Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

So let me get this straight. You expect Lelouch to be able to control every single Japanese person everywhere, somehow keep an entire country full of angry Japanese from retaliating against their oppressors, and have a perfect zero casualty rate? Stop trying to make fault where none exists. Lelouch isn't omnipotent. He made the best of a bad situation.

That's your idea of the best? Instead of trying to find reason you turn hate into a weapon?

Originally Posted by Used Can

What about her? She was a KMF pilot, and therefore a soldier.

They didn't know that, they where randomly attacking any Britannians they could find.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

That's your idea of the best? Instead of trying to find reason you turn hate into a weapon?

This is getting stupid. Get some perspective. The Britannians were shown massacring Japanese people in the SAZ on live television. Knightmares with automatic weapons killing unarmed civilians. Lelouch hadn't so much as said a word about it. What do you think people would have done if he had said absolutely nothing? "Oh, who cares if they slaughtered our people as long as we weren't there." You're not even thinking about this rationally. you just want to shove every single bad thing on Lelouch. Granted, he did start it with the command, but the ramifications could not be avoided, only lessened, and that's what Lelouch did.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

This is getting stupid. Get some perspective. The Britannians were shown massacring Japanese people in the SAZ on live television. Knightmares with automatic weapons killing unarmed civilians. Lelouch hadn't so much as said a word about it. What do you think people would have done if he had said absolutely nothing? "Oh, who cares if they slaughtered our people as long as we weren't there." You're not even thinking about this rationally. you just want to shove every single bad thing on Lelouch. Granted, he did start it with the command, but the ramifications could not be avoided, only lessened, and that's what Lelouch did.

He could have placed the blame on a more solid target than "Britannia", if Lelouch did lessen it, than he lessened it barely.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

He could have placed the blame on a more solid target than "Britannia", if Lelouch did lessen it, than he lessened it barely.

Britannian Knightmares were shown killing Japanese civilians. Furthermore, it's highly unlikely they managed to kill every single civilian, so people would know that Euphy ordered the massacre. Who is he possibly supposed to blame? Give a solid explanation as to how anyone but Britannia could possibly be held responsible for this massacre.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Britannian Knightmares were shown killing Japanese civilians. Furthermore, it's highly unlikely they managed to kill every single civilian, so people would know that Euphy ordered the massacre. Who is he possibly supposed to blame? Give a solid explanation as to how anyone but Britannia could possibly be held responsible for this massacre.

Britannian Royal Family?

To quote Lust

Bloodshed begets bloodshed. Hatred begets hatred. The rage and emotion sinks into the land and stains it with the crest of blood. No matter how many times they repeat themselves, they never learn. These sad fools...

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Britannian Royal Family?

Who control the Britannian military, enslaved Japan, and are directly responsible for the massacre. Are you even reading what you type? This is what it sounds like. "No, don't fight the Britannians. Just hate the royal family. All these people that murder in their name, they're cool." There's no logic behind your posts.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Who control the Britannian military, enslaved Japan, and are directly responsible for the massacre. Are you even reading what you type? This is what it sounds like. "No, don't fight the Britannians. Just hate the royal family. All these people that murder in their name, they're cool." There's no logic behind your posts.

So the Britannian civilians murder in their name? Lelouch could have made it clear to hate the Britannian rulers, and military, instead Lelouch blamed the Britannian people.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

So the Britannian civilians murder in their name? Lelouch could have made it clear to hate the Britannian rulers, and military, instead Lelouch blamed the Britannian people.

Lelouch blamed Britannia, not its people. You're making more of his speech than is there. Listen carefully, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself to correct your horribly skewed viewpoint. Lelouch cannot be expected to control every single random civilian who has an axe to grind with Britannia. There were going to be riots, murder, etc. It. Was. Unavoidable. The Britannians had massacred a stadium full of innocent people, and people do not think rationally when confronted with such an atrocity. Lelouch made it so the majority would focus their rage on an appropriate target.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Lelouch blamed Britannia, not its people. You're making more of his speech than is there. Listen carefully, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself to correct your horribly skewed viewpoint. Lelouch cannot be expected to control every single random civilian who has an axe to grind with Britannia. There were going to be riots, murder, etc. It. Was. Unavoidable. The Britannians had massacred a stadium full of innocent people, and people do not think rationally when confronted with such an atrocity. Lelouch made it so the majority would focus their rage on an appropriate target.

He didn't do a very good job of it, if that was his plan, it looks like he just made a riot worse.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

He didn't do a very good job of it, if that was his plan, it looks like he just made a riot worse.

Them attacking Villetta made the riot worse? You're grasping at straws. Uprisings are what started taking place after Lelouch's speech.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Them attacking Villetta made the riot worse? You're grasping at straws. Uprisings are what started taking place after Lelouch's speech.

What are you talking about?

I believe that a more peaceful solution could have been made, that didn't make the hatred between Japanese and Britannians worse.

