Character Discussion - Lelouch

[bladeofdarkness]

putting aside the question of whether or not kallen or sayoko are right for the role
why would they WANT to take it

[HollowScar]

Originally Posted by Android_17

Dude I couldn't disagree more Yagami Light may have been a prick but come on dude he had a lot of pressure on him 64 camera's and bugs installed in his room? his own father trying to catch him, the thought of killing his own sister a dumb blonde who practically spoiled almost every thing about the death note and so on not to forget that the worlds smartest detective was after him also the world which light created in those 6 years benefited most of the world until near caught him

Light would have killed his sister, if he had to. He was killing people that was on his way. He could have just stopped, but he lost his sanity. To him, he wanted the world to bow to him. He never learned from anybody, as he probably thought everyone was inferior. The people that he could have loved, he wiped them off. He may have been under pressure, but he was smart enough to get out of it. Even after, he just chose to bring justice, but he became a criminal himself. Crime did go down, but what else did he do? Did he stop poverty? He could have, but who knows. In the end, he had no one to succeed him, as he never gave anybody that chance. Lelouch did.

[HollowScar]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

putting aside the question of whether or not kallen or sayoko are right for the role
why would they WANT to take it

Kallen has been with the organization longer than Lelouch. Why wouldn't she take it. It practically is her second life.

[bladeofdarkness]

because she has an ACTUAL life
a normal life she spent the entire show trying to achieve
her life as a normal person with her mom
the life lelouch WANTED her to have, which is why he pushed her away
why would she give it up in order to bear the weight of the world on her shoulders for all her life

besides
kallen might be more morally suited for the role of "hero of justice" then suzaku is
but she is no more suited for it then he is in practical terms
zero is a strategist, politician, leader, and a bunch of other things
both suzaku and kallen are glorified pilots
neither is skilled enough for the role

[Android_17]

Originally Posted by HollowScar

Light would have killed his sister, if he had to. He was killing people that was on his way. He could have just stopped, but he lost his sanity. To him, he wanted the world to bow to him. He never learned from anybody, as he probably thought everyone was inferior. The people that he could have loved, he wiped them off. He may have been under pressure, but he was smart enough to get out of it. Even after, he just chose to bring justice, but he became a criminal himself. Crime did go down, but what else did he do? Did he stop poverty? He could have, but who knows. In the end, he had no one to succeed him, as he never gave anybody that chance. Lelouch did.

and that's why Lelouch is less of a prick than Light? Light considered killing his Sister but he didn't unlike Lelouch who Killed Clovis and Euphemia his own brother and sister turned schneizel his older brother in a slave of zero killed his own mother while claiming the entire series to avenge her death which he eventually self caused, killed his own father with it, plus the father of shirley for the sake to destroy britannia so he can rebuild it again by throwing the worlds hatred on himself? come on he was the freakin emperor and conquered the world yet he didn't stop anything else than the war that was on and turned everything worse while Light actually managed to decrease the amount of criminals and ceased wars with the death note.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by HollowScar

Light would have killed his sister, if he had to. He was killing people that was on his way. He could have just stopped, but he lost his sanity. To him, he wanted the world to bow to him. He never learned from anybody, as he probably thought everyone was inferior. The people that he could have loved, he wiped them off. He may have been under pressure, but he was smart enough to get out of it. Even after, he just chose to bring justice, but he became a criminal himself. Crime did go down, but what else did he do? Did he stop poverty? He could have, but who knows. In the end, he had no one to succeed him, as he never gave anybody that chance. Lelouch did.

Here's my thing

We are supposed to see Light as the villain, his a Knight Templar who sees the world in black and white with criminals being black and Light being white. Light would kill anyone he sees as black, and we are supposed to root against him. By the end of the series the truth behind Light is revealed and his given a miserable end.

On the other hand we are supposed to see Lelouch as the hero, a man who is willing to kill anyone to achieve his dream, and we are supposed to root for that. By the end of the series their basically comparing the man to Jesus. That I find incredibly disturbing.

[morbosfist]

Light didn't kill his sister because she was innocent. Clovis was a mass-murderer, Euphie was a mercy killing, Schenizel was going to nuke the entire fucking world, Charles and Marianne were crazy for Instrumentality, and Shirley's father is not directly his fault (how was he supposed to predict him being there).

Light ruled through fear, and the world got worse very quickly once that fear was gone.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Light didn't kill his sister because she was innocent. Clovis was a mass-murderer, Euphie was a mercy killing, Schenizel was going to nuke the entire fucking world, Charles and Marianne were crazy for Instrumentality, and Shirley's father is not directly his fault (how was he supposed to predict him being there).

