2006-08-05, 06:37 | Link #121 |
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The problem with Destinys ranged abilities is - they suck bigtime. Shinn could fire his rifle and canon all day long and that wouldnt do jack to Athrun even if he would be half asleep. Remember, they can dodge dragoons fireing from 8+directions at the same time, one or two beams from same spot is laughable. Athrun could either dodge them or simply activate his beam shield and go ZZZzzzZZZ. Or he could fire back with his fortis canons and rifle - as stated by M_Flores, IJ actually has more ranged weapons than Destiny.
So IJ > Destiny at range IJ >>>>>>> Destiny in melee But the melee is the only option how to beat IJ, tho Shinn might try to shoot it down and hope Athrun chokes from laughter and dies, seing that someone is trying to kill him with one beam rifle.
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2006-08-05, 06:39 | Link #122 | |
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<--- didn't know that. Thanks. I always imagined Destiny slicing a grunt up, then using the palm cannon as a finisher like Trunks did Freeza |
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2006-08-05, 06:39 | Link #123 | ||
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If DESTINY's speed totally drains it's nuclear energy it must be considerably faster than SF and IJ who are shown to have no trouble keeping up with it in Final Plus (however there is no drainage for them)...WOL is suppose to make it so much faster but we only see maybe 1 scene in ep 42 inwhich it outclasses SF...So basically the speed is suppose to be what makes it superior...All you need is a beam-saber if your fast enuff to engage...that'll still kill people...but DESTINY is a big waste of chedder if it's superior speed isn't it's deadly advantage (I mean so much of it's core-power is devoted to it)...Again it's suppose to be much faster than IJ and SF which it isn't really shown being...So WTF? There's a saying that goes, "Speed kills..." Quote:
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2006-08-05, 06:52 | Link #124 | |
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However, even with Destiny's speed, I still believe it still faces lack of weaponry against say, ∞J. There's basically nothing Destiny could do against ∞J even with the best pilot. Boomerangs can be countered, cannon can be dodged/blocked, sword can be easily destroyed, plus the fact that Destiny is vaguely able to use all its weaponry at once is a pretty significant flaw. Battles can be won with speed only to a certain extent. Number of weapons can also factor the battle only to a certain extent. But Destiny's best weapons are not handsfree. Any skilled pilot can block a big red beam shot plus ASS slash, but its hard to counter a dual beam saber coming at you, a leg saber or two coming to kick at you, another huge beam sword coming at you while a hook shoots out to reel you in, while a back pack is about to ram you and slice you, while shooting at you - and this can all happen at the same time because they're handsfree. In this case, ∞J's weapon load out was more of a factor than Destiny's superior speed. That's why I'm saying, if Destiny had the real wings of light (which I'd say is much faster than the ripped off version it has), may be a match for ∞J's blade-filled chassis. As for Legend, it has many handsfree weapons, but they're basically all the same. It can use all it's weapons at once, however, it lacks the variety of Destiny. |
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2006-08-05, 07:03 | Link #126 |
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@M_Flores - Think about when FREEEDOM does it's little twirl-move to kill grunts with only a beam-saber...DESTINY is suppose to have that type of speed difference on IJ and SF...But we never see it...DESTINY is an awesome suit..It's ASS-SWORD is brilliant if you think about it (What couldn't it slice to threads weilding it at that speed?) But it is inherently flawed when pitted against two suits that come out of the technological woodworx and immediatley outclasses it, yet can't outclass it's speed (It's deadliest feature inwhich more than half of it's energy is devoted)...So I guess the answer lies in Shinn just being so much $hitier of a pilot, but I think you know my feelings to some extent on that concession...
With all it's lack of weaponry and lack of range engagement and even lack of melee dominace vs. IJ,...Do you think Kira would be as limited if he fought with it against the same suits? I imagine DESTINY would have an even cooler twirl-move...
