Mahouka - Episode 26 (END) Discussion / Poll

[tigerdave]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Can I ask a serious question?

What Tatsuya did at the end, where he activated Material Burst for the second time where he destroyed the Great Asian Alliance ships while it is on its way to attack Japan again, was that really the right thing to do? And I also want to here other people opinion about this please.

Considering Magic, there might have been other ways to prevent an another battle and at least without losing anymore lives, even though they are the enemy, I don't know.

Well, they did it to prevent a possible drawn out war. Something that the light novel makes clear is that no civilians were near the base, so there were no civilian casualties. That's about as good of a preemptive strike as possible and the best outcome for both nations. Tatsuya's performance may have secured Japan's safety for the foreseeable future.

[Netto Azure]

"Miyuki and the group jizzing themselves after Jesus launched a judgement attack. Perfect ending."

[rladls2121]

Then, I may consider this novel indirectly foreshadowed Collective Self Defense.

I wonder if people actually wanted these kinds of situtation in real life though.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder if people actually wanted these kinds of situtation in real life though.

Good adaptation but that's all there is too it.

In real life no one want a total massacre or war if your living in a peaceful country. ignorance is a bliss and people not directly affected by it want to stay on status of peace.

This is one sided massacre which was dub as preemptive strike to lessen casualties but its a one sided casualty.

if its in real life they will probably argue on use of nuke and environmental side effects but here its just a huge bomb and no radioactive. A pure energy unleash.

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Then, I may consider this novel indirectly foreshadowed Collective Self Defense.

You're right about that. And it's scary that Japan's Self-Defense Force has becoming more of a fighting force each passing day, which would pissed China and the Korean Peninsula. On the other hand, they'll get most of the casualties by Chinese forces despite having US backing.

[Tormenk]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Can I ask a serious question?

What Tatsuya did at the end, where he activated Material Burst for the second time where he destroyed the Great Asian Alliance ships while it is on its way to attack Japan again, was that really the right thing to do? And I also want to here other people opinion about this please.

Considering Magic, there might have been other ways to prevent an another battle and at least without losing anymore lives, even though they are the enemy, I don't know.

There were no other ways to blockade the impending naval fleet and given their size it would have been hard to do so anyway. The GAA initiated this conflict and they had to be prepared for retaliation anyway.

Sad to say but in this kind of situation, placing priority for your own citizens takes precedence over the hostile nation's citizens. The GAA acted poorly and their people suffered for it. This was all par for the course.

[Netto Azure]

Originally Posted by Calca

Tatsuya CAN do E=MC^2 and turn it into pure annihilation energy. Why have an army again?

Can't have one guy have all that power as a walking nuke. XD

Ironically the magicians forced the Nuclear world powers to seal their nuclear arsenal, yet here we have a magician that can create nuclear fission reactions with any element.

Anyways as for the discussion on whether the preemptive strike was right or not, is an interesting one to think about. The GAA was the one who started the war and I can't remember whether it was mentioned, but they were deploying their own strategic-level magician in that fleet that was going to invade Japan. Which looking at their initial push a few years back would have been in civilian areas.

Considering that the attack only affected a military naval base with nary a civilian death...is quite the achievement considering our current "asymmetric" push-button warfare in the Middle East. Then again, this war in Mahouka is a more traditional realist Great Powers war than a non-state actor one.

[Forbin]

One thing they got wrong is the 101 can't fly and use magic at the same time. Tats demoed that when he destroyed the recon planes

[Random Wanderer]

It's worth noting, folks, that the had already launched their military attack into the middle of a heavily-populated civilian urban area. Nor is this the first time they have done so, according to the novels. The Japanese could have sat around and waited politely for that invasion fleet to show up at their shores, along with the GAA's strategic-level magician (strategic-level is anyone who can do things on the sort of scale like Tatsuya just did), and start killing their populations, but why should they? The invasion was already underway. The GAA had committed an act of war just hours before. There is no space to complain just because that war ended up absolutely annihilating the fleet they'd assigned to it without causing any Japanese casualties.

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

Can't have one guy have all that power as a walking nuke. XD

Ironically the magicians forced the Nuclear world powers to seal their nuclear arsenal, yet here we have a magician that can create nuclear fission reactions with any element.

It's direct matter-energy conversion. Not the same as fission. A lot more energy gets released this way.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

It's direct matter-energy conversion. Not the same as fission. A lot more energy gets released this way.

This, so much. I would have given you reputation if the old system was in place for this comment alone.

That was not a nuke. The closest analogy would be a hypothetical anti matter bomb.

[Netto Azure]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

It's direct matter-energy conversion. Not the same as fission. A lot more energy gets released this way.

Ah true. But it's a lot more conceptually easier to understand in that fashion.

Still I'm not here to argue about the science of the magic in Mahouka. I know that the author went through great lengths to make it internally consistent to the point that my eyes glazed through the engineering descriptions in the LN.

