(L+CR) Outbreak Company ~Moeru Shinryakusha~

[Dark Faith]

Originally Posted by D-Joe

Well that's because Dragon don't afraid Magic
But doesn't mean JSDF don't afraid Magic...and let's not forget the football match like someone said

Tomorrow is time,it should be change some people's thinking unless anime change the plot again

I think the biggest issue with an actual invasion are the other governments on Earth. If the JSDF started moving in large numbers, other powers in the area (and the US, I suppose) would want to know why.

Still, the JSDF would do well to keep a healthy fear of magic, but if it came to full scale war, how many actual magicians does Eldant have, how many would keep casting under fire...and for how long could they sustain it (if we think in terms of endurance/mana/spells per day) ?
On the other hand, any JSDF grunt could probably kill a good dozen infantry with just a clip

[SPARTAN 119]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

they could use black magic (the ones with sacrifices) if there is any or just summon some spirit/god . If there is any , space manipulation to block the portal. Without counting that what we see are just kids and they are arleady pretty strong(a 10 years old dwarf throwing boulders capable of destroyng tanks/about 10 years old elves capable of making localized hurricanes with magic). So if they made a mass ritual i think they could probably do something against japan.

From what I could see as far as a war between Eldant and Japan. It is pretty much a given that Eldant would not be able to invade Japan, let alone all of Earth.

Still, if they used magic to attack Japan, and Japan built nuclear weapons, which the Japanese could do very quickly if they wanted to, and retaliated with them, it would likely result in widespread destruction on both sides, but with Eldant probably coming off worst, with given that the radioactive fallout would render area uninhabitable, preventing any rebuilding and reinhabitation. In other words, a bad outcome for both sides- Eldant would be devastated, Japan would suffer severe damage and casualties, and Eldant would be useless to Japan in terms of raw materials.

In my opinion, there are two possibities if the war were to occur. The first possiblity is a final, but bloody Japanese would keep fighting, perhaps with political spinning of the this as war of liberation of the downtrodden classes of Eldant, perhaps also supported the simple idea of national pride- We are not going to be defeated by these medieval-level primitives who probably don't even understand the concept of a heliocentric solar system!

Japanese victory could also occur more quickly if the Japanese convince the elves and dwarves that they being treated as little more than slaves under the present leaders of Eldant, and they should join their side and fight for their freedom. They might also promise that they would be the new leaders of Eldant, or, for those victims of any mistreatment that might have occurred, the simple promise of revenge might be enough. With the combined force of the JSDF's firepower, the elves' magic, and the dwarves strength, the human rulers of Eldant would likely be forced to surrender. What happens after that, however, would depend on a number of factors, such as whether Japan delivers on promises autonomy of the new Eldantan government, and whether the dwarves and elves find a way to put aside their differences and come to a compromise on government, or whether the two sides start fighting each other, leading to civil war.

Finally, it is possible that Eldant could become "Japanese for Vietnam". While the firepower of JSDF automatic weapons, tanks, aircraft etc manages to cause enough damage to allow them to defeat the Eldant Army in open conflict, assuming the elves and dwarves remain on the side of Eldant, they resort to guerilla tactics- firing off attack magic, then retreating. These hit and run attacks cause enough Japanese casualties that citizens lose their support of the war, resulting in either a peace settlement, or more likely, withdrawal of JSDF forces and the sealing off of the portal- covering it with hardened steel and/or concrete plates or something.

That said, the more likely solution thus far is a more diplomatic one- with the growing popularity of Japanese popular culture in Eldant, which will no doubt be followed by demand for other things from Earth, such as widespread development of electricity, indoor plumbing, medicine, technology etc, both sides are in a position where they can both come to an agreement where they mutually benefit:

The Japanese can promise to aid Eldant in its development, while they are given access to natural resources such as oil, minerals etc. That said, this will only work if the Japanese leaders learn from European period of colonization- that you cannot keep a colony forever, and that, ideally, they should allow Eldant to keep its autonomy, and not overexploit the resources, so Eldant can develop into a modern nation-state, though this would obviously take hundreds of years for full development. Eventually, Eldant and surrounding countries in the world on the other side of the portal might even become members of the UN.