Light ruled through fear, and the world got worse very quickly once that fear was gone.

Because really who cares about killing people as long as you don't know that person.

[azul120]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Here's my thing

We are supposed to see Light as the villain, his a Knight Templar who sees the world in black and white with criminals being black and Light being white. Light would kill anyone he sees as black, and we are supposed to root against him. By the end of the series the truth behind Light is revealed and his given a miserable end.

On the other hand we are supposed to see Lelouch as the hero, a man who is willing to kill anyone to achieve his dream, and we are supposed to root for that. By the end of the series their basically comparing the man to Jesus. That I find incredibly disturbing.

You're seriously oversimplifying things. Lelouch is up against an empire comparable to Nazi Germany that screwed him over as a child to boot. Light Yagami is just an everyday, bored teenager by comparison.

[HollowScar]

Originally Posted by Android_17

and that's why Lelouch is less of a prick than Light? Light considered killing his Sister but he didn't unlike Lelouch who Killed Clovis and Euphemia his own brother and sister turned schneizel his older brother in a slave of zero killed his own mother while claiming the entire series to avenge her death which he eventually self caused, killed his own father with it, plus the father of shirley for the sake to destroy britannia so he can rebuild it again by throwing the worlds hatred on himself? come on he was the freakin emperor and conquered the world yet he didn't stop anything else than the war that was on and turned everything worse while Light actually managed to decrease the amount of criminals and ceased wars with the death note.

Spoiler for Death Note:

Well, Lelouch did respect others including Shirley. He learned from her. Look at the way Light treated Misa. Light never had much respect for anyone. He was going solo. Lelouch saved Shirley when she fell from the building. Light would have never done that to Misa, even if she was smart, just because he was too special. He used Misa, so that Rem would kill L.

[HollowScar]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

because she has an ACTUAL life
a normal life she spent the entire show trying to achieve
her life as a normal person with her mom
the life lelouch WANTED her to have, which is why he pushed her away
why would she give it up in order to bear the weight of the world on her shoulders for all her life

besides
kallen might be more morally suited for the role of "hero of justice" then suzaku is
but she is no more suited for it then he is in practical terms
zero is a strategist, politician, leader, and a bunch of other things
both suzaku and kallen are glorified pilots
neither is skilled enough for the role

An actual life? Then why in Earth did she become a part of the organization? She could have joined Britannian army. As for both of them being Zero, Zero is just a symbol. Schnizel is the strategist, and politician, who is supposed to guide Zero, and be the brain of Zero, by giving Zero advice, even though he is a slave of sorts.

[animpo]

Originally Posted by HollowScar

An actual life? Then why in Earth did she become a part of the organization? She could have joined Britannian army. As for both of them being Zero, Zero is just a symbol. Schnizel is the strategist, and politician, who is supposed to guide Zero, and be the brain of Zero, by giving Zero advice, even though he is a slave of sorts.

Schnizel can guide zero

Btw, did Lelouch really died? some people said that he gain the code and became an immortal.

[Rising Dragon]

No. He's dead and rotting.

[HollowScar]

Lelouch did die, as confirmed by the writer, I think. Even if he lived, I think he would have come back, instead of hiding somewhere.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by HollowScar

Lelouch did die, as confirmed by the writer, I think. Even if he lived, I think he would have come back, instead of hiding somewhere.

Being dead does not preclude R.R. from rising from his grave.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Being dead does not preclude R.R. from rising from his grave.

Yes it does

Being dead is the exact opposite of being immortal

[Knightrunner]

Who knows maybe one-hundred years pass and everybody is died and everybody meets at C world to enjoys lelouch's birthday and reflect on the good old days.

Somehow I hope they can go around bringing lelouch back to life. It doesn't even make any sense on how they will portray rolo since he is already dead. The can't bring two characters back to life

[Rising Dragon]

I really wish people would stop bringing up the "But Sunrise can bring him back!" excuse.

Until they do, he is dead. Get over it.

[Paladinoras]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I really wish people would stop bringing up the "But Sunrise can bring him back!" excuse.

Until they do, he is dead. Get over it.

Well, on the bright side, it means that people still care about a character from a show which ended more than a year ago.

[Knightrunner]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I really wish people would stop bringing up the "But Sunrise can bring him back!" excuse.

Until they do, he is dead. Get over it.

I agree with you here. If they screw up the last picture drama then I'll just throw it away and not count it as part of the main series.