Fate/ Series Q&A

[Spamamdorf]

I think the blues eyes white dragon ones at least have some basis

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Kisara and Blue Eyes White Dragon are quite different though . One is a girl, one is her "guardian spirit" or some sort. You may love the girl but you DON'T flirt or make out with her "guardian spirit" .

[Spamamdorf]

I'm talking about all the Blue eyes white dragon themed stuff he had lying around just randomly even before he met the chick, but then even just the chick is more than enough for shippers and fan art drawers to go for it

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

For those, I guess we’re back on the Waver & Rider fanart case. There’s bromance or closeness in it, but not romance in the slightest. Still, even with that totally unrelated matter, the fanart artists found a reason to draw pics of them flirting. That’s what I call “no basis”. The same thing happen to Kaiba & BEWD even counting Kisara. Sure, Kaiba love BEWD, but NOT in a romantic way like many fanarts suggested.

If you said those fanarts have “enough basis” then we simply have different view of it.

PS: If you want to continue this, you can PM me. We're being off-topic here.

[Urzu 7]

Makes sense. I've seen plenty of Inazuma Eleven fan art where characters are gay for each other (I mean, this is like G and PG art), and there is only bromance in Inazuma Eleven.

[Edict]

Thess: I think you once said Gilgamesh's interest in Saber partly originated from a comparison with Enkidu. If that recollection is correct would there be any explicit descriptions of that realisation from the novels or other source material ? Though I should add I'm not saying there would have to be for such an observation to be reasonable. Usually there is some basis for inference and I've already previously taken a few of your observations to be an insightful awareness of character.

[Touko]

Spoiler:

“What would happen at the end?... Rider, I still haven’t decided if you’re the only one who’s worthy for me to grant the ultimate treasure to.”
Archer, who was muttering to himself, had another Heroic Spirits in his heart. In terms of the degree of attention he had, the interest of the King of Heroes was actually all piled upon her.
Tonight, witnessing with his own eyes that incomparable light lead the thoughts of the primeval Heroic Spirit back to the distant past.

– Once upon a time, there was a man.
He was a foolish and ridiculous fellow whom, despite having a body made of mud and soil, set his heart to stand shoulder to shoulder with gods.
Of course, his hubris and disrespectful arrogance offended the gods in heaven. The man suffered divine retribution and lost his life.
Even to this day, the King of Heroes still couldn’t forget the way that he passed away with tears streaming down his face.
Why are you crying? The King of Heroes had asked. Could it be that, only now, you are regretting having taken my side?
It’s not that –
He had answered.
“Who would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side? My friend… when I think that you will live on all alone henceforth, I can’t help but shed tears…”
Like so, when he saw that man taking his last breath, the incomparable king realized – the way that this man, who was human but wanted to surpass humanity, had lived, was even more precious and more brilliant than all the treasures he had collected.
“You fool who stretch your hand towards realms not of men… There is only one person in heaven or earth who’s worthy of appreciating your destruction, and that is none other than I, Gilgamesh.
Sink into my embrace, oh you glorious and illusionary men. That is my decision.”
The golden majestic brilliance disappeared in the night mist, leaving only an evil laughter echoing long after.

[Edict]

thanks for the quote. I'm left to wonder what the reasons would be for the elision of these scenes. Among other uses these depictions would add lucid dimension to Gilgamesh's motivations and unify examples of his vision as found in the anime.

[Vicious108]

The reason given in the booklet thing that came with the BDs was that they wanted to focus on Saber in that scene and felt that transitioning to Gil's flashback would divert the attention away from her.

Your mileage may vary as to whether it is an actual good reason, but yeah.

[Edict]

there would be some contrast but mostly as a result of simply interpolating the scene without adjustment to the episode's structure. However the reason given does overlook the importance of Gilgamesh's interest (where in the scheme of things he does have a rarefied perspective), if the composition was changed to include said scene and with appropriate adjustments for concordance then the relevance conveyed (for Saber that is) would be improved overall. It is actually an ironic consequence how this supposed concern detracts from potential emphasis.


also, I noticed beforehand there is some indication of a hero's nature or aspirations from the 'glow' their Noble Phantasm emanates. I don't expect there is too much detail on this aspect of the fantasy lore but would like to know if there are any specific discussions or elaborations to be found from any of the source material. Gilgamesh's disapproval of Caster's final spell (although that may not be a Noble Phantasm per se) is quite interesting since it emerges from confusion more than genuine intent.. Furthermore the interplay concludes with Excalibur's illumination restoring Caster's clarity. An interesting conclusion to Caster's embodiment of anguish and confusion (to, as I understood, the problem of evil). I think there was also a related occurrence in Fate Night with Excalibur piercing the veil of another hero.

[VTHokiePride]

Just wondering, does anyone feel that the anime should have had the same ending as the Realta Nua ending or am I the only one?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by VTHokiePride

Just wondering, does anyone feel that the anime should have had the same ending as the Realta Nua ending or am I the only one?

I think you better ask this question in Fate/Stay Night anime thread since you're pretty much asking for others' opinions while the purpose of this thread is: to ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime or game (see page 1).

[bhl88]

One question: For example, Lancer (Fate/Stay Night) was summoned in the 1st Holy Grail War. Then someone broke his Gay Bulge with Raw Ass Gae Bolg by snapping it in half.
In the next Holy Grail War, will he get his weapon back?

[GDB]

Yes. With the exception of Saber (FSN/FZ) (and possibly Archer (FSN)), the Servants summoned are merely copies that don't even remember any prior summonings.

[Spamamdorf]

No they still remember them if I remember correctly, don't they just not know in what order they happened? I think Archer said it was like reading a book on what you've done in the other grail wars or something

[GDB]

No, they don't remember. It was a big deal in the Fate route that Saber remembered anything about the prior war at all. Archer's "reading a book" thing was in regards to being a Counter Guardian, I believe.

[Spamamdorf]

I'll have to re read that part it seems then because for one reason or another I seem to be under that impression so I should go sort what's what (isn't his counter guardian thing only the fact that he's summoned by Gaia whenever he's needed to kill something that threatens the world with the other guardians? I thought he was otherwise a normal servant)

[GDB]

He is a normal Servant otherwise, but I meant the book thing had to do with Counter Guardian events (which aren't always group related, as he's spoken of just taking out normal people en masse before).

[bhl88]

Not their memories. I meant their Noble Phantasms that break (Rider's Gorgon wheel was blasted by Excalibur, Diarmuid broke his own Noble Phantasm, Gilgamesh threw 4 Noble Phantasms away).

Do they get it back the next time they are summoned back to the next War?

[DanielMors]

No, technically they don't get them back, since they will never be summoned again. If one of those Heroic Spirits was summoned again in another war, the servant would be a new copy, one that never broke the Noble Phantasm to begin with. So that servant would have all Noble Phantasms.