Eventually, if everything went well, it is likely that political reform would likely take place in Eldant, Petrarca could probably be convinced to take steps towards democracy simply if it meant she could hand a lot of the paperwork down to some elected official! Not to mention there are already improvements in race relations and increased literacy.

[RobotCat]

Originally Posted by SPARTAN 119

From what I could see as far as a war between Eldant and Japan. It is pretty much a given that Eldant would not be able to invade Japan, let alone all of Earth.

Still, if they used magic to attack Japan, and Japan built nuclear weapons, which the Japanese could do very quickly if they wanted to, and retaliated with them, it would likely result in widespread destruction on both sides, but with Eldant probably coming off worst, with given that the radioactive fallout would render area uninhabitable, preventing any rebuilding and reinhabitation. In other words, a bad outcome for both sides- Eldant would be devastated, Japan would suffer severe damage and casualties, and Eldant would be useless to Japan in terms of raw materials.

In my opinion, there are two possibities if the war were to occur. The first possiblity is a final, but bloody Japanese would keep fighting, perhaps with political spinning of the this as war of liberation of the downtrodden classes of Eldant, perhaps also supported the simple idea of national pride- We are not going to be defeated by these medieval-level primitives who probably don't even understand the concept of a heliocentric solar system!

Japanese victory could also occur more quickly if the Japanese convince the elves and dwarves that they being treated as little more than slaves under the present leaders of Eldant, and they should join their side and fight for their freedom. They might also promise that they would be the new leaders of Eldant, or, for those victims of any mistreatment that might have occurred, the simple promise of revenge might be enough. With the combined force of the JSDF's firepower, the elves' magic, and the dwarves strength, the human rulers of Eldant would likely be forced to surrender. What happens after that, however, would depend on a number of factors, such as whether Japan delivers on promises autonomy of the new Eldantan government, and whether the dwarves and elves find a way to put aside their differences and come to a compromise on government, or whether the two sides start fighting each other, leading to civil war.

Finally, it is possible that Eldant could become "Japanese for Vietnam". While the firepower of JSDF automatic weapons, tanks, aircraft etc manages to cause enough damage to allow them to defeat the Eldant Army in open conflict, assuming the elves and dwarves remain on the side of Eldant, they resort to guerilla tactics- firing off attack magic, then retreating. These hit and run attacks cause enough Japanese casualties that citizens lose their support of the war, resulting in either a peace settlement, or more likely, withdrawal of JSDF forces and the sealing off of the portal- covering it with hardened steel and/or concrete plates or something.

That said, the more likely solution thus far is a more diplomatic one- with the growing popularity of Japanese popular culture in Eldant, which will no doubt be followed by demand for other things from Earth, such as widespread development of electricity, indoor plumbing, medicine, technology etc, both sides are in a position where they can both come to an agreement where they mutually benefit:

The Japanese can promise to aid Eldant in its development, while they are given access to natural resources such as oil, minerals etc. That said, this will only work if the Japanese leaders learn from European period of colonization- that you cannot keep a colony forever, and that, ideally, they should allow Eldant to keep its autonomy, and not overexploit the resources, so Eldant can develop into a modern nation-state, though this would obviously take hundreds of years for full development. Eventually, Eldant and surrounding countries in the world on the other side of the portal might even become members of the UN.

Eventually, if everything went well, it is likely that political reform would likely take place in Eldant, Petrarca could probably be convinced to take steps towards democracy simply if it meant she could hand a lot of the paperwork down to some elected official! Not to mention there are already improvements in race relations and increased literacy.

Going to war would be the worst case scenario for Japan. Imagine if China or the US found out about Japan secretly building a nuclear weapon, or sees large troop mobilization through its spy satellites. China and the US will both demand to know what's going on.

