AnimeSuki Forums

Asakura_Y0h · 2004-02-06, 21:01

Muahahahahahahahaha.............................. I wanted to be the first to start last week's episode thread and I couldn't so this time NO ONE will beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I admit I have nothing else better but to be a thread starter....... Any Hokkien speaking person would use the term "Kiasu" to represent me and I agree totally 100%..... Muahahahahahaha.... so here goes....

No need to use spoiler tags for anything from ep 18 and before but please do for anything after and also if things are on speculation basis please say so just to make sure that the ppl don't get confused at what's being discussed....

SetaNoriyasu · 2004-02-07, 00:50

/off Topic
Walauway.... seriously have no comment lar
/off Topic

degeros · 2004-02-07, 01:08

It probably is going to cover the key aspects of chapter 10 of the manga.

Spoiler:

ArKz · 2004-02-08, 01:02

yep that pretty much sums it up...doubt if their will be much more than just that

kamij0 · 2004-02-08, 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asakura_Y0h

Muahahahahahahahaha.............................. I wanted to be the first to start last week's episode thread and I couldn't so this time NO ONE will beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I admit I have nothing else better but to be a thread starter....... Any Hokkien speaking person would use the term "Kiasu" to represent me and I agree totally 100%..... Muahahahahahaha.... so here goes....

No need to use spoiler tags for anything from ep 18 and before but please do for anything after and also if things are on speculation basis please say so just to make sure that the ppl don't get confused at what's being discussed....

lol in this case, i'll go and create threads for 20 21 22 ... to 52 in advance when the previous ep to it comes... cause i'm a kiasu singaporean...

ArKz · 2004-02-08, 15:35

/kinda off topic
yeah...18 is out to dl already somehow...i am tryin to download it now but its only goin 4 kb/s :cry:

Nine Devil · 2004-02-08, 16:21

well i watched it was great fighting of Scar against lust and that shitty humaneater.Lust looks like the wife of Scar's brother o.O and wtf i don't get the end you need to kill humans to make the stone?

nak · 2004-02-08, 16:59

i think that in order to gain the stone you must exchange human life. not sure if you have to kill them exactly but either way it sounds like there has to be some form of human sacrifice or several. personally i think it has something to do with their soul?? im not really that sure

Slade · 2004-02-08, 17:48

Humm.. The term Scar called Lust and Gluttony really caught my eye... "Homunculus" which is a term I came across before in a game called "shadow of desitny". Which also had a deep theme of alchemy. Supposedly it's a human made being that live beyond time(immortal) and has the power to change destiny. Looks like the definition fits to the point that they're immortal... and they seem to be leading Edward down a certain path. Interesting stuff.

YuuOminae · 2004-02-08, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slade

Humm.. The term Scar called Lust and Gluttony really caught my eye... "Homunculus" which is a term I came across before in a game called "shadow of desitny". Which also had a deep theme of alchemy. Supposedly it's a human made being that live beyond time(immortal) and has the power to change destiny. Looks like the definition fits to the point that they're immortal... and they seem to be leading Edward down a certain path. Interesting stuff.

A homunculus is basically a person that was created through alchemy, aka what Ed and Al tried to do with their mother. It's kind of similar to a golem.

Mcdonalds · 2004-02-08, 21:05

This ep is a great ep. It moves the story on a lot and it has a great fight scene for people who love action. It also leaves a lot of questions to be answered from the next episodes which is good in my opinion.

Yebyosh · 2004-02-08, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Small One

Okay, if they were created, the question would be: By whom?

Manga Chapter 31

Asakura_Y0h · 2004-02-08, 21:32

darn it... the stupid ep is downloading at home and i can't watch it till later cause I'm at work... sigh......

this is severely out of topic and more 'kiasu' mannerism... we have successfully beated Full Metal Panic's no. of posts on the Series Discussion forum.... Hooray!!!! Next up One Piece at 1617posts.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luisa081 · 2004-02-08, 23:26

what does kiasu mean?

Kamui4356 · 2004-02-09, 00:02

Just watched the ep. It was great. The Scar vs Lust and Gluttony fight was pretty good. Still it's the characters and plot that make FMA a good series, and this episode was no different. The little detail about the philosopher's stone having humans as one of it's main components shouldn't really have been as much of a suprise because of the law of equivalent trade. It seems like it overcomes that law when it's used for alchemy because the lives of the people needed to make it represent a greater quantity than what would be needed to trade for something through standard alchemy.

Is it just me or does Scieszka remind any one else of Yumiko Readman from R.O.D.?

animefreak · 2004-02-09, 00:10

the dictionary says homunculus means "little"..

Yebyosh · 2004-02-09, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by luisa081

what does kiasu mean?

It is a Singaporean slang term that is frequently used Singaporeans (and Malaysians). It is used to describe a one-up-on-you overcompetitive spirit. Basically "if you are going to have/do this, I am going to have/do it first.", not a virtue to have as it is more motivated by greed and pride rather than fair competitive spirit.

Local slang terms should be kept to minimum in global forums.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamui4356

Is it just me or does Scieszka remind any one else of Yumiko Readman from R.O.D.?

Yep. I believe it is intentional from the mangaka as a sort of homage or respect or fun. Either that or she's the stereotypical anime/manga library girl model.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamui4356

It seems like it overcomes that law when it's used for alchemy because the lives of the people needed to make it represent a greater quantity than what would be needed to trade for something through standard alchemy.

Not sure what you are trying to say but the point of needing lives to manufacture a Philosopher's Stone is that the ability of greatly amplified alchemy is the cost of many lives (an equal trade if you consider lives as invaluable).

Lust and Gluttony will still lose to Wrath though IMO

YuuOminae · 2004-02-09, 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yebyosh

Lust and Gluttony will still lose to Wrath though IMO

Heh.

