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SaintessHeart · 2009-11-15, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Keroko

The difference between survivability in a shield-specced warrior an a two-handed specced one is huge. Even more so when you start using the various modes against certain mobs, making you virtually immune against knockdowns, extremely hard to kill by arrows and so on. Making shield warriors champions also allows them to throw around auras that increase defense even more.

My Templar-Reaver usually stands in the thick of battle, getting hit the most in the entire party, yet Sten and Oghren always manage to die first. And that's without using any of the modes.

2 Handers are more towards DD, but with strategy you can use them to take out rangers and mages fast if you don't have a Rogue in your party. They got plenty of life and protection and are able to deal damage out really fast.

But you still have to be careful of assassins. There is no skill that deters against backstabs, which ignore armor + crit.

Tokkan · 2009-11-15, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Templar-Reaver

Almost an oxymoron considering Reaver is basically in every sense a form of blood magic.

Keroko · 2009-11-15, 12:20

Exactly why I did it. My Templar is the biggest hypocrite around, he'll kill Blood Mages no matter how good or evil the deed they're performing, unless they give him a suitable monetary or empowering reward. His stance on his use of blood magic is "I am using it to hunt apostates, that makes it right."

Yeah, I build my characters on role-playing rather than stats.

Hourai Rabbit · 2009-11-15, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Almost an oxymoron considering Reaver is basically in every sense a form of blood magic.

Isn't it wonderful?

Crimrui · 2009-11-15, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Leliana looks totally diffrent in the CGI trailers. while Morrigan looks pretty much the same and looks better ingame than Leliana does.

I actually think that both Morrigan and Leliana are better looking ingame then in that CGI Trailer. Much much better...

Shame that Alistar isn't showed. I wonder how he would look. =)

HayashiTakara · 2009-11-15, 17:25

I hate this... my coworkers have the game and they're always talking about it, I want in on it!!! But I'm stuck here in my office T-T.. Tomorrow... tomorrow...

Skane · 2009-11-15, 20:40

Generally speaking, if you have someone capable of casting Force Field, the Revenants are pushovers. Your tank will have the initial aggro, but eventually, the Revenant may seek out another target and will abandon all reason to pursue that target till the bitter end.

You cast Force Field on that target, and make the Revenant waste all that mighty dps of his on damage immunity... It is at this point that you throw all your available dps on it.

If you don't have Force Field, do not despair. You can still kite... Simply control whoever the Revenant is targetting, and dance around an object with the Revenant in tow. Always keep that object between you and the Revenant, be it be a rock, a tree, or a table...

The reason is simple enough, it prevents you from getting pulled right next to him when he casts his Pull spell. The object... blocks you.

Using this method, the only healing I ever needed to do was from the AoE cleaves, which I could have probably avoided as well if I switched everybody to range. I generally only burn about 4-5 health pots per Revenant, usually less.

Cheers.

Jaden · 2009-11-16, 13:59

Fireball is awesome. Makes things a lot easier when you start every battle by knocking everyone down and setting them on fire. And you can use it even if you're locked in melee, as long as your party is located on the same side in relation to your foes. Drakes are giving me trouble because they just shrug off fireballs....I'm possibly relying on it too much. :P

On revenants I just use flame weapons and lots of healing. They resist spells very often.

SageGaiGar · 2009-11-16, 15:24

One of my buddies is going the Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage route. So far his char survives *everything* ... while team Alistair, Morrigan, and Wynne gets wtfpwned all the time. Silly mages fighting upfront. FailTactics.

ZeroForever · 2009-11-16, 16:33

i have the blood/arcane build... though honestly i've gotten to the point where i really don't need to use it and it's more of a fun thing if i wanna solo things. it's usually faster just to spam skills to kill everything honestly.

side thoughts Ranger class is pretty uber... the pets are pretty much equal to the dog PC and each have unique sets of skills that don't interfere with what the rogue is doing. Seriously overpower, dread howl, charge, are very good disables and they do good damage (50 a hit about for me at least) only real down side is you have to set the micros for them each time there summoned as it resets and there skill bars don't show there full range of moves.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2009-11-16, 16:33

The only logical solution to foes shrugging off Fireball is more Fireball... with a splash of Inferno, don't forget the Grease.

I'm a chronic pauser, my fights were (usually I could get the drop) *pause* Send in Alister - Earthquake - Inferno - Mass Paralysis(Sleep) *un-Pause* those go off together *pause* Grease *un-pause/pause* Fireball... *un-pause* Alister to taunt them and keep them in the flames, then watch the fireworks (that initial setup takes about 5 seconds in real time). Variations of that have kept me through every fight, cept the big bosses... take more care with those otherwise its BBQ central.

Whats the 'blood/arcane' build?

Otani-kun · 2009-11-16, 17:18

I dont really recall pausing a LOT during battle, only if I lose track of what's going on or use a spell that isnt in any of the tactic slots (Group Heal), but mostly when I need to carefully aim Cone of Cold so I dont hit my teammates.

