[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 374 Discussion

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

What do you mean by help from the author? Certainly you don't mean Ichigo who nearly dies each battle but manages to get stronger. You should be talking about all the characters that are overly powerful to begin with. At least they show you how Ichigo obtains his power. When they show the captains history it's usually worse. Look at kenpachi, strong for no reason. Hitsugaya, random lucky sword.

Uuuummm... do you call lying dead on the ground a very good, explained reason to turn into monster and tore apart Ulquiorra who moment ago was wiping a floor with him?

Zaraki is far more explained since he lives for hundreds of years. He had all time in the world to turn from noob into killing machine while Ichigo became strong out from thin air.

Even Hitsugaya has more explained reasons since onece again he is far more older than Ichigo, he has experience of at least 10-20 years and Ichigo not even a day!

He has never hold a sword before. He should be cut in half by a VC level shinigami and also by captain with closed eyes.

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

You do realize that Ichigo has the upper hand every time he has his mask on. He took 3 free hits to save orihime and still won without a problem. Had kenpachi not stepped in his hollow would have destroyed nnoitora quicker than Ulquiorra. Power is power, and Ichigo has it. Play to win.

Please remind me when was the last time that his mask had helped him at all? If Orihime would keep her mouth shut Grimmjow and Ulquiorra would kill him 100s of times.

Vizard powers are his, but he still is lame and can't do a thing. But Hichigo is not him. If Hichigo would kill Nnoitra, it would be hollows win not Ichigo's. Even Ichigo admits it. Take Hichigo out of him and he will suck.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by kitten320

Vizard powers are his, but he still is lame and can't do a thing. But Hichigo is not him. If Hichigo would kill Nnoitra, it would be hollows win not Ichigo's. Even Ichigo admits it. Take Hichigo out of him and he will suck.

kitten speaks the truth, the only reason i like ichigo is because of Hichigo.

[praeceps]

Originally Posted by kitten320

Uuuummm... do you call lying dead on the ground a very good, explained reason to turn into monster and tore apart Ulquiorra who moment ago was wiping a floor with him?
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Actually, it is a good reason if not a well explained one. Most people don't remember it because it was explained before the Soul Society arc. It was in fact demonstrated by Don Kanonji that if you rip open a demi-hollow's hole it will become a hollow. The attack that 'killed' Ichigo, simply gave him a hollow hole (and one that was bigger than the last time he went full hollow). Therefore being 'killed' just turned Ichigo into more of a hollow.

[Cooler1339]

It is clear that Ichigo gets his power from Hichigo, just like Renji gets his power from zabimaru. If Hichigo fights just consider it an ability Ichigo has.

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by praeceps

Actually, it is a good reason if not a well explained one. Most people don't remember it because it was explained before the Soul Society arc. It was in fact demonstrated by Don Kanonji that if you rip open a demi-hollow's hole it will become a hollow. The attack that 'killed' Ichigo, simply gave him a hollow hole (and one that was bigger than the last time he went full hollow). Therefore being 'killed' just turned Ichigo into more of a hollow.

Then why the hell he didn't turn into hollow when Ulquiorra made a hole first time? Plotehole?

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

It is clear that Ichigo gets his power from Hichigo, just like Renji gets his power from zabimaru. If Hichigo fights just consider it an ability Ichigo has.

Hichigo and Zabimaru are two completly different things. Zabimaru doesn't conntrol Renji's body and mind, Renji is Renji.

But Hichigo fully controls all Ichigo's senses, it is two humans in one. Ichigo has no control there.

[tensashinigami]

Originally Posted by kitten320

Then why the hell he didn't turn into hollow when Ulquiorra made a hole first time? Plotehole?



Hichigo and Zabimaru are two completly different things. Zabimaru doesn't conntrol Renji's body and mind, Renji is Renji.

But Hichigo fully controls all Ichigo's senses, it is two humans in one. Ichigo has no control there.

Originally Posted by kitten320

If Orihime would keep her mouth shut Grimmjow and Ulquiorra would kill him 100s of times.

Simple, there was no Orihime around screaming help or crying out his name. Kurosaki had no motivation to get up and fight. She or Rukia wasn't not around to protect, he pretty much gave up hope but still clinging to life.

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

Also in the translation I read Shunsui clearly says "this is the bankai of a top level captain."

then i suggest you find a new translation source. preferably one that does more than joke releases.

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

Shunsui is stuck in Shikai like Ichigo. The fact that his sword is playing a role in his power means he's currently in bankai.

perhaps you missed the part several chapters ago where ukitake specifically stops shunsui from going bankai. which, by the way, was after doing a release which could then only have been shikai.

short version: you are wrong

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

It is clear that Ichigo gets his power from Hichigo, just like Renji gets his power from zabimaru. If Hichigo fights just consider it an ability Ichigo has.

when was the last time zabimaru decided to possess renji?
hell, ichigo himself always says that what hichigo does isn't him.

[Cooler1339]

Originally Posted by kamyu

when was the last time zabimaru decided to possess renji?
hell, ichigo himself always says that what hichigo does isn't him.

Certain people have different Powers, You can already tell Hichigo is just trying to help. He always gives Ichigo some advice. His power source comes from Hichigo.

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Cooler1339

Certain people have different Powers, You can already tell Hichigo is just trying to help. He always gives Ichigo some advice. His power source comes from Hichigo.

did you miss all of the "if you slip up, i'll trample you and take over" stuff? hichigo doesn't give a rats ass about helping or teaching ichigo.

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by Z. Kensei

We still have yet to get an explanation as to how ichigo killed Ulqiorra

He said that his lower organs were blasted away from the headstomp cero.

[Cooler1339]

Originally Posted by kamyu

did you miss all of the "if you slip up, i'll trample you and take over" stuff? hichigo doesn't give a rats ass about helping or teaching ichigo.

I say that to people all the time. It's pretty friendly.

[kamyu]

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

He said that his lower organs were blasted away from the headstomp cero.

pretty sure he meant a proper explanation of the transformation/power-up/resurrection/raptor jesus.

[Alchemist007]

I figured but just in case.

[Squawks]

Originally Posted by MidnightViper88

Well, Salmon is a fish and not a pinkish color, but you can find it in a box of Crayola crayons, so it counts as one...

Gray is a colour, black isn't and technically white is but it's not considered a colour so. lol tite logic :x

[kamyu]

i think the bigger problem is that he brought a color based ability into a black and white medium.

he could play with it a lot in the anime though.

[Alchemist007]

Unfortunately so could the filler people.

edit: @Neg repper, go jump off a bridge, I'm allowed to use the word filler.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by Squawks

Gray is a colour, black isn't and technically white is but it's not considered a colour so. lol tite logic :x

Well, what did you want to use in a black and white manga, yellow?

[Rawrz]

Child games turning to reality? wtf is wrong with this series...Author on crack? A sword that is able to play tic-tac-toe with the opponent?

[SeanQ]

Originally Posted by Rawrz

Child games turning to reality? wtf is wrong with this series...Author on crack?

People shooting fire and ice out of their swords...you're just realizing how unrealistic this manga is...?
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Vaporizer wholesale

[Rawrz]

Originally Posted by SeanQ

People shooting fire and ice out of their swords...you're just realizing how unrealistic this manga is...?

Shooting stuff and energy from your fingers is ok, altering child games to reality and resulting in death is purely retarded. Pretty much confirms that the guy is out of ideas.