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Sansker · 2013-03-16, 16:41

If is for killing characters we have plenty of not that important and yet still around guys from StrikerS. The Numbers and the Forwards.

Keroko · 2013-03-16, 16:50

Not enough screentime in Force for their deaths to have any impact.

Could be that some Hucks who switch side will kick the bucket. I can see Cypha dying in some final act of redemption, sharing a few final warrior words with Signum.

...The image alone is already terrible. But cliche enough that I can see it happen.

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-16, 17:15

Or she tries to attack Signum after being spared and is killed.

...not that I've thought about this or anything.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-16, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Or she tries to attack Signum after being spared and is killed.

...not that I've thought about this or anything.

LOL they'll pull a "Frieza's death" with Cypha and Signum xD?

Tha only works well after a curb-stomp battle, though so i can't see that happening too easily xDU

Sansker · 2013-03-16, 20:06

Well to be fair the series has already cases of deaths having little to no visible impact. Zest and Due come to mind.

XenahortCharybdis · 2013-03-16, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Well to be fair the series has already cases of deaths having little to no visible impact. Zest and Due come to mind.

Maybe that's because those deaths were inflicted by characters who would are likely to go "see this death? NO CARE."

Now if you made one of the Strikers kill someone in cold blood with their blood and viscera splattering all over the wall like a rain of crimson...ah now THAT's something I wanna see.

Or maybe not lest the butchering of the scene give me an aneurysm.

Sansker · 2013-03-16, 20:41

We kind of had that already with the way Cinque and the others took Ginga down and put her in a box.

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-16, 21:13

If you had made Zest's last moments really bloody it would have arguably ruined the scene, so...

And we've already seen what Force does without such restraint, and it's less than ideal.

Sansker · 2013-03-16, 21:20

Not that Zest's scene was all that well done. I mean, I feel sorry for the poor guy when Signum told him they already fix everything and he just waste his time.

I think see him cut in to pieces will only make him serve some purpose, even if is just gore service.

Kurohane · 2013-03-16, 22:24

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Now that Tsuzuki declared there will be casualties on both sides before the end of the season i fear they want to pull off a "Came Back for the Death" on Yuuno xDU

From what source? I read this discussion on here before, but didn't think to much because there was no source to prove it. The same with the "the Hucks are Tsuzuki's favorites."

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-16, 22:30

I'd be surprised it there was even a source for that second one, really.

00-Raiser · 2013-03-16, 23:15

The "Hucks are Tsuzuki's favourites" thing is merely conjecture based on their portrayal in the manga.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-16, 23:56

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

The "Hucks are Tsuzuki's favourites" thing is merely conjecture based on their portrayal in the manga.

Considering they called themselves "the shady lead characters of FORCE" in the celebration comic for the 2nd movie i think that one is pretty much a given xDU

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-17, 00:14

Or that was a joke, meant to derive humor by how full of themselves most of them are.

You're the guy who most often cites that 'why don't people like the Hucks' snippet, actually.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 00:19

Well, they're in fact getting lead character treatement (even more than the so-called main character xDU).

Hypocritical humour much o_o?

Sunder the Gold · 2013-03-17, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Sansker

We kind of had that already with the way Cinque and the others took Ginga down and put her in a box.

Oh man, the rage.

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 04:46

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Well, they're in fact getting lead character treatement (even more than the so-called main character xDU).

Just like the Wolkenritter. Or Fate. Spending large amounts of time on antagonists is nothing new to Nanoha. Heck, not doing so was one of StrikerS main flaws.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 05:03

While i more or less agree on the Wolkenritter also hijacking the plot (i complained about them as well when i first watched A's but since they were so damn cool and likable i forgot that pretty quickly, obviously not the case with the Hucks but that's just me i guess xDU), i think people exaggerates a bit about Fate.

Yeah, while it's true she occuppied a good deal of the first Season (and even a good chunk of A's as well) during the original series we were also getting introduced to Nanoha Takamachi and her world, we had sub-plots involving her relatives and friends, we had shades of her inner corncer, we ahd her learning and getting introduced into the world of magic and also we had her finding motivation in rescuing Fate. I agree on Fate's struggle being one of the main highlights of the season but Nanoha was a proper and very proactive main character despite not being as appealing with the audience as her rival.

It was The MOVIE 1st where Fate finally hijacked the plot almost entirely xDU

I think i should check supplemental material for A's first but as much as the Wolks took over the plot back then it wasn't as sudden or blatant as with the Hucks. The manga and every related piece of supplemental material goes out of it's way to portray them as the coolest thing since packaged bread (okay, maybe i'm streching it a bit but watch the NEXT images dedicated to members of the Huckebein family ...and i mean the translated ones xDU).

To make a point, even when the Wolks were portrayed sympathetically and an important reason behind their actions was explained it was never doubted they were in the wrong and that they still need to be stopped/helped by our heroines. The Huckebein on the other hand look like outright Villain Protagonists, their actions so far goes unpunished and unquestioned by the narrations ...even the heroes struggles to stop them are more or less put in doubt about being the right thing to do (Tohma is the main character of the season and he's a-ok about hanging around with those guys and we even got to see Cypha in an almost "heroic" light on Ch. 23 despite being the same murderous pscho i love to hate when she tried to off Quinn right on the spot xDU).

Maybe Tsuzuki is trying to end this with a twist "Shakugan no Shana F" style xD? I can almost foresee the heroes having an epiphany and realizing the Hucks were in the right all the time and then they'll spend the last chapters of the season aiding them in their dark quest while claiming how noble and awesome they are xDU

Sansker · 2013-03-17, 11:33

Well I think the Hucks being so much focus actually is a flaw of the series. As well as not focusing so much in the Numbers was actually a good thing in StrikerS. And I say this because, after seeing both groups, I must say that they are not as good when I compare them to Fate and the Wolkenritter.