I am done arguing because this is getting nowhere I will believe what I believe, you believe what you believe.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

What are you talking about?

I believe that a more peaceful solution could have been made, that didn't make the hatred between Japanese and Britannians worse.

I am done arguing because this is getting nowhere I will believe what I believe, you believe what you believe.

Then explain your peaceful solution. All you're doing now is condemning Lelouch for making the best of a bad situation and offering nothing better.

[Droplet]

I've been pondering about Euphemia's death.

Consider Mao, who's been filled with holes and left for dead. No one expected him to live after that. So how the heck was he able to walk again? He says "Britannia's medical technology is amazing", etc.

Now in Euphy's case, she just took one bullet. Yet she died. :/

I suppose it was a matter of being hit in a vital organ. But looking back Mao's firing squad scene, what were the chances of not being hit in a vital organ when there's about a dozen police officers shooting you with machine guns?

[C.A.]

Its only a matter of whether the plot requires who to live or die, we can't bring up facts and science to prove/disprove or understand why in these cases.

[Droplet]

I can definitely agree with your general statement. but I'm interested in knowing what others think about it.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

Spoiler for length:

Yes, Arthur made the grave on his own XD. Come to think of it, Taniguchi was dropping hints about Arthur doing something but we never did get to see what. Arthur=Valiant guard of Suzaku's "grave"?



Oh, thanks for this. What mag did these come from again? Animage?

I'll jot down some quick, loose translations for now. This is not everything and not even word-for-word. I'll elaborate more on this if you guys want.

1st scan (upper half)
A protagonist never before seen! The Legendary Lelouch's Amazing Dogmatic Best 10!
1. He seems practiced in dogeza (kneeling). - Talks about Turn 16 "A Taste of Dirt".
2. He fooled the world with Zero Requiem - comments say that this will be carved in anime history.
3. He is slower than a stuffed costume! - Turn 5. Talks about how, during Suzaku's Welcome Festival, even tabattachi is able to outrun him.
4. Million Zeroes - Turn 8. Comments on how, as expected, the colors don't much!
5. He can even carefully put away a woman's clothes - Turn 11. Comment by editor: Definitely a middle-aged woman (obasan)!
6. He blew up Mt. Fuji
7. Once in a lifetime moment when he personally thrusts into a place using his knightmare! - speaks of Turn 24, when he and Suzaku penetrate the Damocles and he's lost his subordinates. (this probably talks about how Lelouch played offense in that scene.)
8. He dated 108 woman in a day!
9. The legend that he is inexperienced with kissing is true! - He was seemingly flustered during the scene with Shirley.
10. Finally, both eyes become red because of geass!

(lower half)
Reposting the stuff I already did. -
Until the very last, there are still things that have been "calculated". Lelouch's Last Trivia!
1.) Asks about the congratulation messages written hanging on Tamaki's wall in his bar. People might have already heard about this, but Tamaki's VA, Tanaka Kazunari, wrote his own congratulation message to his character, Tamaki, saying, "To the Handsome Tamaki". LOL
2.) About Xingke's noticeable absence in the wedding pic of Ougi and Villetta, still in Tamaki's bar. They offer no explanation, just this, "Why wasn't he at the wedding, despite his precious Tianzi being there? Could it because he had a violent coughing fit?"
3.) The the image of Suzaku and Arthur in Kallen's room - Original Picture by Sakurai Takahiro O_o
4.) Talks about the message on Suzaku's gravestone, which was "Here lies a consummate and invaluable knight to his highness". Suzaku has supposedly fallen in battle by the defeat of the Lancelot. He was the accomplice of the Atrocious Emperor Lelouch, but someone had his grave made.

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2nd scan (upper half)
Lelouch's Tearful Path to Overcoming Nunnally
I've told others before, but this whole section is crack and I can't take it seriously. XD Why? In the main text, there are lines like -
"Why can't Lelouch overcome the tiny wall that is Nunnally? Is it because he doesn't want to overcome her!?"
"Lelouch's path to 'Overcoming Nunnally' has reached climax! and oniisama's painful thoughts/feelings can be seen in his heart."
"Looking back now, this has been Lelouch's hardest battle of the heart!"

(lower half)
Which Lelouch do you like the best? Pick from the "Three Faces"
a. His Excellency, Emperor Lelouch
- attaining greatness, he is able to push his whims
- not once does he smile from the bottom of his heart
- betraying many people, he has no allies
- if need be, he can be thoroughly glass-hearted
- if he obtains power, he can make his actions very quickly

b. The Masked Man Zero
- his bluffs are effective in becoming Zero
- he can use the Shinkirou's keyboard like a piano; even Rolo is absorbed in the Shinkirou's power
- he can only consult with C.C.; to hide his identity, he hides behind a mask that isolates him
- why is he taller in Zero guise than when he is a student? why can't his honest face be seen? why is his voice lower? --> decidely, he's become a true villain!
- it is painful for him to keep his deeds a secret

c. Lelouch Lamperouge
- his brilliance is unmatched
- he knows more about household/family affairs just like a middle-aged woman (obasan)!?
- despite being a student, his knowledgeable about wine
- physically inept; stands out next to the muscle idiot Suzaku
- if he goes on a trip, he'll bring back a present; he took the pain to even buy Shirley a gift in the midst of a war

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Quotes at the very bottom of the page:
Leftmost - Lelouch infamous Rolo-zoukin (Rolo-rag) line
2nd to left - Lelouch's (arrogant?) line, "You should be proud to have chosen me..." to Kallen during their Turn 2 confrontation.

