Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 49 Discussion / Poll

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by Key Board

In TTGL that plot twist happened early, not at the end
and said protagonist had to grow and sit into his new role
here, it seems that Mika was the real power behind throne all along

You're not really that off in that conclusion. Mika and Orga were always partners in their codependence. Mika practically made the decisions as much as Orga did. He just did in a silent partner sort of way. Orga says in the very beginning that no matter what his own plan was, if Mika wasn't on board, then the entire plan is scrapped. However, because the two knew each other so well, he also knew when and for what Mika would be on board with and when he wouldn't be.

So, in a way, Mika and Orga sort of led Tekkadan together, even if it was moreso that one was the "king" as the other was his "sword". Now the king is dead, but the sword still knows what it's wielder would have wanted done.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Key Board

In TTGL that plot twist happened early, not at the end
and said protagonist had to grow and sit into his new role
here, it seems that Mika was the real power behind throne all along

I've been thinking about that for some time. At a glance, it seemed like Orga was doing this for his comrades, and I certainly don't doubt his intentions when he wanted a peaceful life for everyone, but in the back of my head, I always thought that the very foundation and direction Orga stood on was everything Mika encouraged or stood for; that he was actually just the embodiment of what Mika wanted.

[Twi]

Review here, but....Goddamn it. I hate to say it, but at this point the series is going down for me. I mean, I can see the members of Tekkadan who have fled surviving, but the body count for the good guys is climbing while Gjallarhorn is actually winning.

Julieta basically acknowledges that she’s working for an asshole, but decides to keep doing so. Gaelio has been turned into a revenge-driven idiot who just wants to keep the status quo. Iok has no right to still live. And Rustal is the most corrupt son of a bitch to ever be in this show and he’s getting away with it.

I was actually rooting for McGillis just because it meant there was a chance for him to succeed and get these bastards. But look how that turned out: killed by a guy demanding that he look at him. Gaelio would have been better off dead at the end of Season 1.

[tdx]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

It sure is easy to just label anybody who is on the opposing side of your opinion as "in denial" instead of engaging in proper argument.

I've engaged in "proper argument" with you. It came down to you ignoring a good portion of my explanations and saying you'd addressed all points. Well, I've addressed all your concerns one way or another in my previous posts, too, and I see no point to keep repeating the same things over and over again.

Am I the only one pointing out a huge drop in quality of this show and the sheer ridiculousness of what's going on anymore? Hell no, go look at ppl raging and ratings and sales dropping to hell, and that alone says all there is to say.

Tl;dr: the list of major characters that got assassinated, previously consisting of McGillis, Kudelia and Orga, got a new name added, that of the main character, Mikazuki Augus, lol. F*ck this crap, it isn't worth even discussing anymore.

[Shawdawg]

I think things might work out in the end for Tekkadan. Yeah, I can see people dying in the finale, maybe a few major characters. But I do see Gali after getting his revenge on Macky, seeing the wrongs and corruption of Rustal (Danslief's, the "special" units, not actually giving Tekkadan time to surrender, assassinations by other characters) and killing him, and then ordering the Gjallarhorn units on the surface to stop fighting and let Tekkadan go. Maybe he even publicly "thanks" Nobliss for what happened to Orga, just so he knows what will be coming.

Or it could be an epic bloodbath and everyone dies...who knows?

[xeviouses]

RIP Rush, he wasn't a fave character of mine, but still went out like a pilot pro.

Macky vs Gali, Gali wins sure, but man that one-man assault by Chocoman was awesome.

So this is the end game? Mika being the one to rally (and maybe lead)Tekkadan in Orga's place.

[Twi]

Yeah, right. Mika has so many death flags its a miracle he wasn't the one to die last episode.

Even if Gaelio does assassinate Rustal... it's hollow. The body-count is too high at this point. We've lost Orga, we're losing Mika because of all the death flags, and it really will feel like a rush job. There is no good ending. The best they get is a few survivors.

[Alf]

Actually I feel like the death of Orga and Hush have made Mika unable to die. Look at that scene when Hush told him about Orga's death, there was that big Tekkadan sign behind him reflecting the one on his own back. And Hush's death is also looking at Mikas back. Plus, Hush is more or less Mika's apprentice, so his death would most likely mean Mika have no choice but live on, unless they are completely crushed.

[NBG]

What a great episode

[Stark700]

I died a little inside when McGillis died. I mean, it would of came eventually at some point.

Mika's speech was one of the best ones I've seen in this yet. Short yet simple and well delivered. Speaking of which, I really do hope he survives in this show to the end as I don't want to see him perish.