I should have Morrigan learn Fireball sooner in my next playthrough, I have all her Ice and Lightning spells but none of Fire. (and Rock, but I consider that not very useful) =/

Kyero Fox · 2009-11-16, 17:36

mages are OP, seriously

HayashiTakara · 2009-11-16, 20:35

finally installing the game, but goddamn 15gigs? O_O.. pc games just keep getting more and more massive.

Kyero Fox · 2009-11-17, 00:04

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Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

finally installing the game, but goddamn 15gigs? O_O.. pc games just keep getting more and more massive.

thats a good thing my dear friend.

SaintessHeart · 2009-11-17, 00:10

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Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

finally installing the game, but goddamn 15gigs? O_O.. pc games just keep getting more and more massive.

You can compare that size to Kurumu's boobs.

Kyero Fox · 2009-11-17, 00:11

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

You can compare that size to Kurumu's boobs.

more like Tifas.... Kurumu's don't compare...

Jaden · 2009-11-17, 00:14

Mages are OP. Fits well with the story though, most people in the world fear them. You can intimidate bandits etc. untact folk into shitting their pants by just convincing them you're a mage. The only legit magic school in the world is watched by a battallion of templars to keep them in check. It's fitting that they actually have spells that would give pause to small armies.

There are also very few mages, to balance things out. (Exception being the dragon cult, which seems to have at least 100 mages)

Kyero Fox · 2009-11-17, 00:25

yet Templars should woop mages with much more ease and shouldnt be afraid of them. yet here we are getting owned by tiny spells.

DragoonKain3 · 2009-11-17, 01:50

It's not the mages thats OP (can they do 317 single target dps like the rogue does? can they keep aggro as long as they're alive like the warrior? nope!), its just that certain skills needs to be fixed.

Arcane Warrior's Shimmering Shield does NOT turn off once you run out of mana in the PC, meaning you can be nigh invincible for as long as you like. And with blood mage, you can still cast things as well even under permanent Shield. That's just an exploit no matter how I see it; it's roughly equivalent to a WoW Paladin that has Divine Shield permanently up.

Cone of Cold by itself is good, but considering freezing does NOT do diminishing returns like stuns, you can permafreeze even cold immune enemies like the revenants with multiple mages. Easily remedied by having freeze do diminshing returns like stuns.

Force Field is just too cheap for its cost. Lower duration and cooldown time, but keep same mana cost. So you can save your tank from being instaglibbed by a grab, but can't keep an enemy occupied for a lenthy amount of time without being a drain on your mana.

Vast majority of spells don't need Line of Sight. This is especially devastating with AoEs, when you can AoE the unsuspecting enemies from the other side of the wall via overhead view. Fix is simple, have them require LoS like Blood Mage's Blood Wound does. Or even have enemies have greater range detection on harder difficulties, so there will be loads of times when you have to aim the AoE via third person (and that makes it 10x harder).

Apart from that, I have no problems with mages. They have excellent crowd control/AoE/support skills like they should since they have pathetic normal dps and survivability, but the above items listed is just a wee bit too powerful.

2009-11-15, 17:25	Link #186
HayashiTakara Chicken or Beef? Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 41	I hate this... my coworkers have the game and they're always talking about it, I want in on it!!! But I'm stuck here in my office T-T.. Tomorrow... tomorrow... __________________ http://htakara82.deviantart.com/

2009-11-15, 20:40	Link #187
Skane Anime Snark Join Date: May 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 41	Generally speaking, if you have someone capable of casting Force Field, the Revenants are pushovers. Your tank will have the initial aggro, but eventually, the Revenant may seek out another target and will abandon all reason to pursue that target till the bitter end. You cast Force Field on that target, and make the Revenant waste all that mighty dps of his on damage immunity... It is at this point that you throw all your available dps on it. If you don't have Force Field, do not despair. You can still kite... Simply control whoever the Revenant is targetting, and dance around an object with the Revenant in tow. Always keep that object between you and the Revenant, be it be a rock, a tree, or a table... The reason is simple enough, it prevents you from getting pulled right next to him when he casts his Pull spell. The object... blocks you. Using this method, the only healing I ever needed to do was from the AoE cleaves, which I could have probably avoided as well if I switched everybody to range. I generally only burn about 4-5 health pots per Revenant, usually less. Cheers. __________________ Hearthstone Battletag: Skane#1425 [Can't GIF This], [Jail's House of Rock], [Kanon In The Snow], [She Ain't Dead Yet... She's In Quantum], [She Stabs] Founder of "The Cult of Psycho-Moe", Member of "ARIA the Social Group" & the "Belkan Saint Church".

