2011-12-20, 22:28 | Link #1281 | |
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2011-12-20, 22:41 | Link #1284 | |
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Any solution that fits the requirements of a problem is a valid solution. For example, a math problem where X could work as more than one number. As long as the problem works out, any of those answers is correct. As long as you could come out to one of those, then the problem was presented to you correctly. As such, the problem is indeed solvable. |
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2011-12-20, 23:33 | Link #1286 |
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Actually I am. What you were saying is that because everyone was acting different, it wasn't the truth. I'm saying that there was another side of the characters that wasn't shown to us until EP8 and that the theory in EP7 was obviously not the truth because it was intended to be presented that way. So just because the characters were different doesn't mean that it wasn't true, it just means there is possibly more to them than what we are presented.
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2011-12-21, 00:04 | Link #1288 | |
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Anyway, I think that's the author's intent. Not to take away from coming up with fun theories, though! |
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2011-12-21, 00:34 | Link #1289 | |
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2011-12-21, 04:51 | Link #1290 | |
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why would it disappear before Beato was dead in the fantasy-view? my theory is that Yasu used it a extra weight so Battler couldn't save her. It could signify that that ingot was never there either, but that seems kinda strange too since him taking a ingot with him doesn't seem odd in the slightest, so why make it disappear? just symbolism maybe. I kind of saw that as something pointing to her having guilt because even if she didn't, she did plan to kill all of them if things had gone differently. |
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2011-12-21, 07:44 | Link #1292 |
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I'd agree with that, but it could very well be that she had indirectly caused someones demise. Or maybe even something vaguer than that, like giving the opportunity for the murders to take place.
Now that I think about it, I don't think it actually adds up with what they were talking about. Saying "I have committed countless sins across countless worlds." is weird upon itself but if I'm not mistaken Battler said that she hadn't committed any sins in this world. So i can't really think of a logical reason that she would opt for suicide. |
2011-12-21, 08:07 | Link #1293 |
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I want to add my input about the whole discussion about the tea party of EP7.
In the first place providing a solution in the end with something that was never hinted isn't narratively satisfying. It's not just a Knox rule, it simply doesn't really work well in narrative, that's what the layman calls "asspull". You can tell that the whole accident was caused by aliens or by a meteorite or by an international secret organization that was developing an atomic bomb. Anything could "work" if you have the freedom to come up with stuff that was never mentioned not hinted in any way, but that's completely lame and the readers won't be satisfied. Even if a character has an hidden side there should be some hint or some reason to think that side exists. Now that Kyrie could be a murderer that was hinted well enough, no problem with that. But that Kyrie is completely stupid? Definitely not. And here you can't talk about "sides". You are either an intelligent analytical person or you are dumb. What the EP7 party shows is a Kyrie that can't reason past the surface of things, which is totally at odd with anything we knew about her. Naturally of you think Kyrie had other reasons, or that the part where she acts stupid are false scenes, that's a different matter. But then you need to provide an explanation. Lastly I would like to express my opinion on the matter of "madness" as a movent for a culprit. While "mad" people exist and therefore it isn't unrealistic for a crime to be committed just out of pure madness, it's yet another thing that doesn't really work in narrative. If we are supposed to think about a movent (and Ryuukishi himself made a point about that) then it must be something worth our efforts. It must be something that can be deduced by logic and difficult to be obtained. "Madness" is an extremely easy and trivial answer to that question. Madness stands to whydunit as magic stands to howdunit: there is absolutely nothing you cannot explain with it. I'm not saying that the culprit shouldn't be mad, but the culprit needs to have a reason other than simply madness.
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2011-12-21, 08:32 | Link #1294 |
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You know what I think would be awesome? If 07th Expansion released a disk with a bunch of murder games, like Bernkastel's murder game. I regret not taking my time with that one, I ended up not thinking hard enough and reading all the hints, and didn't actually work it out myself.
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2011-12-21, 09:37 | Link #1295 |
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Finally, I can safely go here again without spoiling myself. That was a long hiatus. Thanks to Witch Hunt for the translation.
Also, Lambda did get in the top 5 of the popularity poll: http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/umi8/vote_end.html
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2011-12-21, 10:46 | Link #1296 | |
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didn't read all the hints, but I really shouldn't have gotten impatient and used them at all to get started. What's done is done, but I'd totally be for a disc specifically focused on that kind of murder game. It really clicked with me how you'd first find hints for the innocent in the narration, then use their purple to strike more peopel off the suspect list and use their purple to find more in a neat process of elimination. In other words, it was a game, not to find who could have commited the crime, but who couldn't. The purple and impartial narration ended up making it so much closer to a bona fide mystery novel, and I'd love to see that expanded upon. |
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2011-12-21, 12:25 | Link #1297 | |
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Or that Beatrice was never in that scene and Battler is going nutters.
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2011-12-21, 14:08 | Link #1299 | |
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drowing herself using the ingot they brought as extra weight so Battler couldn't save her and Battler falling unconscious after trying regardless. Anything else about the scene I take with a grain of salt. It's just as likely that she merely told him about the leftover base and the boat beforehand, but I don't see why it's more likely than the other. |
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2011-12-21, 14:46 | Link #1300 | |
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Or maybe she just tripped. |
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