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Brother Coa · 2016-08-23, 17:35

To be honest, now that I looked all episodes so far I find Junko's reasoning for Despair to solely exists and win...quite stupid....

"Despair must win because Hope is boring."

And despair is not boring? With hope you at least have some kind of improvement here and there because hope is making people to struggle to find or invest into somethin better - for themselves or everyone else.

Despair is the ultimate stalemate, one can only take one look at 40k and be done with it. In 40k despair is everyone and hope is so low it cannot really count everywhere. And what is result of such setting? There is no improvement at all for thousands of years, there is war everywhere, everyone is in such mood that they are good with working their entire life without advancing at all, life is too short to have anything meaningless happening and in the end you are nothing more than a brick in the wall no matter how much important you are. While this universe is awesome on it's own and my all-favorite it would actually be quite boring for your average person living in it.

In despair there is no advancement, there is only stalemate. And while despair do offer some satisfaction from feeling it it can only last so long before it is gone. Because when nothing is happening boredom is the ultimate result. That or death, in the end despair will destroy everything because people will kill each-other to feel more despair.

Hope on the other hand is not boring as it inspires everlasting change, something new is always happening in hope - be it destruction or creation. It's why it always win in the end, even if it suffer failure here and there.

Junko is not only extremely smart when it comes to torturing and killing people - she is also qutie stupid when it comes to looking at bigger picture. Hell, even in Danganronpa she hoped to be exposed and defeated by Naegi only to experience more despair - she used hope to get despair. Talking about contradicting yourself....

Imperfection · 2016-08-23, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Brother Coa

To be honest, now that I looked all episodes so far I find Junko's reasoning for Despair to solely exists and win...quite stupid....

"Despair must win because Hope is boring."

And despair is not boring? With hope you at least have some kind of improvement here and there because hope is making people to struggle to find or invest into somethin better - for themselves or everyone else.

In despair there is no advancement, there is only stalemate. And while despair do offer some satisfaction from feeling it it can only last so long before it is gone. Because when nothing is happening boredom is the ultimate result. That or death, in the end despair will destroy everything because people will kill each-other to feel more despair.

Yea it actually is pretty confusing. Honestly, I feel if Junko truly wished to feel despair, she would definitely value hope more, since theyre two sides of the same coin. Like komaeda said, overcoming greater despair births a greater hope, and greater hope can birth a greater despair.

I feel to me Junko is much more a thrill seeker than anything. I feel if despair won and the world was driven into even more utter chaos than it is currently, Junko (if she was still alive) would become so bored she wouldnt know what to do with herself. I can actually see Junko appreciating hope at that point, if only because it is hope that makes despair so exciting for her.

Golden_Witch · 2016-08-29, 02:22

So, what do you guys think of the "It's an anime made by Ryota" theory?

I only stumbled upon by chance, but we do have "No Good" codes, right?
Can we talk about a coincidence that an "NG" is a scene which is either a mistake or intended to occur differently in series, movies or anime?
Persona 4 anime as example where there were 2 Chie's in one scene is an NG.

I was thinking about the "anime" theory and thought:
What if NG Codes are triggers for NG scenes?
Basically, Ryota made the anime the NG codes are scenes he didn't intend cause someone hijacked his work.

For example, Bandai died due to his NG code. That is an NG scene not intended to occur.
NG scenes = Not following the script = NG code activates = Death.

Likewise, Tengan was supposed to answer all questions with a lie, if I remember right.
Perhaps Tengan was the original bad guy in Ryota's anime.

Dengar · 2016-08-30, 02:06

No his forbidden action was to answer a question with a lie. Besides some of these actions seem to be designed in a way that they definitely will happen. I mean, open his hand? That was definitely to prevent him from saving someone.

Mad Pierrot · 2016-09-02, 09:52

TIME PARADOX

https://aww.moe/qljfmm.webm

blitz1/2 · 2016-09-02, 13:53

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Originally Posted by amaterasu4

TIME PARADOX

https://aww.moe/qljfmm.webm

Did you make this?

xD

Mad Pierrot · 2016-09-02, 13:59

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Did you make this?

xD

A friend made it.

blitz1/2 · 2016-09-02, 16:47

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Originally Posted by amaterasu4

A friend made it.

Can you ask him if I can upload it to nico? I just want to see how the viewers react to it. xD. But the credits...are for a different show?

Mad Pierrot · 2016-09-02, 17:36

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2

Can you ask him if I can upload it to nico? I just want to see how the viewers react to it. xD. But the credits...are for a different show?

Do it. Don't know about the credits though

erneiz_hyde · 2016-09-07, 14:52

Btw, since I was rather late to the party I only now noticed that Nagito and Naegi has the same seiyuu, and that Nagito's name is an anagram of Naegi's name. Really homes the point that Nagito is a messed and jumbled up version of Naegi

blitz1/2 · 2016-09-07, 16:10

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Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

Btw, since I was rather late to the party I only now noticed that Nagito and Naegi has the same seiyuu, and that Nagito's name is an anagram of Naegi's name. Really homes the point that Nagito is a messed and jumbled up version of Naegi

Well, for me, I just WISH we had those 2 interact with each other.

Dengar · 2016-09-08, 03:41

From what I understand, Komaeda and Naegi being anagrams of eachother is a complete coincidence, if the writer himself is to be believed.

erneiz_hyde · 2016-09-08, 05:35

Complete coincidence in-universe maybe, but you'll excuse me for not believing that on a meta level

AP24 · 2016-09-13, 23:53

I finished Danganronpa 2 game, should I also play Ultra Despair Girls?