2009-11-16, 15:24	Link #189
SageGaiGar You are Next Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE USA	One of my buddies is going the Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage route. So far his char survives everything ... while team Alistair, Morrigan, and Wynne gets wtfpwned all the time. Silly mages fighting upfront. FailTactics. __________________ sig courtesy of Haak and Natsuki Hyuga Friends don't let friends CB

2009-11-16, 16:33	Link #190
ZeroForever Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: all and none	i have the blood/arcane build... though honestly i've gotten to the point where i really don't need to use it and it's more of a fun thing if i wanna solo things. it's usually faster just to spam skills to kill everything honestly. side thoughts Ranger class is pretty uber... the pets are pretty much equal to the dog PC and each have unique sets of skills that don't interfere with what the rogue is doing. Seriously overpower, dread howl, charge, are very good disables and they do good damage (50 a hit about for me at least) only real down side is you have to set the micros for them each time there summoned as it resets and there skill bars don't show there full range of moves. __________________ the anti-thesis of myself

2009-11-16, 16:33	Link #191
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	The only logical solution to foes shrugging off Fireball is more Fireball... with a splash of Inferno, don't forget the Grease. I'm a chronic pauser, my fights were (usually I could get the drop) pause Send in Alister - Earthquake - Inferno - Mass Paralysis(Sleep) un-Pause those go off together pause Grease un-pause/pause Fireball... un-pause Alister to taunt them and keep them in the flames, then watch the fireworks (that initial setup takes about 5 seconds in real time). Variations of that have kept me through every fight, cept the big bosses... take more care with those otherwise its BBQ central. Whats the 'blood/arcane' build? __________________

2009-11-15, 12:20	Link #183
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Exactly why I did it. My Templar is the biggest hypocrite around, he'll kill Blood Mages no matter how good or evil the deed they're performing, unless they give him a suitable monetary or empowering reward. His stance on his use of blood magic is "I am using it to hunt apostates, that makes it right." Yeah, I build my characters on role-playing rather than stats.

2009-11-16, 13:59	Link #188
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Fireball is awesome. Makes things a lot easier when you start every battle by knocking everyone down and setting them on fire. And you can use it even if you're locked in melee, as long as your party is located on the same side in relation to your foes. Drakes are giving me trouble because they just shrug off fireballs....I'm possibly relying on it too much. :P On revenants I just use flame weapons and lots of healing. They resist spells very often.

2009-11-16, 17:18	Link #192
Otani-kun Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Age: 35	I dont really recall pausing a LOT during battle, only if I lose track of what's going on or use a spell that isnt in any of the tactic slots (Group Heal), but mostly when I need to carefully aim Cone of Cold so I dont hit my teammates. I should have Morrigan learn Fireball sooner in my next playthrough, I have all her Ice and Lightning spells but none of Fire. (and Rock, but I consider that not very useful) =/

2009-11-16, 17:36	Link #193
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	mages are OP, seriously __________________

2009-11-16, 20:35	Link #194
HayashiTakara Chicken or Beef? Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 41	finally installing the game, but goddamn 15gigs? O_O.. pc games just keep getting more and more massive. __________________ http://htakara82.deviantart.com/

2009-11-17, 00:14	Link #198
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Mages are OP. Fits well with the story though, most people in the world fear them. You can intimidate bandits etc. untact folk into shitting their pants by just convincing them you're a mage. The only legit magic school in the world is watched by a battallion of templars to keep them in check. It's fitting that they actually have spells that would give pause to small armies. There are also very few mages, to balance things out. (Exception being the dragon cult, which seems to have at least 100 mages)

2009-11-17, 00:25	Link #199
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	yet Templars should woop mages with much more ease and shouldnt be afraid of them. yet here we are getting owned by tiny spells. __________________

2009-11-17, 01:50	Link #200
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	It's not the mages thats OP (can they do 317 single target dps like the rogue does? can they keep aggro as long as they're alive like the warrior? nope!), its just that certain skills needs to be fixed. Arcane Warrior's Shimmering Shield does NOT turn off once you run out of mana in the PC, meaning you can be nigh invincible for as long as you like. And with blood mage, you can still cast things as well even under permanent Shield. That's just an exploit no matter how I see it; it's roughly equivalent to a WoW Paladin that has Divine Shield permanently up. Cone of Cold by itself is good, but considering freezing does NOT do diminishing returns like stuns, you can permafreeze even cold immune enemies like the revenants with multiple mages. Easily remedied by having freeze do diminshing returns like stuns. Force Field is just too cheap for its cost. Lower duration and cooldown time, but keep same mana cost. So you can save your tank from being instaglibbed by a grab, but can't keep an enemy occupied for a lenthy amount of time without being a drain on your mana. Vast majority of spells don't need Line of Sight. This is especially devastating with AoEs, when you can AoE the unsuspecting enemies from the other side of the wall via overhead view. Fix is simple, have them require LoS like Blood Mage's Blood Wound does. Or even have enemies have greater range detection on harder difficulties, so there will be loads of times when you have to aim the AoE via third person (and that makes it 10x harder). Apart from that, I have no problems with mages. They have excellent crowd control/AoE/support skills like they should since they have pathetic normal dps and survivability, but the above items listed is just a wee bit too powerful.