Imagine if the fighting spreads through the portal, the US will use this chance to place its troops in Japan to 'help' it's ally. China will use UN muscle to sends its troops as part of a UN 'peacekeeping' task force. In the end, even if Japan wins, it now has both US and Chinese troops in its borders, fighting to control the portal.

If war breaks out Japan will probably just end up shutting down the portal until they can figure out a better strategy later. Getting either the US or China involved will probably send the entire region into chaos.

[DarkWarrior]

Originally Posted by RobotCat

Going to war would be the worst case scenario for Japan. Imagine if China or the US found out about Japan secretly building a nuclear weapon, or sees large troop mobilization through its spy satellites. China and the US will both demand to know what's going on.

Imagine if the fighting spreads through the portal, the US will use this chance to place its troops in Japan to 'help' it's ally. China will use UN muscle to sends its troops as part of a UN 'peacekeeping' task force. In the end, even if Japan wins, it now has both US and Chinese troops in its borders, fighting to control the portal.

If war breaks out Japan will probably just end up shutting down the portal until they can figure out a better strategy later. Getting either the US or China involved will probably send the entire region into chaos.

lol at the UN doing anything. The US is a part of the Security Council, so China won't be able to do anything through the UN since other P5 countries will veto the hell out of it. If China sends troops across the Japanese border it's going to be flat out WWIII, so I don't see them doing anything at all.

[RobotCat]

Originally Posted by DarkWarrior

lol at the UN doing anything. The US is a part of the Security Council, so China won't be able to do anything through the UN since other P5 countries will veto the hell out of it. If China sends troops across the Japanese border it's going to be flat out WWIII, so I don't see them doing anything at all.

Throwing the portal in the mix and WWIII is far more likely. If the winners know they can claim the land through the portal complete nuclear annihilation becomes less of a problem. Even in the real world it's really hard to tell what would happen if a portal like this appeared. It'd completely disrupt the status quo that we have right now.

Even if they don't go to war Japan will not like its new position with every world power trying to exert influence over them.

[DarkWarrior]

Originally Posted by RobotCat

Throwing the portal in the mix and WWIII is far more likely. If the winners know they can claim the land through the portal complete nuclear annihilation becomes less of a problem. Even in the real world it's really hard to tell what would happen if a portal like this appeared. It'd completely disrupt the status quo that we have right now.

Even if they don't go to war Japan will not like its new position with every world power trying to exert influence over them.

I really don't see China/Russia/USA turning Earth into a nuclear wasteland or even going to full out war for just the chance to claim some land beyond a portal. For all we know the portal might be unstable, the parallel world might be unsuitable for mass human settlement due to the lack of natural resources, or some other reason. It would certainly change the status quo though like you said, with Japan being in the middle of it all. It could be bad for Japan but then again it could also give them leverage, since they have access to something can't be found anywhere else on earth.

[D-Joe]

Originally Posted by Dark Faith

I think the biggest issue with an actual invasion are the other governments on Earth. If the JSDF started moving in large numbers, other powers in the area (and the US, I suppose) would want to know why.

Still, the JSDF would do well to keep a healthy fear of magic, but if it came to full scale war, how many actual magicians does Eldant have, how many would keep casting under fire...and for how long could they sustain it (if we think in terms of endurance/mana/spells per day) ?
On the other hand, any JSDF grunt could probably kill a good dozen infantry with just a clip

Every single elves and almost all soldiers

"On the other hand, any JSDF grunt could probably kill a good dozen infantry with just a clip"

Spoiler for Well...from LN:

A simple magic wall can 100% defend all bullets

Just remember,this is not GATE,the system nothing like GATE,don't let this LN/manga effect you(i think that's the reason of "why some people think Japan can beat Eldant easily in this series"),it's more closer to Index series(for the power level of magic vs tech),even whole earth come to fight in magic world,still doesn't mean they can win