Dengar · 2016-09-14, 16:06

Well, if you want the full experience, yes. But very few things happen there that are absolutely crucial. That said, it does a very good job of world building, and it's totally worth it just for that.

AP24 · 2016-09-14, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Well, if you want the full experience, yes. But very few things happen there that are absolutely crucial. That said, it does a very good job of world building, and it's totally worth it just for that.

Is there anything crucial in Ultra Despair Girls that are important to know before watching Danganronpa 3?

blitz1/2 · 2016-09-14, 23:55

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Originally Posted by AP24

Is there anything crucial in Ultra Despair Girls that are important to know before watching Danganronpa 3?

Other than knowing about Monaca, I don't think so.

Dengar · 2016-09-15, 02:47

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Originally Posted by AP24

Is there anything crucial in Ultra Despair Girls that are important to know before watching Danganronpa 3?

Again, if you want the full experience, then yes. If you're fine not knowing every little detail, then not really.

Kuroageha · 2016-11-22, 09:27

Interview about D3 with the author Kodaka and the animation producer
http://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post...post-kibou-hen

Dengar · 2016-11-26, 14:05

Somewhat insightful. Looks like the creators at the very least got to enjoy their own work.

Kodaka plainly admitting that he wanted to write a happy ending for all the surviving characters from the games. I suppose that's his right, but it still saddens me that he went this route. I mean I don't really like a bloodbath... But DR3 didn't have enough, you know, despair. I hope he goes back to his butcher self for V3.

2016-09-02, 09:52	Link #145
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	TIME PARADOX https://aww.moe/qljfmm.webm __________________

2016-09-07, 14:52	Link #150
erneiz_hyde 18782+18782=37564 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: InterWebs	Btw, since I was rather late to the party I only now noticed that Nagito and Naegi has the same seiyuu, and that Nagito's name is an anagram of Naegi's name. Really homes the point that Nagito is a messed and jumbled up version of Naegi __________________

2016-09-08, 05:35	Link #153
erneiz_hyde 18782+18782=37564 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: InterWebs	Complete coincidence in-universe maybe, but you'll excuse me for not believing that on a meta level __________________

2016-08-23, 17:35	Link #141
Brother Coa Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Holy Terra	To be honest, now that I looked all episodes so far I find Junko's reasoning for Despair to solely exists and win...quite stupid.... "Despair must win because Hope is boring." And despair is not boring? With hope you at least have some kind of improvement here and there because hope is making people to struggle to find or invest into somethin better - for themselves or everyone else. Despair is the ultimate stalemate, one can only take one look at 40k and be done with it. In 40k despair is everyone and hope is so low it cannot really count everywhere. And what is result of such setting? There is no improvement at all for thousands of years, there is war everywhere, everyone is in such mood that they are good with working their entire life without advancing at all, life is too short to have anything meaningless happening and in the end you are nothing more than a brick in the wall no matter how much important you are. While this universe is awesome on it's own and my all-favorite it would actually be quite boring for your average person living in it. In despair there is no advancement, there is only stalemate. And while despair do offer some satisfaction from feeling it it can only last so long before it is gone. Because when nothing is happening boredom is the ultimate result. That or death, in the end despair will destroy everything because people will kill each-other to feel more despair. Hope on the other hand is not boring as it inspires everlasting change, something new is always happening in hope - be it destruction or creation. It's why it always win in the end, even if it suffer failure here and there. Junko is not only extremely smart when it comes to torturing and killing people - she is also qutie stupid when it comes to looking at bigger picture. Hell, even in Danganronpa she hoped to be exposed and defeated by Naegi only to experience more despair - she used hope to get despair. Talking about contradicting yourself....

2016-08-29, 02:22	Link #143
Golden_Witch Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014	So, what do you guys think of the "It's an anime made by Ryota" theory? I only stumbled upon by chance, but we do have "No Good" codes, right? Can we talk about a coincidence that an "NG" is a scene which is either a mistake or intended to occur differently in series, movies or anime? Persona 4 anime as example where there were 2 Chie's in one scene is an NG. I was thinking about the "anime" theory and thought: What if NG Codes are triggers for NG scenes? Basically, Ryota made the anime the NG codes are scenes he didn't intend cause someone hijacked his work. For example, Bandai died due to his NG code. That is an NG scene not intended to occur. NG scenes = Not following the script = NG code activates = Death. Likewise, Tengan was supposed to answer all questions with a lie, if I remember right. Perhaps Tengan was the original bad guy in Ryota's anime.

2016-08-30, 02:06	Link #144
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	No his forbidden action was to answer a question with a lie. Besides some of these actions seem to be designed in a way that they definitely will happen. I mean, open his hand? That was definitely to prevent him from saving someone.

2016-09-08, 03:41	Link #152
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	From what I understand, Komaeda and Naegi being anagrams of eachother is a complete coincidence, if the writer himself is to be believed.

2016-09-13, 23:53	Link #154
AP24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I finished Danganronpa 2 game, should I also play Ultra Despair Girls?

2016-09-14, 16:06	Link #155
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Well, if you want the full experience, yes. But very few things happen there that are absolutely crucial. That said, it does a very good job of world building, and it's totally worth it just for that.

2016-11-22, 09:27	Link #159
Kuroageha Mystic Musician Join Date: Jul 2015	Interview about D3 with the author Kodaka and the animation producer http://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post...post-kibou-hen

2016-11-26, 14:05	Link #160
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Somewhat insightful. Looks like the creators at the very least got to enjoy their own work. Kodaka plainly admitting that he wanted to write a happy ending for all the surviving characters from the games. I suppose that's his right, but it still saddens me that he went this route. I mean I don't really like a bloodbath... But DR3 didn't have enough, you know, despair. I hope he goes back to his butcher self for V3.