It's more interesting to talk about the implications this has in the Great Powers race. How is America going to react to this? etc.

TBH that ending epilogue by Miyuki was a lot more enticing to me than the flashy action and whatnot.

[Marcus H.]

a hypothetical anti matter bomb.

Antimatter catalysed weapons could be more discriminate and result in less long-term contamination than conventional nuclear weapons, and their use might therefore be more politically acceptable.

This is freaking stupid. So apparently, it's fine to kill more people unless there's no lingering effects? Don't they think that killing a lot of people with a conceptual antimatter bomb already has a lingering effect that is taking out a large population of people in a single weapon?

[Wigwams]

the target was a naval base.

GAA and japan were in fact at war (or unofficial cease fire pretty much like north and south korea presently) since years ago.

your enemy shows up and attacks your home soil.

they are forming an entire fleet to attack again.

your forces are not ready. do we use a WMD? yes you definitely do. no sympathy to the enemy forces. if you intend to kill, then be ready to get killed too.


obviously there will be consequences. having a weapon or magician capable of something like that would certainly ring alarm bells of other nations around the world.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

Realistically, Japan is restricted to just defending their country according to their constitution. However, Japan initiating an attack outside of their waters, whether if it's direct or indirect, is a violation of international laws.

But given that Mahouka has right-wing aspects of it, it's no big deal as the JSDF can attack forces outside Japan in the name of national security.

I'm no fan of Japanese militarism or the right wing, but let me point out a few things. Realistically, any constitution can be changed. Another thing is that Japan never signed any agreement not to change their constitution.In addition, the current constitution prohibited offensive wars--this means they cannot declare war on anyone or attack anyone without being done so by an enemy. Since the GAA attacked Japan,the Japanese are free to do anything they want.

[Kakurin]

Nice job by the author. He can freely unleash WMD fantasies against that big Asian mainland blob while avoiding morale issues because he engineers it as a self-defense action, without even the need to explain it other than "they are an evil invader".

No wonder do some Koreans and Chinese who take fiction too seriously condemn Mahouka for being right-wing nationalistic.

Originally Posted by Moe Connection

In addition, the current constitution prohibited offensive wars--this means they cannot declare war on anyone or attack anyone without being done so by an enemy. Since the GAA attacked Japan,the Japanese are free to do anything they want.

That's not really the wording of article 9, although the existence of the JSDF alone kind of indirectly violates the strict wording:

ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

And by the way, although we are drifting away from the topic, I don't think there is a sure-fire majority among the population for a change of article 9.

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by Moe Connection

Since the GAA attacked Japan,the Japanese are free to do anything they want.

But realistically, Japan should asked USA for assistance regarding military action. However, that's not the case when USNA are being hostile towards Japan in Mahouka.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

But realistically, Japan should asked USA for assistance regarding military action. However, that's not the case when USNA are being hostile towards Japan in Mahouka.

Hey, why the need for help when you have Tatsuya.

[Marcus H.]

Wigwams, I was thinking of any possible method of doing things like a mission similar to Operation Jaywick or waiting until the fleet has gone far offshore. A Jaywick-like scenario would risk blow Tatsuya's cover by plunging him into the heart of GAA's navy, and the shockwave caused by a Material Burst in the middle of the sea is going to create tsunamis that will hit the western seaboard of Japan, not to mention that it will also make Japan a prime suspect for the "attack" since it did happen on Japanese waters and they have the reasons to do that.

I think that the circumstances are too skewed to NOT rely on Tatsuya, and that's fucking frustrating.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Nice job by the author. He can freely unleash WMD fantasies against that big Asian mainland blob while avoiding morale issues because he engineers it as a self-defense action, without even the need to explain it other than "they are an evil invader".

No wonder do some Koreans and Chinese who take fiction too seriously condemn Mahouka for being right-wing nationalistic.


That's not really the wording of article 9, although the existence of the JSDF alone kind of indirectly violates the strict wording:



And by the way, although we are drifting away from the topic, I don't think there is a sure-fire majority among the population for a change of article 9.

Not really the precise wording but it's the current interpretation of the constitution upheld by the supreme court(there's no doubt the judges are clearly biased towards rearming Japan though).

The point is that the constitution is a domestic law,not an international agreement.It's an entirely different matter if Japan signed an internationally recognised agreement with other countries not to fight wars or maintain armed forces. Even then, we have no idea what happened in the Mahouka Universe. Keep in mind that Mahouka takes places in 2090s,nearly a century from now.The consitution can clearly be changed. In fact, that's what they are already doing right now. The Japanese are free to change it whenever they want and the JSDF is legal because the supreme court ruled that it doesn't contradict article 9 even though it is clearly against what's written in the constitution.

At any rate, I do agree that Mahouka is right wing propaganda.

[arkxkra]

able to see the MB from Tatsuya, not bad.

and the ending hint possible second season or OVA.