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2006-08-05, 07:14 | Link #129 | |
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2006-08-05, 07:15 | Link #130 | |
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I think after this train of discussions between Destiny, IJ and SF, we can safely say that Legend is a suit that was doomed from the start.
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2006-08-05, 07:22 | Link #131 | |
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2006-08-05, 11:12 | Link #135 |
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@wingdarkness- Dog, I totally agree with you. Destiny's speed in ep 42 was shown to be ridiculous.......to the point where Kira and S. Freedom just couldn't keep up. And like you, it bothers me that Shin no longer uses any battle tactics when fighting Kira.....heck common sense for that matter (I mean, knowing S. Freedom has that chest beam cannon, I'd have to be extremely careful in how I approach it, especially if when my sole chance of taking it out is at close-range).
Hmm........about Legend......I don't know if I'd necessarily say it's underated. The way I see it, Legend imitates all bit/DRAGOON MS from the past...........and anyone who has any knowledge of bit/DRAGOON MS knows how powerful they are. So, there's not too much intrigue in talking about an MS that you already know is powerful. But MS with discrepancies, like Destiny, lol, are fun to talk about. |
2006-08-05, 11:16 | Link #136 | |
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If Legend was to exist in the UC universe, it would become a top tier MS. And if its controlled by a newtype, it would almost become overpowered.
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2006-08-05, 21:51 | Link #138 | |
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I'd like to discuss on the speed factor again.
Yes, speed is one thing, but there are two sides of the coin. The other side of this coin being battle power/weapons/whatever you wanna call it. I'm betting pretty much that Legend is the slowest, bulkiest outta the four suits. No matter what, Legend will always have this disadvantage. That's why I'm wondering why Legend only has 10 dragoons. Seriously, if it had more dragoons at the same places Prov had them, it could probably be up there with the other three suits, despite being slower. Seriously, Legend has NO advantage over any of the three. Destiny's more than fast enough to manuever past the Dragoons, and the only thing Legend has for melee are the two sabers. Strike Freedom, well even without the BS speech Kira gave, it could still multiple lock-on to all the Dragoons and shot them down (SF has 13 guns, to take down 10 Dragoons). Legend Vs ∞ Justice, a bit of a grey area here I'd say, but since we considered Legend being the slowest of the four, it would have minor to little problems dodging the Dragoons. However, a Legend Vs ∞ Justice fight would've been interesting. Quote:
Justice can just sit there and block the cannon, counter the boomerangs, block the ASS, and everything else Destiny tries, despite how much faster it is, while (although we're not really sure how advanced the backpack is, we're just meant to assume it's remote controlled - if the backpack is really as advanced as we'd like, I'd assume it can be autopiloted, whatever, etc.) the backpack chases Destiny (although we assume Destiny is fast enough to avoid this) to distract, and lure Destiny into a close combat fight, falling for Justice's trap. Destiny can be as fast as it likes to be, but a backpack chasing (AND shooting at, btw) you, while trying to maim an MS that can block and counter everything you throw at it, its still a slim chance for victory. |
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2006-08-05, 22:11 | Link #139 |
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Comparing the destiny to the IJ is just unfair. It's like coparing a Leo to the Wing Gundam. The IJ is so mutch better then the Destiny. It has better ranged weapons and way more melee weapons.
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2006-08-05, 22:22 | Link #140 |
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@grandmaster : - Bull. I don't even want to start on why.
You know, have any of you ever considered that a faster speed in Destiny compared to S.Freedom isn't any problem for Kira? I don't know about you guys, but GSD Kira gives me the impression that he has the most l33t reaction time compared to...everyone. Sure, he lost to Shinn once, but he actually did manage to react to almost every offensive manuever he used even if the shield got pierced. Be it from drawing a sword to strike Savior or the side-walk kick to Destiny Fingaa, he feels like he's a living embodiment of Char's Zaku, 3 times as fast. And Athrun vs Shinn.....Athrun plays mind games. |
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