This stuff is laden with the Animage editors' flavor. So, can't really take much seriously, just some fun crack.

Wow! Thank you so much for the translation. I'm not able to +rep you now. Shall do that when I'm able to.

As expected from the title of a Taste of Dirt, Lelouch had 'a taste of it'. Referring to Suzaku stepping on his head scene . He is really doing well despite being the former prince of Britannia. This is really a fun section to tease Lelouch . What?! they called him an obasan. How cute Rolo-rag has to be one of his most classic quote to render them the release of a rag with the first press of the DVD vol. 2.

Well, Suzaku's cat is indeed loyal but making a grave for him is too much. We never know since this is Code Geass . Who knows, Arthur could be a human whose Geass allows him to transfer soul to a cat (Darker than Black reference ).

Posting up the rest of the wordy scans.

Spoiler for length:

Below are the staff comments, they are rather too wordy. These scans are from Animedia.



I will like to post up VA's comments (from Newtype) too but due to the limited size I can scan with my scanner, this is at best as I can do. I will post 2 version so that words from the extreme sides can be seen from the 2nd page. Feel free to translate if you are able to. If not, it's ok since these are really too much work

1st page:


2nd page:


This is the scan for the interview of Sakurai Takahiro, Goro Taniguchi and Fukuyama Jun. This is again from Newtype.



Yukana's page from Newtype. I skipped the image scans since they are posted and out.



Animage scans on Ichirō Ōkouchi:

From left to right
Page 1 & 2:


Page 3 & 4:

Page 5:

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Droplet

I've been pondering about Euphemia's death.

Consider Mao, who's been filled with holes and left for dead. No one expected him to live after that. So how the heck was he able to walk again? He says "Britannia's medical technology is amazing", etc.

Now in Euphy's case, she just took one bullet. Yet she died. :/

I suppose it was a matter of being hit in a vital organ. But looking back Mao's firing squad scene, what were the chances of not being hit in a vital organ when there's about a dozen police officers shooting you with machine guns?

Euphemia was clearly a massive pussy for dying from only one gunshot wound.

[youngde]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Euphemia was clearly a massive pussy for dying from only one gunshot wound.

It's not about how many times you get shot. It's all about whether your life or death will have a more profound effect on the plot. (If only real life were such.)

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by youngde

It's not about how many times you get shot. It's all about whether your life or death will have a more profound effect on the plot. (If only real life were such.)

It is how many times you are shot for important characters at least

Mao - Multiple Gunshot wounds survives
Mao - shot once dies
Cornelia - Multiple gun shot wounds that miss the femoral Artery survives
Genbu - shot once dies
Euphemia - shot once dies

[Eggs in a Bottle]

I just wanted to comment that I tried to research the Geass "universe" and found just more people having their own perceptions of the story:

According to an English edition of Newtype, the power of Geass has something to do with the very existence of humankind, and it may be used to destroy or transform just about anything. This is because the "god" of the Geass universe is actually a collection of subconscious and will that are always in conflict, and one with a powerful Geass could influence it, and with a proper system, can also influence reality.

I mean uhh so the gods were the subconscious and will of mankind having humanoid shapes and flying in the dreamland skies, and if you have Geass, you can influence the gods (you don't need a proper system for this), and then if you have a proper system, you can influence the reality too?

I mean hell what the...

This with the fact that EVERYBODY believe Lelouch used Geass on the GOOOODS, instead of just sending a wish to the skies (he said that he's just sending a wish, and I believe the gods weren't too happy when they noticed what Charles was cooking down there) with the fact that he is a special person linked to godhood since he has Geass. I mean if the creators really ment that he used Geass on the gods themselves...

The only possible explanation to this all, and I read this on some other forums, would be that the codes, gods, geass power and everything would be a prison planet system as in GunxSword, but different. Sooo the gods aren't immune to Geass, because there's just this very complicated system of dividing power with the coders being not able to do anything and being immortal at the same time, and having to use other people to use Geass powers. And the gods don't actually have divine powers, they are just overlords of the planet. And they aren't any subconscious but rather just people who have stayed chained in dreamland for eternity, and for some reason they can't do shit except make people vanish.

Edit: I am confused after reading my own post. Let's just call it like I first thought it was, gods are gods and the Sword of Akasha was a suicide ritual!