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Even then, it is "majority rules, minority rights"
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2012-12-14, 16:44 | Link #322 | |
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As for domestic threats, I tend to view targets other than the government. Our worst nightmare would be the government itself becoming a domestic enemy; but we have mechanisms other than gun use to prevent that.
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2012-12-14, 16:45 | Link #323 | |
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2012-12-14, 16:47 | Link #324 | ||||||
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Small arms technology have remained relatively static for more than half a century, in some cases even longer. There are incremental advancements in some areas, but ultimately they haven't changed much. And yes, the HUMVEE is primarily driven on road We don't usually take them "off roading", nor is it all that "robust". Besides, the Hummers of today have zero connection with actual HUMVEE outside of the name. Quote:
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I'm beginning to think you can't really debate the issue without using red herrings and strawman arguments. The US military budget is a completely different issue, not to mention in the US police budget comes from the state and local level, not federal. Get your facts in order before spouting off crap. Quote:
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2012-12-14, 16:49 | Link #325 |
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Knife attack in China. 22 Children affected. Deaths = Zero.
Gun attack in Newtown. 27 people involved. Deaths = all 27. Guns and Knives are not comparable. end of story. |
2012-12-14, 16:50 | Link #326 | |
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While the example it old and outdated, see what the Confederate civilians did before they gained access to their own production centers. If they start really hammering people (missiles, air bombing of cities), not only have they lost the war, they also kill their civilains. At that point the country does not exist anymore and the rest of the world will do something about it. Probably something not nice.
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2012-12-14, 16:53 | Link #328 | |
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I think one of the main arguments people have regarding gun control is: "There are so many guns out there already! We can't stem the tide! Genie's out of the bottle!" Of course you can, guns break down, restrictions can be put on bullets. Ultimately it's the same argument about people unable to halt unsustainable spending. Government and the policies they create should take the "long view" on things. A failure to do so is the failure to govern. We all disagree on many things, but let's start with a thought experiment: In a world where no civilian ever owned guns .. they simply never existed. Then someone invented it and the government immediately took control of that person. In that circumstance, in our modern day society, should the government release the technology for sale or strictly safeguard it? Outlook is .. getting curiouser and curiouser |
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2012-12-14, 16:54 | Link #329 | |
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Outlaw. Instead, I advocate civilian versions.
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2012-12-14, 17:05 | Link #330 |
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In my book, firearms should only belong within boundaries of law enforcement units, military facilities, hunting and biathlon clubs. If anything comes out of those particular boundaries and into what is deemed civilian areas, carrying, owning and using a gun should be illegal for all that I care.
And before anyone brings up the Second Amendment, let me say bluntly that I wipe my butt with the page on the Second Amendment. After all that happened since Columbine, I have all reasons to do so. |
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Which is what we already have. For example, the AR15 is the civilian version of the M16/4, which removes the burst-fire mode. For others like handguns, you can't really break it down further. What are you gonna do, make them muzzle loaders? Quote:
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2012-12-14, 17:14 | Link #332 | |
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On average -- how many bullets are inside the clip of a semi-automatic handgun? This has been the common weapon of choice among these shooters. If you want my opinion, that number should be less than 10.
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2012-12-14, 17:17 | Link #334 |
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Understandable. Nevertheless, I still wonder what someone would need from a semi-automatic rifle besides killing... a lot. A pistol at the very least has few bullets, and is a lower caliber.
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2012-12-14, 17:19 | Link #335 |
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Be carefull with that; we both are canadian and we don't have the same feeling toward our constitution than the american have with their, that something than you should keep in mind.
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2012-12-14, 17:20 | Link #336 | |
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a full size 9mm typically have a 15 round magazine, though they go down to 12, 9 etc. the smaller they become. On the other hand, the typical .45 pistol have a 8 round magazine, since the diameter of the round is larger, hence less can be fit into the same space. |
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2012-12-14, 17:22 | Link #337 | |
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This hundreds of years old piece of paper has made it very easy for gun enthusiasts and the NRA to paint Freedom and being armed to the teeth as the same thing. You can't have one without the other apparently. You'll forgive me if I call bullshit. |
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2012-12-14, 17:25 | Link #338 | ||
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Too many people have died because of that god-forsaken Amendment and the NRA taking the piss only a few days after Columbine in 1999 was the last straw on what I think about firearms running free in any civilian population. edit: Quote:
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2012-12-14, 17:28 | Link #339 | |
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Yea, it's sick that I'm arguing by the numbers. Well, there's the thing about the Bill of Rights as "untouchable". At least, culturally, that is the case. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean limits on certain rights cannot be imposed just because they are in the Bill of Rights. Rights CAN be abused (even the First Amendment); and therefore, they must be regulated.
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2012-12-14, 17:30 | Link #340 | |
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To be honest, the militia part of the 2nd Amendment is completely out of date and probably dangerous.
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