Spoiler for Even Petrarca:

Isn't a stupid empress unlike GATE's most royal family

The last episode should be adaptation last chapter of LN vol.2,and should be enough to include everything from the chapter

[D-Joe]

Spoiler for Episode 12(END):

Too bad the assassinate scene is butchered compared to LN
But i guess because Myucel didn't do something important in assassinate scene lol?so butchered it and made some anime original part til near the end,but still skipped lots of words from LN(i think it's pretty important,without that it just some average alternate world anime)

Still,the anime is alright since it also did a good job in many parts,8/10

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 12 (End):

The final episode was good but it could have included additional material naturally present in most anime's finales, such as the aftermath of what's going on and the lack of a theme song to go along with the last few minutes. Besides that, it was pretty fine. There's a major incident going on Eldrant but it was resolved in the most easy way possible, even Petrarca controlled a parrot to order Shinichi doing something, it was nice.
As for my opinion concerning the show overall, it really started strong and gets better later on but somewhat subtle to an extent. It's nothing much of a masterpiece, but the humor, the drama and the fanservice are accented in a right dose and the characters are normal, not too irrelevant but also not too focused enough. The transition of the story is a bit abnormal but the storytelling is almost perfect even though it could have focused more on the action/drama part than it did for lighthearted escapades. I also like the music and the theme songs, there's some parts that felt unique and others doesn't, so the show itself is basically one of the autumn's spotlights that surprised me at first sight and pretty much stays that way overall.

[GDB]

Well, that sure escalated quickly.

[ApathyEcstasy]

lol at the reference to Shinzo Abe towards the end. The comment about the "war-minded prime minister" lol.

[Esclair]

This was a really surprising series coming into this season. All the episodes were consistently funny and the underlying themes were pretty well developed culminating in a really satisfying ending that still opens up for future development.

[VTHokiePride]

For a second I thought he was going to confess to Miusel, which I would've been completely alright with because she's so adorable.

Originally Posted by Esclair

This was a really surprising series coming into this season. All the episodes were consistently funny and the underlying themes were pretty well developed culminating in a really satisfying ending that still opens up for future development.

I agree. I wasn't sure what to think, but each episode was consistently good. I hope they make another season.

[DmonHiro]

Uhm, no Japan couldn't use nuclear weapons, or much of anything really, since there is only ONE way into Eldant. Once the portal was found, it would be game over for Japan if they were trying to invade. They run right into enemy fire the second they came out of the portal.

[Aesthetic Shampoo]

I'd be incredulous if Eldant didn't already know where the portal was. They're not that dumb enough to not find out.

[Breimoon]

as expected magic side is really strong. ANd more half-elf maids!! I'm quite happy aniway can someone explain difference with LN in this part?

[D-Joe]

Originally Posted by Aesthetic Shampoo

I'd be incredulous if Eldant didn't already know where the portal was. They're not that dumb enough to not find out.

Well the first episode already shows they know where is the portal,i think anime showed that

[Myssa Rei]

Yep, Eldant knows where the portal is. And UNLIKE Gate, the JSSDF hasn't set up camp around it.

[DmonHiro]

And don't forget the battle during the football game. It might have been for comedy, the destruction was real. That's what CHILDREN can do. They weren't trained soldiers or anything.

[Breimoon]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

they could use black magic (the ones with sacrifices) if there is any or just summon some spirit/god . If there is any , space manipulation to block the portal. Without counting that what we see are just kids and they are arleady pretty strong(a 10 years old dwarf throwing boulders capable of destroyng tanks/about 10 years old elves capable of making localized hurricanes with magic). So if they made a mass ritual i think they could probably do something against japan.

And don't forget the battle during the football game. It might have been for comedy, the destruction was real. That's what CHILDREN can do. They weren't trained soldiers or anything.

nope not gonna forget it. And we know that at least elves and dragonids are trained since youngsters in the military.