Spoiler:

Kamui4356 · 2004-02-09, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yebyosh

Not sure what you are trying to say but the point of needing lives to manufacture a Philosopher's Stone is that the ability of greatly amplified alchemy is the cost of many lives (an equal trade if you consider lives as invaluable).

Yeah, I could have been clearer on that. What I mean is the philosopher's stone seems to overcome the law of equivilent trade, but it really still abides by it. By sacrificing people when the stone is created, it has a sort of credit, which allows someone to perform alchemy without offering something to trade at the time. In a sense the philosopher's stone is like a pre-paid phone card for alchemy.

Jackl · 2004-02-09, 02:13

Man I wish I could read raw manga! I feel so behind...

Far as I can tell the translators are only on FMA 10 in the manga.

Anyway, even without reading much of the manga I think it's pretty obvious who created the homunculus.

Spoiler:

Of course, having only read so little of the manga, I could be completely wrong.

2004-02-06, 21:01	Link #1
Asakura_Y0h little black butterfly Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	Episode 18 Discussion - Possible Spoilers Muahahahahahahahaha.............................. I wanted to be the first to start last week's episode thread and I couldn't so this time NO ONE will beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I admit I have nothing else better but to be a thread starter....... Any Hokkien speaking person would use the term "Kiasu" to represent me and I agree totally 100%..... Muahahahahahaha.... so here goes.... No need to use spoiler tags for anything from ep 18 and before but please do for anything after and also if things are on speculation basis please say so just to make sure that the ppl don't get confused at what's being discussed....

2004-02-07, 00:50	Link #2
SetaNoriyasu Harbinger Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Asia-South-East-Asia Age: 37	/off Topic Walauway.... seriously have no comment lar /off Topic __________________

2004-02-07, 01:08	Link #3
degeros Sinner Join Date: Jan 2004	It probably is going to cover the key aspects of chapter 10 of the manga. Spoiler: -First branch of the library has been burnt down by Lust. -The beginning of Gluttony and Scar's fight. (Hopefully they cover further than just the beginning) -Ed and Al meet a librarian who has read Marcoh's notes and can rewrite the whole thing without any mistakes. -There is a code to break in order to dechiper Marcoh's notes. -After many days of trying, Ed and Al finally break the code, only to find that the raw materials needed for a Philosopher's Stone are living humans.

2004-02-08, 21:32	Link #13
Asakura_Y0h little black butterfly Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	darn it... the stupid ep is downloading at home and i can't watch it till later cause I'm at work... sigh...... this is severely out of topic and more 'kiasu' mannerism... we have successfully beated Full Metal Panic's no. of posts on the Series Discussion forum.... Hooray!!!! Next up One Piece at 1617posts.....!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Asakura_Y0h; 2004-02-08 at 22:48.

2004-02-09, 00:02	Link #15
Kamui4356 Aria Company Join Date: Nov 2003	Just watched the ep. It was great. The Scar vs Lust and Gluttony fight was pretty good. Still it's the characters and plot that make FMA a good series, and this episode was no different. The little detail about the philosopher's stone having humans as one of it's main components shouldn't really have been as much of a suprise because of the law of equivalent trade. It seems like it overcomes that law when it's used for alchemy because the lives of the people needed to make it represent a greater quantity than what would be needed to trade for something through standard alchemy. Is it just me or does Scieszka remind any one else of Yumiko Readman from R.O.D.? __________________

2004-02-08, 01:02	Link #4
ArKz Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	yep that pretty much sums it up...doubt if their will be much more than just that

2004-02-08, 15:35	Link #6
ArKz Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	/kinda off topic yeah...18 is out to dl already somehow...i am tryin to download it now but its only goin 4 kb/s :cry:

2004-02-08, 16:21	Link #7
Nine Devil Master(Vicious)'s Padawan Join Date: Nov 2003	well i watched it was great fighting of Scar against lust and that shitty humaneater.Lust looks like the wife of Scar's brother o.O and wtf i don't get the end you need to kill humans to make the stone?

2004-02-08, 16:59	Link #8
nak Squishy Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In your pocket. Age: 37	i think that in order to gain the stone you must exchange human life. not sure if you have to kill them exactly but either way it sounds like there has to be some form of human sacrifice or several. personally i think it has something to do with their soul?? im not really that sure

2004-02-08, 17:48	Link #9
Slade Coordinated Insanity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Between Good & Evil	Humm.. The term Scar called Lust and Gluttony really caught my eye... "Homunculus" which is a term I came across before in a game called "shadow of desitny". Which also had a deep theme of alchemy. Supposedly it's a human made being that live beyond time(immortal) and has the power to change destiny. Looks like the definition fits to the point that they're immortal... and they seem to be leading Edward down a certain path. Interesting stuff.

2004-02-08, 21:05	Link #11
Mcdonalds Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38	This ep is a great ep. It moves the story on a lot and it has a great fight scene for people who love action. It also leaves a lot of questions to be answered from the next episodes which is good in my opinion.

2004-02-08, 23:26	Link #14
luisa081 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	what does kiasu mean?

2004-02-09, 00:10	Link #16
animefreak ??? Join Date: Dec 2003	the dictionary says homunculus means "little"..

2004-02-09, 02:13	Link #20
Jackl Member Join Date: Mar 2003	Man I wish I could read raw manga! I feel so behind... Far as I can tell the translators are only on FMA 10 in the manga. Anyway, even without reading much of the manga I think it's pretty obvious who created the homunculus. Spoiler: Scar's brother, DUH. Realizing his mistake he poured everything he had into Scar's arm, hoping he would purge his former creations. Of course, having only read so little of the manga, I could be completely wrong.