With the last two we spend time to see their motives and feelings, seeing why they care about what is going on and kind of wanting them to succeed but knowing they were still antagonist as Akiyoshi says. However the Hückebein family? All I see them is acting like clowns who doesn’t seem to care about what is going on, really have weird motivations and, so far, no clear goal. I just don’t get them at all as I did with the others despite we keep seeing them over and over. So really is comes down to the fact that we first saw then as violent murders and know we are suppose to like them? Because I really don’t think that is working.

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 11:49

Except the numbers were in the same corner as the Wolkenritter for the most part, but we never really delved into that because they didn't get enough screentime. This led to a lack of empathy for them in the season overall. It wasn't until SSX and Vivid rolled around that most people started to warm up to the numbers. Why? Because those actually helped develop them.

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	If is for killing characters we have plenty of not that important and yet still around guys from StrikerS. The Numbers and the Forwards. __________________

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well to be fair the series has already cases of deaths having little to no visible impact. Zest and Due come to mind. __________________

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	We kind of had that already with the way Cinque and the others took Ginga down and put her in a box. __________________

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Not that Zest's scene was all that well done. I mean, I feel sorry for the poor guy when Signum told him they already fix everything and he just waste his time. I think see him cut in to pieces will only make him serve some purpose, even if is just gore service. __________________

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00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	The "Hucks are Tsuzuki's favourites" thing is merely conjecture based on their portrayal in the manga. __________________

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Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Not enough screentime in Force for their deaths to have any impact. Could be that some Hucks who switch side will kick the bucket. I can see Cypha dying in some final act of redemption, sharing a few final warrior words with Signum. ...The image alone is already terrible. But cliche enough that I can see it happen.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Or she tries to attack Signum after being spared and is killed. ...not that I've thought about this or anything.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	If you had made Zest's last moments really bloody it would have arguably ruined the scene, so... And we've already seen what Force does without such restraint, and it's less than ideal.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I'd be surprised it there was even a source for that second one, really.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Or that was a joke, meant to derive humor by how full of themselves most of them are. You're the guy who most often cites that 'why don't people like the Hucks' snippet, actually.

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Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Well, they're in fact getting lead character treatement (even more than the so-called main character xDU). Hypocritical humour much o_o? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-17, 05:03	Link #7718
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	While i more or less agree on the Wolkenritter also hijacking the plot (i complained about them as well when i first watched A's but since they were so damn cool and likable i forgot that pretty quickly, obviously not the case with the Hucks but that's just me i guess xDU), i think people exaggerates a bit about Fate. Yeah, while it's true she occuppied a good deal of the first Season (and even a good chunk of A's as well) during the original series we were also getting introduced to Nanoha Takamachi and her world, we had sub-plots involving her relatives and friends, we had shades of her inner corncer, we ahd her learning and getting introduced into the world of magic and also we had her finding motivation in rescuing Fate. I agree on Fate's struggle being one of the main highlights of the season but Nanoha was a proper and very proactive main character despite not being as appealing with the audience as her rival. It was The MOVIE 1st where Fate finally hijacked the plot almost entirely xDU I think i should check supplemental material for A's first but as much as the Wolks took over the plot back then it wasn't as sudden or blatant as with the Hucks. The manga and every related piece of supplemental material goes out of it's way to portray them as the coolest thing since packaged bread (okay, maybe i'm streching it a bit but watch the NEXT images dedicated to members of the Huckebein family ...and i mean the translated ones xDU). To make a point, even when the Wolks were portrayed sympathetically and an important reason behind their actions was explained it was never doubted they were in the wrong and that they still need to be stopped/helped by our heroines. The Huckebein on the other hand look like outright Villain Protagonists, their actions so far goes unpunished and unquestioned by the narrations ...even the heroes struggles to stop them are more or less put in doubt about being the right thing to do (Tohma is the main character of the season and he's a-ok about hanging around with those guys and we even got to see Cypha in an almost "heroic" light on Ch. 23 despite being the same murderous pscho i love to hate when she tried to off Quinn right on the spot xDU). Maybe Tsuzuki is trying to end this with a twist "Shakugan no Shana F" style xD? I can almost foresee the heroes having an epiphany and realizing the Hucks were in the right all the time and then they'll spend the last chapters of the season aiding them in their dark quest while claiming how noble and awesome they are xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-17, 11:33	Link #7719
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well I think the Hucks being so much focus actually is a flaw of the series. As well as not focusing so much in the Numbers was actually a good thing in StrikerS. And I say this because, after seeing both groups, I must say that they are not as good when I compare them to Fate and the Wolkenritter. With the last two we spend time to see their motives and feelings, seeing why they care about what is going on and kind of wanting them to succeed but knowing they were still antagonist as Akiyoshi says. However the Hückebein family? All I see them is acting like clowns who doesn’t seem to care about what is going on, really have weird motivations and, so far, no clear goal. I just don’t get them at all as I did with the others despite we keep seeing them over and over. So really is comes down to the fact that we first saw then as violent murders and know we are suppose to like them? Because I really don’t think that is working. __________________

2013-03-17, 11:49	Link #7720
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Except the numbers were in the same corner as the Wolkenritter for the most part, but we never really delved into that because they didn't get enough screentime. This led to a lack of empathy for them in the season overall. It wasn't until SSX and Vivid rolled around that most people started to warm up to the numbers. Why? Because those actually helped develop them.