[Tenzen12]

To be honest I am seriously disappointed that Mackey isn't responsible for Orga death. That wayvhe would have at least some achievement, even if negative. This way he ended like ineffectual fool. Wrong from beginning, unable grasp anything. It's pretty depressing if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

Dammit Nobliss Gordon, he ordered his men to kill Orga Itsuka. And honestly though, that old bastard is gonna benefit for this conflict in the end!

Hey! You are wronging Nobliss, he is completely innocent. His men did it on they own accord! Well, he would give that order if he had chance though.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by tdx

I've engaged in "proper argument" with you. It came down to you ignoring a good portion of my explanations and saying you'd addressed all points. Well, I've addressed all your concerns one way or another in my previous posts, too, and I see no point to keep repeating the same things over and over again.

I did feel that I've answered all your replies to me. If not, I even asked you about what I've missed.

Originally Posted by tdx

Am I the only one pointing out a huge drop in quality of this show and the sheer ridiculousness of what's going on anymore? Hell no, go look at ppl raging and ratings and sales dropping to hell, and that alone says all there is to say.

Of course you're not alone. It's an easy defense. If you dislike something, chances are 99.99% you're not alone. As for rating, wasn't IBO always have low ratings even during S1? There's nothing new there. As for sales, What sales? Model kits? I'd sure like to see those numbers, just for reference.

Originally Posted by tdx

Tl;dr: the list of major characters that got assassinated, previously consisting of McGillis, Kudelia and Orga, got a new name added, that of the main character, Mikazuki Augus, lol. F*ck this crap, it isn't worth even discussing anymore.

So....Mika's character got assassinated for doing something that is consistent with his personality and right in terms of protecting the fleeing Tekkadan members? That must be a new standard in character assassination. A standard that is too good to be true .

[DragoonKain3]

Man, I wanted Macky to live, if only to get back to Almiria. Mika already had his time with Atra. So I don't really care much if he lives through this, but Macky still had things to do. Maybe it's time he pulls a Gaelio?

I actually really liked Bael. It's a Mobile Suit for sure with the AV system (which means normal suits can't really touch him), but considering it hasn't been touched since forever, it can fight back against other suits with the AV system. Looked to me Gali was always the one on the offensive, and Bael being outdated, him losing to Gali makes a lot of sense.

Side characters are great. There's the obvious Hush death, but Gordon not wanting to harm Kudelia is the surprising one. Thought he is all about profits and losses, and with Kudelia siding with Tekkadan, he would totally cut her off. Seems he has a soft spot for her, and that's nice to see another side of him.

Next up, 300: Gundam edition?

Originally Posted by K30nu

So then rustal will die in mika's hand ...

How? Mika is down on Mars fighting a losing a battle, and he'll most probably die fighting Julietta.

If anything, Rustal will be killed by Julieta since he is one of the 'shady adults'. That or Gaelio, now that his revenge is done, realizes that part of what Macky said is true and decides to carry on the ideals that made sense. He started working with McGillis to change Gjallahorn in the first place, but being stabbed in the back put a (temporary?) hold in that. Now that is done, time to carry on?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Gordon not wanting to harm Kudelia is the surprising one. Thought he is all about profits and losses, and with Kudelia siding with Tekkadan, he would totally cut her off. Seems he has a soft spot for her, and that's nice to see another side of him.

I think he just doesn't want to hurt a potential future business partner after the conflict is over and the dust settled . After all, Nobliss is a man who thinks ahead when it comes to business, profit & money.

[kk2extreme]

Are we sure that Macky is dead?

[DMurphy]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Man, I wanted Macky to live, if only to get back to Almiria. Mika already had his time with Atra. So I don't really care much if he lives through this, but Macky still had things to do.

I hope you don't mean what I think you mean, since Almiria is ten years old.

[thefreakmike]

Rather than getting killed, I could see Rustal and his accomplices (sans Gaelio) arrested by the end of all of this. Nobliss as well.

[konart]

Originally Posted by DMurphy

I hope you don't mean what I think you mean, since Almiria is ten years old.

Had he lived, he should have had some years of waiting, but the point stays.

[CristianR]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Mika's speech was one of the best ones I've seen in this yet. Short yet simple and well delivered. Speaking of which, I really do hope he survives in this show to the end as I don't want to see him perish.

Exact!. Mika's speech was motivating and worthy of someone as simple as him.

Orga's death was necessary for this battle, otherwise they would be running like rats.

Mika must live, and I'm sure she will.

[mickbis]

At this point I really feel sorry to the Tekkadan members
all they want was a place for themselves
but all they got is a one way ticket to heaven