think the game's changed that much in seven years.
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